No all they did by removing the mandate was remove the mandate, everything else about the ACA is alive and well and will continue, however removing the mandate will cause premiums to increase and republicans will be at fault, they will have to stabilize the marketplace or be voted out of office. Originally Posted by StandinStraight
No all they did by removing the mandate was remove the mandate, everything else about the ACA is alive and well and will continue, however removing the mandate will cause premiums to increase and republicans will be at fault, they will have to stabilize the marketplace or be voted out of office. Originally Posted by StandinStraightNo Bugs Bunny, Trumps earlier EO cancelled the subsidies paid to HC insurers. Now the individual mandate is gone. That’s the double whammy of death to Obamacare Bugs Bunny.
To ME, that seems to be discriminatory, as single folks get the shaft..Originally Posted by flghtr65
To help people in the individual market pay for this increase in premium the ACA law provides a subsidy to the middle class.
A family of 6 that makes less than $122,000
A family of 4 that makes less than $94,000
A family of 2 that makes less than $64,000
are eligible for a subsidy to help pay the increase in premium.
A single person that makes less than $47,500 is eligible for a subsidy as well.
https://www.thebalance.com/obamacare-subsidies-3306073 Originally Posted by flghtr65
Flighty started a thread about what to expect from the ACA in 2018. I said I expected it to be gone. With subsidies and the individual mandate gone. So too is the ACA. Originally Posted by bambinoThe individual mandate is gone. The subsidy that went directly to the health insurance companies to keep the price of the deductable and copay lower is gone (Trump removed with EO). The subsidy that goes directly to the policyholder to help pay the policy premium is still available. This subsidy was written into the law and cannot be removed by EO. It was not removed in the TAX reform bill, just the individual mandate. So, people shopping for health insurance at HealthCare.gov will still get a subsidy to help pay their policy premium based on their income.
To ME, that seems to be discriminatory, as single folks get the shaft.. Originally Posted by garhkalIf the cheapest policy premium in your zip code is greater than 8% of your income you qualify for the exemption and would not have to pay the tax/fine/penalty for being uninsured. Now with the individual mandate being gone for next year, you will not have to carry health insurance.
Where's the "social justice" for those who were paying their own way until Odumbocare made it too expensive for them, flighty? Originally Posted by I B HankeringWill make it simple for you. Before the ACA was passed EVERYONE enjoyed a lower premium at the expense of others. Those others being the people with pre-existing conditions who the health insurance companies would not sell health insurance to.
The individual mandate is gone. The subsidy that went directly to the health insurance companies to keep the price of the deductable and copay lower is gone (Trump removed with EO). The subsidy that goes directly to the policyholder to help pay the policy premium is still available. This subsidy was written into the law and cannot be removed by EO. It was not removed in the TAX reform bill, just the individual mandate. So, people shopping for health insurance at HealthCare.gov will still get a subsidy to help pay their policy premium based on their income. Originally Posted by flghtr65That’s correct so the ACA is still there and going nowhere. The only thing Trump managed to accomplish is to cause premiums to rise further, which he and the republicans will own at election time unless they stabilize the market.
So, all plumbers and general contractors who are self employed and have pre-existing conditions should stop being self employed. They should go find a company that offers its employees health insurance and work for them?
Oh, if you want "pre-existing conditions" covered ..
.... go get a job with group health insurance. Originally Posted by LexusLover
Will make it simple for you. Before the ACA was passed EVERYONE enjoyed a lower premium at the expense of others. Those others being the people with pre-existing conditions who the health insurance companies would not sell health insurance to.
Now that the health insurance companies can not weed out people with pre-existing conditions everyone is paying what the true premium would have been.
A balanced risk pool = cheaper premiums for all.
A risk pool that is unbalanced = higher premiums for all.
The only way for a risk pool to be balanced is some low risk people have to be in it! Originally Posted by flghtr65
If you can answer this question, you will answer your own question.
Your disingenuous lib-retard ass is avoiding the question, flighty. Where's the "social justice" for those who were paying their own way until Odumbocare made it too expensive for them, flighty?
Originally Posted by I B Hankering
If you can answer this question, you will answer your own question.The government didn't cause those individuals their misfortune, flighty; whereas, an act of government denied "social justice" to those who were paying their own way until Odumbocare made it too expensive for them, flighty. Where's the "social justice" for those who were paying their own way until Odumbocare made it too expensive for them, flighty?
Where was the "social justice" for the people who had pre-existing conditions and would not be sold a health insurance policy in the individual market, prior to the ACA law being passed? Originally Posted by flghtr65
The government didn't cause those individuals their misfortune, flighty; whereas, an act of government denied "social justice" to those who were paying their own way until Odumbocare made it too expensive for them, flighty. Where's the "social justice" for those who were paying their own way until Odumbocare made it too expensive for them, flighty? Originally Posted by I B HankeringOh, I read you now. If you have a pre-existing condition then too bad for you. Right? LOL. How about let's make the health insurance system work for everyone, people who get health insurance from their employer and people who get health insurance from the individual market.
Oh, I read you now. If you have a pre-existing condition then too bad for you. Right? LOL. How about let's make the health insurance system work for everyone, people who get health insurance from their employer and people who get health insurance from the individual market. Originally Posted by flghtr65It's a superior concept to your lib-retard notion that others must be forced by the government to suffer for something they have no responsibility for, flighty. Where's the "social justice" for those who were paying their own way until Odumbocare made it too expensive for them, flighty?
It's a superior concept to your lib-retard notion that others must be forced by the government to suffer for something they have no responsibility for, flighty. Where's the "social justice" for those who were paying their own way until Odumbocare made it too expensive for them, flighty? Originally Posted by I B HankeringYou don't want the health insurance system to work for everyone, just those who don't have a pre-existing condition. So, if the health insurance company weeds out someone with a pre-existing condition that is okay as long as you benefit from it( with a lower premium that you can afford to pay on your own). The point that I tried to make a couple of posts ago is that the people who could pay their premium on their own was because the health insurance companies discriminated against people with pre-existing conditions and kept them out of the risk pool.