Don't forget that Trump is a convicted felon

Lol. I'm still trying to figure out what the "error" was. Cohen was trumpy's lawyer. He solicited non-disclosure agreements from Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. They agreed to sign and be bound by the NDAs in return for payments. Cohen drafted the NDAs, paid the negotiated amount to each woman, then turned around and billed the Trump Organization for reimbursement of "legal services".

Seems to me what Cohen did was accurately described. He performed legal services for the Trump Organization and was paid for them.

What am I missing?

Perhaps the OP can elucidate this. He keeps insisting nobody else knows anything about NY state law. Originally Posted by lustylad

You have elucidated the case correctly but came to a false conclusion. The payments made to cohen aren’t legal fees but rather reimbursed payments to the women who signed the NDA’s.

That’s hiding the truth about the payments and is illegal in NY.

Very true, but all of this could have easily been avoided if Trump just used his own damn money instead of trying to be slick and cheap and charging it to his business as attorney fees... that's kind of why I don't take this particular felony that seriously. Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

The reason he didn’t is that he’s a crook, he thinks like a crook. You may not take it seriously but it’s a mindset that is anathema to the person who I want to be president.

Not an error. A deliberate attempt to disguise payment for one thing as another. It’s a type of fraud, which is why NY has made it illegal.

They don’t want to make it easier for finance bros to hide their bad deeds. Since NY is the financial capital of the world strong laws like this one are required to keep people on the straight and narrow.

I know a lot of people want to give Trump a pass, but with all the exclamations of “Biden Crime Family”, I find it massively hypocritical that It’s okay when your guy does it so blatantly. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

nonsense. Bragg's case is full of holes. first, Bragg is a State level DA and can't bring federal charges yet he used a nonexistent "federal election violation" to both get around the statute of limitations and elevate a misdemeanor "record keeping" charge to a felony. both the FEC and DOJ investigated and neither determined there was any campaign finance violation.


in fact, experts would state and have that had Trump actually used campaign donations to pay that slut Daniels it would have been a campaign violation.

the judge was hand picked by Bragg, he wasn't in the rotation for cases from the judge pool. the judge also gave instructions to the jury that they didn't have to agree what crime was committed. at best this is highly dubious and at worst it's a violation of law and the constitution.


it's not about giving Trump a free pass it's about the obvious fact this was a purely political charge intended to prevent Trump from running in 2024 by Bragg.

Why is it that every time someone chimes in to support Trump nobody ever says that he didn’t do it.

He did it, he’s a felon, if he didn’t want to break the law he should have incorporated and lived somewhere where they don’t have the same kind of anti corruption and anti fraud laws.

Otherwise you’re pissing into the wind.

You have elucidated the case correctly but came to a false conclusion. The payments made to cohen aren’t legal fees but rather reimbursed payments to the women who signed the NDA’s.

That’s hiding the truth about the payments and is illegal in NY. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I would argue the payments fall under the rubric of legal services. Businesses seek NDAs all the time, e.g. to protect corporate trade secrets, competitive strategies, etc. when someone quits.

And so what if they're "reimbursed" payments? When lawyers hire an expert witness, they add payment of the expert witness' fee to the client's legal bill. Nothing wrong with that.

If the argument is the NDA payments were personal in nature and not "ordinary and necessary business expenses", then their deductibility should be challenged by tax authorities. Trump could argue the payments were needed to protect the brand image of his business, but he probably wouldn't win that one in tax court.

If the Trump Organization was publicly held, I would agree he shouldn't make the business pay for expenses that are arguably personal in nature. But since it's a privately held conglomerate owned by trump, who is he "hiding the truth" from? Himself?

And what is the specific New York state law/statute he was charged with violating? I would hope it isn't as flaky and phony as the New York Executive Law 63(12) that NY State AG Tish James abused to seize all of his business assets.

Why is it that every time someone chimes in to support Trump nobody ever says that he didn’t do it.

He did it, he’s a felon... Originally Posted by txdot-guy

What are you talking about? Did he fuck a porn star? Of course he did! Nobody is denying that (except trump). Old news.

You call him a felon, yet I'm not even past the misdemeanor stage.

I can't figure out exactly what "it" is that he was accused of and convicted for.

I have no problem letting every voter decide whether fucking a porn star while your wife is sitting back home preggo makes you unfit for elective office. That's a question to be answered at the ballot box, not in a courtroom.

IMO it makes trump a cad, but not a felon.

Now go ahead and try to convince me otherwise.

Why is it that every time someone chimes in to support Trump nobody ever says that he didn’t do it.

He did it, he’s a felon, if he didn’t want to break the law he should have incorporated and lived somewhere where they don’t have the same kind of anti corruption and anti fraud laws.

Otherwise you’re pissing into the wind. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

you think New York is the only state with anti corruption and anti fraud laws? nonsense. they all have similar laws. New York uses them for political purposes. the judicial system in New York is corrupt and this case and James's bullshit civil case are prime examples.


what did he do? fuck some porn slut while married and pay her to keep her mouth shut about it. nothing illegal about it at all. in fact the one who broke the law was Stormy Cunt herself by breaking her NDA. what do you think about the fact that Trump ruined her financially over it? by the time she pays off that 500k she owes Trump she'll be 70 with her fake porn tits dragging the ground.

The entire Country outside of NY knows the entire indictment, trial, and conviction was a sham.

The Democrats just had to get some kind of conviction in the hopes that voters would say…..”But Trum’s a convicted Felon”.

Luckily, the majority of the electorate saw through this stupid ploy.

The truth is, The Democrats used up every bit of their credibility with the RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA scam and the phony impeachments.

Why is it that every time someone chimes in to support Trump nobody ever says that he didn’t do it.

He did it, he’s a felon, if he didn’t want to break the law he should have incorporated and lived somewhere where they don’t have the same kind of anti corruption and anti fraud laws.

Otherwise you’re pissing into the wind. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Four more posts that ignore the fact that he did it. He was indicted by a grand jury of regular citizens. He was tried in a court of law. He was convicted of 36 felony charges by a jury of regular citizens.

There is no other way to look at it. Unless the conviction is thrown out on appeal, which I doubt, then he’s a multiple conviction felon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosec...mp_in_New_York

I expect more posts trying to give him a pass for his crimes.

Four more posts that ignore the fact that he did it. He was indicted by a grand jury of regular citizens. He was tried in a court of law. He was convicted of 36 felony charges by a jury of regular citizens.

There is no other way to look at it. Unless the conviction is thrown out on appeal, which I doubt, then he’s a multiple conviction felon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosec...mp_in_New_York

I expect more posts trying to give him a pass for his crimes. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

You are trying to respond reasonably to unreasonable people.

Again, it's not that serious to me, but by the letter of the law, he is a convicted felon. That's not defensible. To argue otherwise is foolish. I don't know what many of these MAGAs are saying in their master's defense, but it sounds like the usual nonsense which is why I neither respond directly to them nor waste my time reading (unless they are quoted) most of their silly shit.

He broke the law. He was convicted as he should have been. The case was a rather simple one. I just wish they went after him more aggressively and wisely for some of the more egregious and felonious criminal acts that piece of shit committed that IMO, were much more serious than that Mickey Mouse felony. Instead of doing that, now we have another four years of a lame ass previously cancelled reality TV show to watch.

... Actually, Trump is NOT a "convicted felon" until the Judge
passes sentence. ... As the Judge could still vacate the jury's
decision there.

... But, no matter. As I explained a number of times now, the appeal
will be expedited and the verdict OVER-TURNED. ...

... So, the whole situation is rather a moot point. ...

#### Salty

^^^^ Man, do you really not know what "conviction" means yet you post as if you do? Geez. Let me help with the Meriam-Webster definition below in bold:

the act or process of finding a person guilty of a crime especially in a court of law

Your master Trump IS A CONVICTED FUCKING FELON. How hard is that to understand? There is no argument about that simple fact to be had.

Edit for below: Ummmmm, Salty; I don't quite know how to respond to that without getting some deserved points for insults, so I'll just say that MAGAs truly are geniuses, and I envy their intellect.

^^^^ Man, do you really not know what "convicted" means yet you post as if you do? Geez. Let me help with the Meriam-Webster definition below in bold:

the act or process of finding a person guilty of a crime especially in a court of law

Your master Trump IS A CONVICTED FUCKING FELON. How hard is that to understand? Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

... And yet the act and process have not been completed.

How hard is that for YOU to comprehende?

The legal process is NOT complicated, mate.
No need for you to make it so.

#### Salty

... And yet the act and process have not been completed.

How hard is that for YOU to comprehende?

The legal process is NOT complicated, mate.
No need for you to make it so.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

We both no they have zero leg to stand on. They are just arguing because orange man bad.

Neither one of them are stupid enough to believe the shit they are writing, so you need to take into account they are arguing for the team and no amount of logic will ever make them concede that they are wrong.

We both no they have zero leg to stand on. They are just arguing because orange man bad.

Neither one of them are stupid enough to believe the shit they are writing, so you need to take into account they are arguing for the team and no amount of logic will ever make them concede that they are wrong. Originally Posted by texassapper

The majority of the Electorate now know that all of the Democrat Ploys were designed for one thing, to keep Former President Trump from being President Trump again.

It failed, miserably.
The Left simply cannot come to grips with the fact that the majority of American Voters are not as stupid as they counted on them being.