Indy’s dead for good?


I thought we "flocked" to Indys because we all got together every week at Roland's anyway and thought it would be cool to have our own site. Originally Posted by blkstocking
I loved Roland's

I was led to Indy's believe it or not by one of my "legal clients" the day we crossed the legal line.
Yes, I was an erotic maid which is totally legal if no touching is involved.
I digress, he recommended it as a "safe" place to meet more gentlemen to date. I literally was green within 3 hrs of joining because someone recognized the 1 picture I put up.
I NEVER thought green meant go.

A LOT of fellows had an issue with that. In retrospect it was a very good practice.
Well, when Summertime, Exotic Memories, Elite Tanning and the place by the Airport were going strong. So was Indy’s. Most of the young hotties worked at those places. Most didn’t want to be prostitutes, just a way to make quick cash. I utilized those places more than Indy’s at the time. It was easy and convenient. I did triple headers at Summertime. I was out of control then. But there was variety in a drive thru style convenience. That’s why I don’t think SA hurt Indy’s. Originally Posted by bambino
SA and all "stationary" establishments run by "madames" and pimps are two different types of hobby-markets......

PGH hobbyists were lucky (lucky) that Summertime lasted as long as it did. I think it is Unimaginable that an establishment like Summertime would survive in the current FOSTA world. Just too many charges that a "madame" or pimp could acquire from LE, namely "conspiracy" and FOSTA's favorite charge "human trafficking." No establishment like Summertime existed in PGH for years before FOSTA. Follow the news and there are always madame's and pimps getting busted for running girls out of their houses, and dumbly advertising on public "street" hooker boards. And a smaller operation like Shabir's (he ran a tight ship like General Musharraf) could not make it in PGH now.....

Sure, AMP's still exist and come and go, and some actually survive for a while. I think they can survive longer with the whole "massage" front. Plus LE might have changing and varied interest in those places. But a place like Summertime would attract LE quick and it would be too tempting for LE to ignore....

Yes, many (too many) SA girls, particularly newbies, have a "I am not a prostitute!" attitude, even the ones who bang for cash. LE may or may not go after SA girls. The smart one's can get out of charges on that site as long as they are discreet in their profiles and in their PM's and texts. Plus there are so many Clueless, Perplexed Newbies on SA that LE might not even want to deal with them. So LE cruises the "public" sites and busts girls the easy way.....

I wish there was a "short notice", always open "establishment" like Summertime in PGH. I don't think one can survive in the current FOSTA environment. There was not a relevant place like Summertime for years before FOSTA.....

Very positively there are girls on SA who have in their profiles "Contact me only if you want to meet today, not next week!" Those are presumably the Pro Ho's. Lot's of "short notice" girls on SA. Several times I have intro-PMed with an SA girl and I just ask her "Free in 3 hours?" and then within 4 hours I am at a hotel getting-busy with her. That is Positive....Forward.....Moment um. And then there are the SA girls who want to do "meet and greets" to check out the guys, and especially guys like me who refuse (REFUSE) to send Face pics. There are Pro Ho's on SA as well as Clueless Newbies and a Whole Lot of Picky Princesse's.....

I think SA effected the PGH hobby-scene because many veteran, consistent hobbyists started getting their action on SA and stopped seeing Indys and Eccie and "established" providers. And a whole lot of newbie girls start on SA and not on Indys and Eccie. Yes, the whole "I am not a prostitute!" and "Looking for my Christian Grey!" vibe appeals to many civilian-girls. Many civilian girls are generally-interested in the concept of PFP. They might get-into-it and not like it. And many SA girls start it and love the quick cash......

Tolstoy: Still All About "Mentorship" & "Companionship" With SA Girls......
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SA and all "stationary" establishments run by "madames" and pimps are two different types of hobby-markets......

PGH hobbyists were lucky (lucky) that Summertime lasted as long as it did. I think it is Unimaginable that an establishment like Summertime would survive in the current FOSTA world. Just too many charges that a "madame" or pimp could acquire from LE, namely "conspiracy" and FOSTA's favorite charge "human trafficking." No establishment like Summertime existed in PGH for years before FOSTA. Follow the news and there are always madame's and pimps getting busted for running girls out of their houses, and dumbly advertising on public "street" hooker boards. And a smaller operation like Shabir's (he ran a tight ship like General Musharraf) could not make it in PGH now.....

Sure, AMP's still exist and come and go, and some actually survive for a while. I think they can survive longer with the whole "massage" front. Plus LE might have changing and varied interest in those places. But a place like Summertime would attract LE quick and it would be too tempting for LE to ignore....

Yes, many (too many) SA girls, particularly newbies, have a "I am not a prostitute!" attitude, even the ones who bang for cash. LE may or may not go after SA girls. The smart one's can get out of charges on that site as long as they are discreet in their profiles and in their PM's and texts. Plus there are so many Clueless, Perplexed Newbies on SA that LE might not even want to deal with them. So LE cruises the "public" sites and busts girls the easy way.....

I wish there was a "short notice", always open "establishment" like Summertime in PGH. I don't think one can survive in the current FOSTA environment. There was not a relevant place like Summertime for years before FOSTA.....

Very positively there are girls on SA who have in their profiles "Contact me only if you want to meet today, not next week!" Those are presumably the Pro Ho's. Lot's of "short notice" girls on SA. Several times I have intro-PMed with an SA girl and I just ask her "Free in 3 hours?" and then within 4 hours I am at a hotel getting-busy with her. That is Positive....Forward.....Moment um. And then there are the SA girls who want to do "meet and greets" to check out the guys, and especially guys like me who refuse (REFUSE) to send Face pics. There are Pro Ho's on SA as well as Clueless Newbies and a Whole Lot of Picky Princesse's.....

I think SA effected the PGH hobby-scene because many veteran, consistent hobbyists started getting their action on SA and stopped seeing Indys and Eccie and "established" providers. And a whole lot of newbie girls start on SA and not on Indys and Eccie. Yes, the whole "I am not a prostitute!" and "Looking for my Christian Grey!" vibe appeals to many civilian-girls. Many civilian girls are generally-interested in the concept of PFP. They might get-into-it and not like it. And many SA girls start it and love the quick cash......

Tolstoy: Still All About "Mentorship" & "Companionship" With SA Girls...... Originally Posted by tolstoy
You’re wrong again. Elite Tanning is still in business, as is the All American and Posh. Or whatever they’re called. Kyoto is still going strong. Summertime morphed into several different locations under different ownership. The last location was in Carrick. Most of the hotties were there. The owner past away and the business closed. The owner of Summertime didn’t close it because of the business, but tax evasion and he was caught with “forbidden topic” porn. His family owned a popular business in Oakland. It was a black eye for them.
You’re wrong again. Elite Tanning is still in business, as is the All American and Posh. Or whatever they’re called. Kyoto is still going strong. Summertime morphed into several different locations under different ownership. The last location was in Carrick. Most of the hotties were there. The owner past away and the business closed. The owner of Summertime didn’t close it because of the business, but tax evasion and he was caught with “forbidden topic” porn. His family owned a popular business in Oakland. It was a black eye for them. Originally Posted by bambino
When did Summertime close-up-shop? It has been years (Years) since any full-service "madame" and pimp type establishment has existed in PGH. And whether they closed because of tax evasion or weird-porn, they still closed. Sounds like they got busted.....

The AMPs' can survive because they have the whole "massage" front. Any establishment like Summertime won't last long in the current FOSTA world. They had trouble existing in PGH for years Before FOSTA. Even Shabir closed-up-shop. And Joe in Shady Side made-a-go-of-it for years and even he had to end it.....

Really- do any "establishments" still exist in PGH besides the "massage" fronts? Obviously guys should not name them in this thread, but I don't think a place like Summertime can exist in the current FOSTA environment. And it was years before FOSTA that they were a real player.....
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When did Summertime close-up-shop? It has been years (Years) since any full-service "madame" and pimp type establishment has existed in PGH. And whether they closed because of tax evasion or weird-porn, they still closed. Sounds like they got busted.....

The AMPs' can survive because they have the whole "massage" front. Any establishment like Summertime won't last long in the current FOSTA world. They had trouble existing in PGH for years Before FOSTA. Even Shabir closed-up-shop. And Joe in Shady Side made-a-go-of-it for years and even he had to end it.....

Really- do any "establishments" still exist in PGH besides the "massage" fronts? Obviously guys should not name them in this thread, but I don't think a place like Summertime can exist in the current FOSTA environment. And it was years before FOSTA that they were a real player..... Originally Posted by tolstoy
Summertime really wasn’t a FS joint. If you developed good relationships with the girls they might bring you down stairs. But Max had cameras everywhere. I would see most of them off site. Exoctic Memories did allow FS. EM Sam and Gia we’re certainly two of the hottest girls in the burg. As far as when Max sold Summertime, I’m not sure. One of the girls took it over and renamed it Kinetics with some exercise equip instead of tanning beds. That didn’t last long, it moved to Southside and a guy named Doug took it over. By that time, the girls got into other activities. Things went south after that.
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While you more experienced mongers are all paying attention. What was the place on the second floor in Market Square? That was my real start here in Pittsburgh. I used to see a Lindsey. Every once in a while another girl would join us. Lindsey would meet me outside of there. Great girl & great times.
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While you more experienced mongers are all paying attention. What was the place on the second floor in Market Square? That was my real start here in Pittsburgh. I used to see a Lindsey. Every once in a while another girl would join us. Lindsey would meet me outside of there. Great girl & great times. Originally Posted by FireFly2003
I forget the name. I saw Mandy there before she became Famous..There was that Pakistani guy who used to move around. His name escapes me. His places were complete dumps but he did have some talent. And of course, who can forget Danes 4U? What a douche bag that guy was.
I forget the name. I saw Mandy there before she became Famous..There was that Pakistani guy who used to move around. His name escapes me. His places were complete dumps but he did have some talent. And of course, who can forget Danes 4U? What a douche bag that guy was. Originally Posted by bambino
Shabir was the Pakistani guy. He ran-a-tight-ship like General Musharraf. Smaller operation but he was around for a while circa 2005/2006.....
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Shabir was the Pakistani guy. He ran-a-tight-ship like General Musharraf. Smaller operation but he was around for a while circa 2005/2006..... Originally Posted by tolstoy
Yeah, he was a creepy fucker. I think that’s where Mallory started.
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I never did business with Shabbir or visited Summertime (wish I did though), but did frequent D4U quite a bit. It was obvious Joe was asshole, but he did have a bevy of hotties working for him. I probably saw about 15 girls through him. He had some young asian hotties as well as many 18-25 year olds. The girls were too young and inexperienced to go off by themselves and he acted as "pimp" for them. 2 asian girls I saw through him are in my top 5 ever. Just amazing. Basic rule was to put up with his shit just to see the girls. The location was perfect for me. Ah well, we move on. I enjoyed his girls but he was a prick.
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Yeah, he was a creepy fucker. I think that’s where Mallory started. Originally Posted by bambino
And Nyci and a few others. Miss that shop.

Joe was definitely not cool. But, he found some serious talent. And since his name has been mentioned 3 times.....
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I never did business with Shabbir or visited Summertime (wish I did though), but did frequent D4U quite a bit. It was obvious Joe was asshole, but he did have a bevy of hotties working for him. I probably saw about 15 girls through him. He had some young asian hotties as well as many 18-25 year olds. The girls were too young and inexperienced to go off by themselves and he acted as "pimp" for them. 2 asian girls I saw through him are in my top 5 ever. Just amazing. Basic rule was to put up with his shit just to see the girls. The location was perfect for me. Ah well, we move on. I enjoyed his girls but he was a prick. Originally Posted by Hematoma
Karissa is still the hottest Ho I’ve ever been with. Including Porn stars. I’ll never know how she ended up working with him. Baffling.
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Gauge was pretty hot.
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Yeah, he was a creepy fucker. I think that’s where Mallory started. Originally Posted by bambino
Mallory got her start at Joe's hovel. She perfectly fit the young and hot profile back then. The hottest Joe ho I saw there was Hot Holly. He had another particularly hot provider named Chloe that transitioned to Indys in a big way. Left the biz for a long time, but came back into the fold about a year ago and I think she's still active. I was already done with his bullshit when Karissa came along. Burned that bridge, so I missed out. Oh well.
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but you do remember sabina.... she was smokin hot at joes. chloe was too but not quite the spinner... tho she had a bit more class...even to this day