Okay, story time. So I am sitting in my kitchen with my 70+ great aunt/Grandma and she see on Dr. Phil Sugar babies. Of course the natural question that left her mouth was what is that to which I had to explain.
I said,
A Sugar babie is a young woman who get money for food clothes cars houses anything for an exchange such as Conversation/Companionship (There are still some out there that that is all they want.) or Sexual relationship.
She of course asked then why a man would do that when there were other options.
I told her this and I turned red, (I mean explaining this to my Grandma... I hate Dr. Phil at this point...)
Weather you call yourself a courtesan a sugar baby a call girl a street walker they all originate from the same place Sex for "blank" Companionship for "Blank" IT is just what people prefer.
I have had a few of these arrangements for Companionship however I do not prefer them they are complicated and intricate it goes on a personal level that I do not like to link with my dual lives.
I do not know if my story helped any but there it is.
- guest073113-2
- 09-13-2012, 08:45 PM
- Seeker
- 09-13-2012, 10:01 PM
Interesting thread. So go with a provider or a SB or SD, what ever makes you happy!
- lushlondon
- 09-15-2012, 07:51 AM
no then your a regular... 5-7000 a month your a sugar daddy Originally Posted by BeautifulBreeTrue. I participate in these arrangements from time to time, and I find it comical when men offer $1-200/wk to see me 2-4 times per week, often overnight. Are they serious?
- KittyLamour
- 09-15-2012, 08:39 AM
I am looking for a sugar daddy also. It would be nice to have someone on a regular basis that I could consider more than a client. It would be nice to have a little stability and I'd really like to be good to someone. I've been considering it for a while and have really decided I'd love to find one.
- GoAheadMkMyDay
- 09-15-2012, 07:37 PM
I have always used the term sugar daddy to describe a man who provided a luxurious lifestyle, and/or expensive gifts, but didn't expect sex in return. Those were my experiences, Originally Posted by AnnelieseBellUnfortunately, I pre-date websites of any kind and certainly ones focused on being a sugar daddy/baby. I can tell you that from the man's point of view this has NEVER been the DEFINITION of a sugar baby. It was primarily, originally another term for a mistress where the age difference meant that he was as old as, or in most cases older than her father (hence daddy). There may have been a small percentage that got something else from the relationship but it was never the norm, and certainly never viewed from the outside that the daddy was not getting sexual favors in return.
I know men who would read Mr 6's posts and think "I would never eat in a TGI Friday's". But he certainly has the right to his opinion. He wants value and appreciation for his perceived generosity. Originally Posted by AnnelieseBellGotYour6 was taking her there for a first meeting, not to show his extravagance. It was her that said she'd never eaten at a such fancy places. I think he following descriptions of their relationships show that he had given a lot more than just financial benefits in exchange for her company. Ultimately it seems from she is as happy with the situation as he is.
If everyone is happy with the situation then that's wonderful. Originally Posted by AnnelieseBellSpot on. It doesn't really matter what any of the rest of us think, whether we feel that one or the other is taking advantage. If it works for them, for however, short or long, then that's what matters.
- Seeker
- 09-15-2012, 08:28 PM
I am looking for a sugar daddy also. It would be nice to have someone on a regular basis that I could consider more than a client. It would be nice to have a little stability and I'd really like to be good to someone. I've been considering it for a while and have really decided I'd love to find one. Originally Posted by merciannaThanks for that Mercianna. If anyone in the Austin area has similar interests send me a pm or email.
- stimulatethemind
- 09-15-2012, 08:30 PM
Unfortunately, I pre-date websites of any kind and certainly ones focused on being a sugar daddy/baby. I can tell you that from the man's point of view this has NEVER been the DEFINITION of a sugar baby. It was primarily, originally another term for a mistress where the age difference meant that he was as old as, or in most cases older than her father (hence daddy). There may have been a small percentage that got something else from the relationship but it was never the norm, and certainly never viewed from the outside that the daddy was not getting sexual favors in return.
GotYour6 was taking her there for a first meeting, not to show his extravagance. It was her that said she'd never eaten at a such fancy places. I think he following descriptions of their relationships show that he had given a lot more than just financial benefits in exchange for her company. Ultimately it seems from she is as happy with the situation as he is.
Spot on. It doesn't really matter what any of the rest of us think, whether we feel that one or the other is taking advantage. If it works for them, for however, short or long, then that's what matters. Originally Posted by GoAheadMkMyDay
Absolutely correct, MakeMyDay!! Your last paragraph finally says exactly the truth. I've followed this thread and all it's varied opinions and this statement should put some level of finality to it. The whole providers can't make good SB's is a crock. My SB is a (very low volume) provider and I couldn't ask for a finer lady. She is neither an ATM humper nor a control freak and has never asked me for anything. I give her a monthly allowance and some very frequent, nice gifts (clothing, shoes, event tickets, jewelry, etc.), all of which I choose to give. She gives me wonderful companionship, stimulating conversation, genuine caring and amazing BCD time. In other words, we are making each other's lives better.......and it works for us!!! What really determines a successful SD/SB relationship is merely what determines any relationship, the chemistry of the two people involved. We are both getting what we want out of the agreement........no strings of any kind. Neither of us is interested in marriage or even living together or any sort of "forever". There is, however, genuine caring, passion and a mutual interest in each other's lives. Neither of us has any idea if, or how long, this may last, but for now, we are just enjoying.
- Guest022813-02
- 09-15-2012, 11:16 PM
Does there have to be an exact definition for a SD/SB relationship? If everyone in the relationship is happy with it then I am not sure that the "title" of it matters? I had a SD/SB relationship once and it lasted for a couple of years. We ended it because we were getting too close and his wife was starting to get suspicious or jealous. I was not sure if she ever new or not. I met him at a strip club and we just clicked. I figure you can meet a SD/SB anywhere and if you have that chemistry then you will make it work. A SD/SB relationship will not last if you guys do not genuinely care for each other. These types of relationships take a lot of work just like a regular relationship. To this day me and my ex SD are still great friends. I would not have it any other way between us!
- Cameo Knightley
- 09-16-2012, 11:05 AM
I was a sugar baby once but he had a breakdown when he fell in love with me and told me he couldn't live without me. He had taken me to an island for vacation. I respected and appreciated him but didn't love him as he loved me. He threatened to kill himself if I left him. This was more then I could handle so I ended the arrangement.
I'm a bit weary to do an arrangement again. It was nice to connect on a deeper level and the long phone calls I enjoyed too. If a man can respect my boundaries and not get too emotional, then I think it's a nice thing to be sugar
I'm a bit weary to do an arrangement again. It was nice to connect on a deeper level and the long phone calls I enjoyed too. If a man can respect my boundaries and not get too emotional, then I think it's a nice thing to be sugar
- Snuggles
- 09-16-2012, 05:01 PM
hell I know some guys who are suger daddies to their money hungry wives.
- adriana_paige
- 09-16-2012, 09:48 PM
I agree with Mercianna, I have one particular client whom I really care about and he is my favorite client ever It's so nice to have that connection with another person. I could see myself being a sb, It would just have to be someone I connect with on that level.
- Justdonebyu
- 09-19-2012, 04:16 PM
It is not about being cheap (I can dine anywhere and SB's have asked to go to Applebees - I do what they want). Nor is it about money. It is about value - BUT - most here see that in $$$$.
A SugarBaby is "thoughtful". Sex is not thoughtful. Though it can be.
A SugarDaddy is "thoughtful". Money is not thoughtful. Though it can be.
The hobby is about $.
Sugardaddies "pay as you go" rather than at the end in a divorce.
Sugarbabbies "respect" the arrangement - knowing it is one and nothing more.
It is an arrangement both parties can end (like the hobby) at any time. Hopefully, gracefully and with a smile. Though I had one not end that way. She couldn't figure out why I didn't want to give her money or be a friend for nothing. She felt her beauty and presence was all I needed.
I have had both provider sugarbabbies and non-provider. In over 11 years of this (hobby). And 9 years of sugarbabbies - not at the same time. It is about heart. Both parties "digging" each other. Both parties seeing the value in knowing each other. Both getting what they need from the other (I do not see the need for it to be exclusive - but it darn sure better feel that way).
Most sugarbabbies ruin it by 1) treating me like an ATM over time, 2) mentioning some guy they met, 3) forget to be thoughtful (bake me cookies, bring me an ice cream cone from McDonald's, the gift of a painting is an outstounding example of personal effort), 4) did not know how to be a woman and a lady and stroke a man's ego - amongst other things, 5) were really lousy communicators, ...6) moved to the provider model of "give me cash", 7) Didn't hear me, 8) forgot my birthday or holiday (yea, like I would NOT get an SB something for her birthday), etc....
That connection that is talked about - it has to be beyond sex and looks. It has to be beyond fun. It has to include trust. Integrity. Compassion. Security (not just financial).
Does the hobby jade us on those things? Yea, a bit. And that's part of it. We have to find people who do not let their hearts grow cold. Or we get jaded and equate sex to money. And that takes quite a bit of meditation to adjust - especially between a provider and hobbyist....
I am in between SB's and seeing providers. And hope to visit some of the beautiful ladies in Dallas soon :-) A few of you wonderful ladies on this thread, through your thoughtful and compassionate replies, have me quite intrigued .....
Peace
P.S.
A SugarBaby is "thoughtful". Sex is not thoughtful. Though it can be.
A SugarDaddy is "thoughtful". Money is not thoughtful. Though it can be.
The hobby is about $.
Sugardaddies "pay as you go" rather than at the end in a divorce.
Sugarbabbies "respect" the arrangement - knowing it is one and nothing more.
It is an arrangement both parties can end (like the hobby) at any time. Hopefully, gracefully and with a smile. Though I had one not end that way. She couldn't figure out why I didn't want to give her money or be a friend for nothing. She felt her beauty and presence was all I needed.
I have had both provider sugarbabbies and non-provider. In over 11 years of this (hobby). And 9 years of sugarbabbies - not at the same time. It is about heart. Both parties "digging" each other. Both parties seeing the value in knowing each other. Both getting what they need from the other (I do not see the need for it to be exclusive - but it darn sure better feel that way).
Most sugarbabbies ruin it by 1) treating me like an ATM over time, 2) mentioning some guy they met, 3) forget to be thoughtful (bake me cookies, bring me an ice cream cone from McDonald's, the gift of a painting is an outstounding example of personal effort), 4) did not know how to be a woman and a lady and stroke a man's ego - amongst other things, 5) were really lousy communicators, ...6) moved to the provider model of "give me cash", 7) Didn't hear me, 8) forgot my birthday or holiday (yea, like I would NOT get an SB something for her birthday), etc....
That connection that is talked about - it has to be beyond sex and looks. It has to be beyond fun. It has to include trust. Integrity. Compassion. Security (not just financial).
Does the hobby jade us on those things? Yea, a bit. And that's part of it. We have to find people who do not let their hearts grow cold. Or we get jaded and equate sex to money. And that takes quite a bit of meditation to adjust - especially between a provider and hobbyist....
I am in between SB's and seeing providers. And hope to visit some of the beautiful ladies in Dallas soon :-) A few of you wonderful ladies on this thread, through your thoughtful and compassionate replies, have me quite intrigued .....
Peace
P.S.
- stimulatethemind
- 09-19-2012, 08:47 PM
Well said, Justdonebyu. You get it. It's not just about money or looks, but is about the attributes you mentioned.......trust, integrity, compassion and security. I would only add the quality of respect for each other.
Good luck in your search for a compatible partner.
Good luck in your search for a compatible partner.
- Guest032315
- 09-19-2012, 09:07 PM
Most of the posts I have read in this thread seem to be based on general arguments rather than experience. To the extent that experience was part of it, the providers who have explored the SD/SB world found it wanting by their main metric, which is $/hr. To those who frequented providers first before switching exclusively or almost exclusively to arrangements, the provider/client relationship was lacking by a different metric, which is meaningful interaction/day. I saw providers on this board for about 4 months. I almost became friends with 2. I learned about SD sites and met a few prospects. I talked to the two providers I would have considered as SBs about this type of relationship. Their responses immediately showed their focus on the $/hr metric above all else and the inherent incompatibility of what I wanted and what they wanted. I have been in the SB world for the last two years as a result. Based on my experience, I would say that from a SBs perspective, the main differences between escorting and what she does are:
(1)she gets to look at and talk to the guy before deciding whether to fuck him or not. She weeds out 75% of guys at the e-mail/picture exchange stage and another 75% at the first date. The guys she picks also picks her. So there is strong chemistry at the start.
(2)the SD is never her primary source of income and she usually has a long-term goal which he supports. Mine have been future lawyers, doctors, nurses.
(3)fucking is somewhere between 10-25% of the relationship; the rest is going out like a normal couple, except its better. I have taken mine to restaraunts, on a helicopter ride, cruise ship, to the beach, on a private plane ride where she got to take the controls.
(4)no one ever looks at the clock or keeps track of time, except to feel sorry when one of us has to leave.
(5)we keep in touch when we are away from each other, anywhere from every 2-3 days to daily
Now you can argue about whether SBs are a form of provider or not. I don't really care, as long as you acknowledge that even though both McDonalds and exclusive personal chefs are part of the food industry, someone does not easily transition between the two roles. There may be exceptions, but I neither seek them nor have I come across them. Someone posted that a provider in her first month on the job had made the transition with him. I could see that happening, in fact I almost attempted that once. But the click wasn't there for me. Finally, the reason that all these guys who are SDs hang out on a hooker board is that they managed to convince this site to add an area for them. It is meant to be a forum for men who are considering the change to explore and for men who have made the change to share/brag/ask questions. It is not for everyone; you have to have the desire for the higher rate of non-sexual meaningful interaction and a preference for intelligent, educated conversation than the average hobbyist. More importantly, you have to have some game and a desire to seduce and hopefully mentor a young woman. To use a different analogy finding providers is like going fishing with a huge shipping boat - just open up the net and add power. Finding SBs is like fishing a small creek on a bad day. It takes effort and skill. It takes time to hone your skill no matter how much game you have going in. If you are a hobbyist considering this option, I invite you to visit the suggardaddy forum, which I co-moderate.
Good luck to the ladies considering the transition.
(1)she gets to look at and talk to the guy before deciding whether to fuck him or not. She weeds out 75% of guys at the e-mail/picture exchange stage and another 75% at the first date. The guys she picks also picks her. So there is strong chemistry at the start.
(2)the SD is never her primary source of income and she usually has a long-term goal which he supports. Mine have been future lawyers, doctors, nurses.
(3)fucking is somewhere between 10-25% of the relationship; the rest is going out like a normal couple, except its better. I have taken mine to restaraunts, on a helicopter ride, cruise ship, to the beach, on a private plane ride where she got to take the controls.
(4)no one ever looks at the clock or keeps track of time, except to feel sorry when one of us has to leave.
(5)we keep in touch when we are away from each other, anywhere from every 2-3 days to daily
Now you can argue about whether SBs are a form of provider or not. I don't really care, as long as you acknowledge that even though both McDonalds and exclusive personal chefs are part of the food industry, someone does not easily transition between the two roles. There may be exceptions, but I neither seek them nor have I come across them. Someone posted that a provider in her first month on the job had made the transition with him. I could see that happening, in fact I almost attempted that once. But the click wasn't there for me. Finally, the reason that all these guys who are SDs hang out on a hooker board is that they managed to convince this site to add an area for them. It is meant to be a forum for men who are considering the change to explore and for men who have made the change to share/brag/ask questions. It is not for everyone; you have to have the desire for the higher rate of non-sexual meaningful interaction and a preference for intelligent, educated conversation than the average hobbyist. More importantly, you have to have some game and a desire to seduce and hopefully mentor a young woman. To use a different analogy finding providers is like going fishing with a huge shipping boat - just open up the net and add power. Finding SBs is like fishing a small creek on a bad day. It takes effort and skill. It takes time to hone your skill no matter how much game you have going in. If you are a hobbyist considering this option, I invite you to visit the suggardaddy forum, which I co-moderate.
Good luck to the ladies considering the transition.
- Alina Lili
- 09-19-2012, 09:58 PM
Great topic.
I had a Sugar Daddy from a site years ago. He was nice, polite and we had a lot in common. It worked out well until I decided to be a provider and he noticed my photos even though it was blurred. he contacted me via my website and we made arrangements. He was very sweet about it all and we had a great time together.
I want to say there is a difference, which there is but at the same time- on both levels I feel a connection, fun and flirtation. On the Sugar daddy level, I don't try and dig into a gentleman's wallet. Yes, I'm there for a purpose but not to get greedy and loose who I am. Just to have fun with someone who enjoys life like I do. Yes, a few nice things help but I maybe it's just me- I'm patient and polite yet I do have boundaries. There is not a definite allowance at first and it's mostly to fill the need of friendship, going out and exploring- basically out and about. Whereas a companion, you do the same but the client wants privacy.
As a companion, I screen for safety but also for compatibility. I'm being contacted for a certain service that is stated on my website and or ad. I keep my boundaries, have fun, provide a wonderful time but the exception is that there is a definite donation.
Sorry, I'm new to posting so I hope this made sense
I had a Sugar Daddy from a site years ago. He was nice, polite and we had a lot in common. It worked out well until I decided to be a provider and he noticed my photos even though it was blurred. he contacted me via my website and we made arrangements. He was very sweet about it all and we had a great time together.
I want to say there is a difference, which there is but at the same time- on both levels I feel a connection, fun and flirtation. On the Sugar daddy level, I don't try and dig into a gentleman's wallet. Yes, I'm there for a purpose but not to get greedy and loose who I am. Just to have fun with someone who enjoys life like I do. Yes, a few nice things help but I maybe it's just me- I'm patient and polite yet I do have boundaries. There is not a definite allowance at first and it's mostly to fill the need of friendship, going out and exploring- basically out and about. Whereas a companion, you do the same but the client wants privacy.
As a companion, I screen for safety but also for compatibility. I'm being contacted for a certain service that is stated on my website and or ad. I keep my boundaries, have fun, provide a wonderful time but the exception is that there is a definite donation.
Sorry, I'm new to posting so I hope this made sense