Hiroshima Plus Seventy

Hahahahaha..... you go out of your way to list your sources and sewer rat STILL can't figure anything out. What a scholar he is! He is so sloppy he never provides a link and half the time he doesn't even put other people's words in quotemarks. Of course, the only "source" he knows is wikipedia. Can't slow down to check sources, gotta hit my quota of 50 posts a day!

Betcha the Atlantic is too conservative for him.... hahahaha!




. Originally Posted by lustylad

That's a goddamn lie, you insufferable cunt. And what was the Atlantic article citing, you fucking retard? I know it was the goddamn atlantic, I was referencing what they cited. Who can't figure shit out now, you shitass fucktard.

Here's an article IBdipshit and LustyTard will no doubt hate, but spells out why the bombs were really dropped. Suck on that.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...ambitions.html


The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to study the air attacks on Japan, produced a report in July of 1946 that concluded (52-56):

"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

Even McArthur said he saw no military justification for dropping the bomb.

The Japanese refused to surrender even after we dropped the first bomb, for Christ's sake. We warned them about the weapon before we dropped it on them and they ignored us. We dropped it on Hiroshima and then asked them to surrender again and they refused. What better evidence could exist that the Japanese military was intent on fighting to the very end?

Go read up on Tarawa. Kwajalein. Iwo Jima. Okinawa. At Tarawa, out of 4,700 Japanese defenders, one officer and 16 enlisted men survived. And, they were all badly wounded. What does that tell you?

And, why do you find that type of fanatical resistance to be so unusual? The Germans did the same thing. They were beaten and knew it months, if not years, before the eventual surrender. Yet, they continued fighting until Hitler whacked himself and virtually their entire country was destroyed. Originally Posted by timpage

well holy sheepshit boys and girls, timmy actually posted something worth reading. imagine that!

the fanaticism of Imperial Japan is a known fact. they would have had civilians rush American troops on the beachheads armed only with pitchforks to be slaughtered by the tens of thousands or more. fanatics cannot be reasoned with. you have to defeat them completely. Hitler and Tojo were fanatics of the highest order. there's only one way you deal with them. and we did.

well holy sheepshit boys and girls, timmy actually posted something worth reading. imagine that!

the fanaticism of Imperial Japan is a known fact. they would have had civilians rush American troops on the beachheads armed only with pitchforks to be slaughtered by the tens of thousands or more. fanatics cannot be reasoned with. you have to defeat them completely. Hitler and Tojo were fanatics of the highest order. there's only one way you deal with them. and we did. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Complete lies.

Here's an article IBdipshit and LustyTard will no doubt hate, but spells out why the bombs were really dropped. Suck on that.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...ambitions.html


The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to study the air attacks on Japan, produced a report in July of 1946 that concluded (52-56):

"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

Even McArthur said he saw no military justification for dropping the bomb. Originally Posted by WombRaider

you just kicked yourself in the nuts wombface. who said it was purely Military to use the atomic bombs? and didn't i just post above it sent a message to the USSR? i did.

Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

Really? then why didn't they surrender after the FIRST bombing if they were so ready to surrender? why did it take two?

"Causing a fission reaction in several kilograms of uranium and plutonium and killing over 200,000 people 60 years ago was done more to impress the Soviet Union than to cow Japan, they say. And the US President who took the decision, Harry Truman, was culpable, they add.
“He knew he was beginning the process of annihilation of the species,” says Peter Kuznick, director of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University in Washington DC, US. “It was not just a war crime; it was a crime against humanity.”


Truman? of a war crime??? typical libtard propaganda. who is this dicknose asshole Peter Kuznick?



the war crimes of the Axis outweigh and outnumber ANY insinuation of war crimes by the Allied powers.

this piece of shit Peter Kuznick states “He knew he was beginning the process of annihilation of the species,” why, i bet this cocksucker denies the Holocaust happened. or the Bataan death march. or the rape of nanking? the opinion of this asshole liberal fucknose or anything the Washington Post espouses means not a damn thing to me.

if this assbrain Kuznick is correct about his contention that dropping an atomic bomb on Japan was some sort of attempt at genocide then why are there Japanese today? because he's an idiot that's why. why didn't we keep dropping abombs on Japan until there was not one Japanese left alive?

what a bunch of leftist crap. and guess who posted it?

you just kicked yourself in the nuts wombface. who said it was purely Military to use the atomic bombs? and didn't i just post above it sent a message to the USSR? i did.

Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

Really? then why didn't they surrender after the FIRST bombing if they were so ready to surrender? why did it take two?

"Causing a fission reaction in several kilograms of uranium and plutonium and killing over 200,000 people 60 years ago was done more to impress the Soviet Union than to cow Japan, they say. And the US President who took the decision, Harry Truman, was culpable, they add.
“He knew he was beginning the process of annihilation of the species,” says Peter Kuznick, director of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University in Washington DC, US. “It was not just a war crime; it was a crime against humanity.”


Truman? of a war crime??? typical libtard propaganda. who is this dicknose asshole Peter Kuznick?



the war crimes of the Axis outweigh and outnumber ANY insinuation of war crimes by the Allied powers.

this piece of shit Peter Kuznick states “He knew he was beginning the process of annihilation of the species,” why, i bet this cocksucker denies the Holocaust happened. or the Bataan death march. or the rape of nanking? the opinion of this asshole liberal fucknose or anything the Washington Post espouses means not a damn thing to me.

if this assbrain Kuznick is correct about his contention that dropping an atomic bomb on Japan was some sort of attempt at genocide then why are there Japanese today? because he's an idiot that's why. why didn't we keep dropping abombs on Japan until there was not one Japanese left alive?

what a bunch of leftist crap. and guess who posted it?



Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

And conveniently, you fixate on the wrong thing. Read the statements of the military men in charge. Read their statements about how the Japanese were finished.

The Japanese aren't a species, you fucking retard.

And conveniently, you fixate on the wrong thing. Read the statements of the military men in charge. Read their statements about how the Japanese were finished.

The Japanese aren't a species, you fucking retard. Originally Posted by WombRaider

i didn't say that you fucktard. the article YOU POSTED DID. don't you even read what you post??

from the article YOU POSTED IDIOT.

“He knew he was beginning the process of annihilation of the species,” says Peter Kuznick, director of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University in Washington DC, US. “It was not just a war crime; it was a crime against humanity.”

Now tell me that's my opinion dickhead.

The Japanese were finished. but who did they sue for peace to? anyone NOT named America. if they had been serious, they WOULD HAVE CONTACTED the USA directly. they didn't. the Soviets? the Swiss? please.

You do know that we nearly had to threaten the Soviets to invade Japan yes? we had wanted them to do so for months but they would not? know why? they were too preoccupied with their brutal revenge on Germany.

it was never a purely military decision and the idiot historians who say otherwise don't get it. do they write that had we let the Soviets continue their invasion they would have occupied all of China and Japan and like Europe never given it back?

and do these historian pansies write about the inhumanity of allowing millions of Japanese to STARVE TO DEATH? please!!! talk about barbarian!!

Truman's decision was NEVER an easy one to make, yet the moralizing of these idiots makes it seem so. IT WAS NOT. Truman had to live with that decision the rest of his life and i'm sure it was not easy for him. but it was NEVER strictly a Military decision. do these Harvard types write about that? NO. they sit back and take the so-called "moral high road" as if "they" in their superior intellect and humanity would have been wiser? would they? or is it just easier to say so now?

and while we are talking about kick-starting the Cold War as these pansies moralize about .. who was the REAL GUILTY PARTY with the Soviets that both started the Cold War and the subjugation of half of Europe under the Soviet boot-heel? tell me history buff.

i'll give you one hint. "Naughty List"

google it and learn something. asshat.

and one more hint. it was NOT THIS guy

The Generals were not going to be the ones stepping out of those landing craft as the doors opened on Japanese Mainland Shores.

I ask again. All of these men who in charge said the Japanese were finished. So, without the Bombs being dropped, how many more days, weeks, months, or even longer would it take for the surrender to take place. And, how many more American lives would have been lost. 10, 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000,......or more?
First Bomb hits. Second bomb hits.....two days later, surrender.

i didn't say that you fucktard. the article YOU POSTED DID. don't you even read what you post??

from the article YOU POSTED IDIOT.

“He knew he was beginning the process of annihilation of the species,” says Peter Kuznick, director of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University in Washington DC, US. “It was not just a war crime; it was a crime against humanity.”

Now tell me that's my opinion dickhead.

The Japanese were finished. but who did they sue for peace to? anyone NOT named America. if they had been serious, they WOULD HAVE CONTACTED the USA directly. they didn't. the Soviets? the Swiss? please.

You do know that we nearly had to threaten the Soviets to invade Japan yes? we had wanted them to do so for months but they would not? know why? they were too preoccupied with their brutal revenge on Germany.

it was never a purely military decision and the idiot historians who say otherwise don't get it. do they write that had we let the Soviets continue their invasion they would have occupied all of China and Japan and like Europe never given it back?

and do these historian pansies write about the inhumanity of allowing millions of Japanese to STARVE TO DEATH? please!!! talk about barbarian!!

Truman's decision was NEVER an easy one to make, yet the moralizing of these idiots makes it seem so. IT WAS NOT. Truman had to live with that decision the rest of his life and i'm sure it was not easy for him. but it was NEVER strictly a Military decision. do these Harvard types write about that? NO. they sit back and take the so-called "moral high road" as if "they" in their superior intellect and humanity would have been wiser? would they? or is it just easier to say so now?
Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

NO... it said species in regards to the entire human race, you fucking idiot, because we had engineered our own end. And then YOU took that to wrongly mean the Japanese. The Japanese are not a species. He was referencing MANKIND.

you are a Complete liar. Originally Posted by WombRaider

as the chimp likes to say .. FTFY

speaking of chimps ...

The Generals were not going to be the ones stepping out of those landing craft as the doors opened on Japanese Mainland Shores.

I ask again. All of these men who in charge said the Japanese were finished. So, without the Bombs being dropped, how many more days, weeks, months, or even longer would it take for the surrender to take place. And, how many more American lives would have been lost. 10, 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000,......or more?
First Bomb hits. Second bomb hits.....two days later, surrender. Originally Posted by Jackie S

We'll never know. My point is to at least acknowledge two schools of thought on the matter. Too often people on here are more interested in being right. I'm not as interested in that on this particular subject as I am in discussing the two schools of thought. I should have known that was asking too much with this bunch. Present company excluded, of course.

We've had this argument before.

Yeah, it saved American lives. No question.

It probably even saved more Japanese lives (we'll never know).

However, one golden rule that has withstood the test of time is that civilians are never directly targeted for a military attack. Not lest from the champion of human rights as we "strive" to be.

And not even considering the fact that it was a terrible terrible outlet to use; the effects of that bomb can still be felt today.

Dying soldiers is the cost of war. We knew that when we signed up. If we are going to act as world police we better be prepared to pay the cost for it.

If we were the ones who had executed pearl harbor it would have been considered the most brilliant military offensive since the Trojan horse.

All it boils down to is this: Do you value the concept of America more than you value the reality of it?
If so, then dropping the bomb was definitely the wrong thing to do.

as the chimp likes to say .. FTFY

speaking of chimps ...

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

You're the chimp who mistook someone referencing the species to meaning the Japanese, thinking the japanese were a species. He was speaking in a larger sense about mankind and how we had engineered our own doom.

We've had this argument before.

Yeah, it saved American lives. No question.

It probably even saved more Japanese lives (we'll never know).

However, one golden rule that has withstood the test of time is that civilians are never directly targeted for a military attack. Not lest from the champion of human rights as we "strive" to be.

And not even considering the fact that it was a terrible terrible outlet to use; the effects of that bomb can still be felt today.

Dying soldiers is the cost of war. We knew that when we signed up. If we are going to act as world police we better be prepared to pay the cost for it.

If we were the ones who had executed pearl harbor it would have been considered the most brilliant military offensive since the Trojan horse.

All it boils down to is this: Do you value the concept of America more than you value the reality of it?
If so, then dropping the bomb was definitely the wrong thing to do. Originally Posted by shanm

Hear, hear

They don't understand that it all boils down to point of view.