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Can’t believe the stupidity. Get the shot and maybe help stop the next mutation. New stricter CDC bs is garbage but use your brains people. Talk to experts. Your buddy isn’t an expert. Originally Posted by Charley3

I just read your post again. “Get the shot and maybe help stop the next mutation”. Most people would take that as telling them what to do. Now here’s some facts, ask your doctor;

People are dying from the vaccine.

People are having severe side effects from the vaccine.

Fully vaccinated people are transmitting and contracting COVID.

Now, it’s not “stupid” to decline a vaccine that’s not approved as a vaccine and is labeled as “experimental” by the FDA.

You should take a break from the internet. You get angry when someone shoots down your opinion.

Oeb11 -I am not a immunologist ( stayed at holiday inn once LOL ) Quote From Dr Baylock ( research doctor ) who sorry I believe more then the LSM or for that matter the cdc and big pharma ,," "these Vaccines are not really vaccines --they are biological agents that act in a new and virtually untested way, injecting a lipid-encased artificial molecule"
So Fact Experimental In type , which is my issue , even puddens and chief stated that problem during the campaign

Can’t believe the stupidity. Get the shot and maybe help stop the next mutation. New stricter CDC bs is garbage but use your brains people. Talk to experts. Your buddy isn’t an expert. Originally Posted by Charley3

referring to others as 'Stupid" wins no friends and influences no opinions.
reminds me of another poster whose submissions always start - 'you stupid'............


One thing i can support - Consult your [physician with your questions - read the CDC - for what it is worth - and make your own Informed Decision on managing Your health Care.

Do Not let the maoist DPSTs force mandates upon You.

DPST government - is a Do it Our way , Obey or die - One size fits all - Control of america by Mandate totalitarianism.

Oeb11 -I am not a immunologist ( stayed at holiday inn once LOL ) Quote From Dr Baylock ( research doctor ) who sorry I believe more then the LSM or for that matter the cdc and big pharma ,," "these Vaccines are not really vaccines --they are biological agents that act in a new and virtually untested way, injecting a lipid-encased artificial molecule"
So Fact Experimental In type , which is my issue , even puddens and chief stated that problem during the campaign Originally Posted by rexdutchman

RD - no need to apologize for your opinion.
I would like to read your reference to Dr Blaylock.

Please post the reference- Thank you, Good Sir!

I just read your post again. “Get the shot and maybe help stop the next mutation”. Most people would take that as telling them what to do. Now here’s some facts, ask your doctor;

People are dying from the vaccine.

People are having severe side effects from the vaccine.

Fully vaccinated people are transmitting and contracting COVID.

Now, it’s not “stupid” to decline a vaccine that’s not approved as a vaccine and is labeled as “experimental” by the FDA.

You should take a break from the internet. You get angry when someone shoots down your opinion. Originally Posted by bambino

I'm not angry. And you didn't "shoot down" anything. It is however a total waste of time trying to offer a difference of opinion when you are involved....which you tend to do all over this site.

I'm gonna say this reeeeaaaalll slow. Polio still exists. Can you imagine if a vaccine wasn't developed for polio?! THINK!! The idea is to LOWER the numbers. NOTHING is fullproof.
Every EXPERT I've spoken to FACE TO FACE tells me the vaccine helps. Very, very, very very small percentages have severe reactions. There are small percentages of people that have adverse reactions to almost everything. But you keep doing internet searches with your friends while we get more mutations.

I'm not angry. And you didn't "shoot down" anything. It is however a total waste of time trying to offer a difference of opinion when you are involved....which you tend to do all over this site.

I'm gonna say this reeeeaaaalll slow. Polio still exists. Can you imagine if a vaccine wasn't developed for polio?! THINK!! The idea is to LOWER the numbers. NOTHING is fullproof.
Every EXPERT I've spoken to FACE TO FACE tells me the vaccine helps. Very, very, very very small percentages have severe reactions. There are small percentages of people that have adverse reactions to almost everything. But you keep doing internet searches with your friends while we get more mutations. Originally Posted by Charley3

Like Rex I have stayed at a Holiday inn ! So Im qualified!

Polio vaccine has been tested and had decades of use!
Whats the argument here? The wuhan vacs are all experimental and have had severe side effects and many deaths!

I'm not angry. And you didn't "shoot down" anything. It is however a total waste of time trying to offer a difference of opinion when you are involved....which you tend to do all over this site.

I'm gonna say this reeeeaaaalll slow. Polio still exists. Can you imagine if a vaccine wasn't developed for polio?! THINK!! The idea is to LOWER the numbers. NOTHING is fullproof.
Every EXPERT I've spoken to FACE TO FACE tells me the vaccine helps. Very, very, very very small percentages have severe reactions. There are small percentages of people that have adverse reactions to almost everything. But you keep doing internet searches with your friends while we get more mutations. Originally Posted by Charley3

Your facts are correct
backing them up with references would help - Fauci is an idiot - but CDC website still has good information to consider.

Polio could have been wiped out - as was smallpox - but islamic mullahs in Afghanistan and other muslim areas deemed polio vaccine a plot against Islam - so they still have it , o/W wiped out in most civilized parts of teh world


It would be 'nice ' to take a less confrontative and patronizing attitude towards others in your posts.

Fauci is an idiot Originally Posted by oeb11

Good job on your "less confrontative and patronizing attitude".

I certainly trust Fauci over you, or anyone else, who isn't medically trained.

Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.' Words that all of you intelligent people should heed. Only idiots need reply. Thanks.

I'm not angry. And you didn't "shoot down" anything. It is however a total waste of time trying to offer a difference of opinion when you are involved....which you tend to do all over this site.

I'm gonna say this reeeeaaaalll slow. Polio still exists. Can you imagine if a vaccine wasn't developed for polio?! THINK!! The idea is to LOWER the numbers. NOTHING is fullproof.
Every EXPERT I've spoken to FACE TO FACE tells me the vaccine helps. Very, very, very very small percentages have severe reactions. There are small percentages of people that have adverse reactions to almost everything. But you keep doing internet searches with your friends while we get more mutations. Originally Posted by Charley3

More people have died from the COVID vaccine than than all others combined in a 15 year span. So tells us, how many deaths are acceptable before you’re stupid for taking it?


https://undercurrents723949620.wordp...ovid-vaccines/

Go reeaaaal slow and explain it to us. And by all means, use all caps. It really makes your point. Or are you angry when you post in all caps?


BTW, vaccines have no effect on how viruses “mutate”. Viruses do that all on their own. Just like influenza.



https://www.breakthroughs.com/advanc...-means-vaccine

Ask your “experts” about that. “Face to face” of course. That sounds more believable.

I remember people saying "one death is too many."

I just read your post again. “Get the shot and maybe help stop the next mutation”. Most people would take that as telling them what to do. Now here’s some facts, ask your doctor;

People are dying from the vaccine.

People are having severe side effects from the vaccine.

Fully vaccinated people are transmitting and contracting COVID.

Now, it’s not “stupid” to decline a vaccine that’s not approved as a vaccine and is labeled as “experimental” by the FDA.

You should take a break from the internet. You get angry when someone shoots down your opinion. Originally Posted by bambino

Wrong. It has Emergency Use Authorization. As a vaccine.
Notice I added links to the CDC that show the approximate levels of risk.
That's right. Ask your doctor.
And if he tells you the vaccine is not safe, get a second opinion. Add if you get a different opinion from the 2nd doctor, get a third
The "experimental" label will be removed when full approval is granted.

"The FDA also emphasized that the current authorization -- an Emergency Use Authorization -- was conducted thoroughly, signaling that it stands on solid ground and should be fully approved.

"Although an authorization is not an FDA approval, the FDA conducted a thorough scientific evaluation of each of the authorized vaccines and can assure the public and medical community that the vaccines meet FDA's rigorous standards for safety, effectiveness and manufacturing quality," Hunt said."

"Full approval of a vaccine under priority review, as both Pfizer and Moderna are, usually takes six months. The FDA has said it intends to complete it much quicker than that, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to the White House, recently said he expected full approval for Pfizer in a month or so, by August, and Moderna to follow thereafter.

Pfizer submitted for full approval on May 7, almost three months ago, and Moderna on June 1, almost two months ago. So, the decision should not be too far off."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fda-...ry?id=79073622





3 confirmed deaths from blood clots (J & J) That number is from FDA after reviewing VAERS data.

"The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When these reports are received, doctors from CDC and FDA review death certificates, autopsies, and medical records to understand what happened with each person"

https://covid-101.org/science/how-ma...ne-in-the-u-s/

Severe side effects.

"For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 19, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 324 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.


CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After 12.8 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 100 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 12. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.


Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 19, 2021, VAERS has received 1,148 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 674 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.


Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.
Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Breakthrough cases. Some are expected and have occurred in very small numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html


The only opinion your "facts" shot down was yours.

More people have died from the COVID vaccine than than all others combined in a 15 year span. So tells us, how many deaths are acceptable before you’re stupid for taking it?


https://undercurrents723949620.wordp...ovid-vaccines/

Go reeaaaal slow and explain it to us. And by all means, use all caps. It really makes your point. Or are you angry when you post in all caps?


BTW, vaccines have no effect on how viruses “mutate”. Viruses do that all on their own. Just like influenza.



https://www.breakthroughs.com/advanc...-means-vaccine

Ask your “experts” about that. “Face to face” of course. That sounds more believable. Originally Posted by bambino

Your source tells how many entries there are in VAERS. Pre-investigation.
Anyone can enter info in that system. Each entry must be checked and verified.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Part of their disclaimer.

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

Your source tells how many entries there are in VAERS. Pre-investigation.
Anyone can enter info in that system. Each entry must be checked and verified.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Part of their disclaimer.

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind. Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

VAERS is co-managed by the FDA and CDC. Yes it is a passive recording system but provides important data for vaccine efficacy.


https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html


Are you disputing their data? What do your “experts” say?

VAERS is co-managed by the FDA and CDC. Yes it is a passive recording system but provides important data for vaccine efficacy.


https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html


Are you disputing their data? What do your “experts” say? Originally Posted by bambino

What do my "experts" say? Follow the links and read the excerpts I included. Pretty easy. I'd ask you what "your experts" say but you didn't show any that refuted me.

I'm not disputing their data. It is what it is.

I'm disputing your use of their data. I included part of their disclaimer (I even put it in bold print so you would see it You still missed it). It's very clear about using the data as entered by whoever. The data isn't used until it is verified

The data means nothing until the CDC and the FDA analyze and investigate each entry. 5000 (example) entries in the "deaths from the vaccine" column, entered by whoever, means nothing other than a claim to check.

If you would have checked my VAERS link you wouldn't have to ask who my "experts" are. It also would have told you how to use the data you didn't understand.