Illegal arrest?

Having not seen and heard the entire event from beginning to end, which means those events leading up to the nurse being involved and the final injury to the nurse .... then I think it is inappropriate to offer an opinion as to who would or would not be arrested, not to mention being unfamiliar with the criminal statutes and criminal procedural statutes in the state where the incident occurred.

Martin-Zimmerman is a good example of why not to rush to judgment.

The underlying flaw in this whole "discussion" is the failure to mention that a "blood test" is not required to prove someone is "intoxicated" ... at least in the States of which I am familiar ... and I think that is fairly uniform in the "Model Penal Code" states. It's not in Texas, I know. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Why such a rush to get a blood sample from the victim?

Yeah that's nonsense.

Having not seen and heard the entire event from beginning to end, which means those events leading up to the nurse being involved and the final injury to the nurse .... then I think it is inappropriate to offer an opinion Originally Posted by LexusLover

Police arrest people for assault after the fact all the time without ever seeing the actual assault. In this case they were there and saw plenty.

What justification was there for any use of force?

What crime did the nurse commit to get arrested?

In the video the officer says that he has no warrant and furthermore he had no probable cause to obtain one.

The officer was attempting to violate the patients constitutional rights. He thought his gun and badge gave him the end all be all of authority. He had no authority here and chose to act as if he did.

He used force unjustly and should face the consequences like anyone else.

I'm a fan of the police. Love em, even. They have insanely hard jobs.

Guys like that make it harder for police and tarnishes their image.


Defending his actions does the same.

Wrong is wrong. It easy to see.

So? "More" is not "all"! Originally Posted by LexusLover

How much more can you possibly need? Law Enforcement fucked up in this case.


Jim

And the fact he's still a cop is dumbfounding as hell..

How much more can you possibly need? Law Enforcement fucked up in this case.


Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

You obviously don't need anything else, but it could be a "conspiracy" ... .you know ... "a fabricated video."

Law Enforcement fucked up ...

That's a rather "broad brush" don't you think? Or do you "think"?

The officer was attempting to violate the patients constitutional rights. Originally Posted by grean

Are you attempting to justify the nurse's actions?

I'm not justifying anyone's actions or inactions, I simply was asked a question that I believe I should not answer without complete information and/or satisfaction that complete information has been provided. That's not "defending" or "excusing" anyone. I just believe it's prudent regardless of the occupation of anyone involved.

Note: After reading it, the Mayor's letter seems to parallel what I just said ....

The hand-wringing over the Zimmerman-Martin matter is exactly on point ... and a good example, IMO, because no LE was involved.

Just as an aside: Where is the blood work done by the hospital in anticipation of treating the unconscious patient, who was unable to give "consent" to the hospital staff to draw his blood for their lab work? The medical professionals have to check his "substance" levels before they can medicate him or perform surgery.

Pics? Originally Posted by TryWeakly

Yep.

You obviously don't need anything else, but it could be a "conspiracy" ... .you know ... "a fabricated video."



That's a rather "broad brush" don't you think? Or do you "think"? Originally Posted by LexusLover

Sure, it could be fabricated. Regardless it's showing cops doing their job poorly.


Jim

I support LE but this was BS! They ain't perfect, they need to make a correction in the future.

I support LE but this was BS! They ain't perfect, they need to make a correction in the future.

] Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

Yea they still took her downtown after the Supervisor said the arrest wound probably not stick and he told the hospital supervisors that they would bring all the transients to this hospital and the better off financially to other hospitals.

I'm sure LL needs to wait and see more though....

Look, I'm all for a full investigation but unless something else comes out this Supervisor did not know the law, had his officer arrest her, admitted it would not stick and threatened the hospital with the Cops bringing bad customers to this hospital.

What say you LL?

Yea they still took her downtown after the Supervisor said the arrest wound probably not stick and he told the hospital supervisors that they would bring all the transients to this hospital and the better off financially to other hospitals.

I'm sure LL needs to wait and see more though....

Look, I'm all for a full investigation but unless something else comes out this Supervisor did not know the law, had his officer arrest her, admitted it would not stick and threatened the hospital with the Cops bringing bad customers to this hospital.

What say you LL? Originally Posted by WTF

I am very pro Law Enforcement, always have, always will be. My profession brought me in contact with many Law Enforcement Officers. I hate to say it but as the years went by I noticed that more and more of them have absolutely no people skills what so ever. They may know the law, they may understand procedures. Their biggest downfall is they just don't deal with people all that well, especially the young ones. I simply cannot defend this type of behavior, by the same token it also infuriates me to see the general public pushing their luck with the Police. Law Enforcement fumbled the ball in this case though.

Jim

I am very pro Law Enforcement, always have, always will be. My profession brought me in contact with many Law Enforcement Officers. I hate to say it but as the years went by I noticed that more and more of them have absolutely no people skills what so ever. They may know the law, they may understand procedures. Their biggest downfall is they just don't deal with people all that well, especially the young ones. I simply cannot defend this type of behavior, by the same token it also infuriates me to see the general public pushing their luck with the Police. Law Enforcement fumbled the ball in this case though.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

From what I've seen so far, I agree.

Just as an aside: Where is the blood work done by the hospital in anticipation of treating the unconscious patient, who was unable to give "consent" to the hospital staff to draw his blood for their lab work? The medical professionals have to check his "substance" levels before they can medicate him or perform surgery. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Your rabbit trailing. It makes a brilliant point however. It shows the entire situation could been avoided.


The hospital probably did draw blood for the things you mentioned. If, later, probable cause was established, a court order could get those records.

Implied consent is assumed by the hospital when some one is unconscious absent a DNR, or other directive from patient prior to losing consciousness.

Cop had your IQ. Other cop was smarter and covered his ass. Originally Posted by bamscram

Your words wound me deep, sir.

Lol