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I agree that both Hillary, and Trump are perverse and depraved. The difference is that we are far better off with who we got. While not all on the left are fascist, Hillary was and is, and the leftist that are visibly active in politics now certainly have all the associated behaviors.

Trump is a perverse, depraved, self interested propagandist, but he is no fascist, and fascism in the US would doom our country and the world. If we keep a constitutional government, a perverse, depraved, self interested propagandist will not. Originally Posted by kehaar
Trump is a borderline autocrat. If we let him, he would run the USA like Russia

Hes doing a pretty good job by blocking the press. Slamming all the press is like saying all cops are bad. The real facts are most cops and press are honest. Trump wants us to believe the opposite

Having a compulsive Liar try to convince me to listen to him in lieu of the press, aint happening
Trump is a borderline autocrat. If we let him, he would run the USA like Russia

Hes doing a pretty good job by blocking the press. Slamming all the press is like saying all cops are bad. The real facts are most cops and press are honest. Trump wants us to believe the opposite

Having a compulsive Liar try to convince me to listen to him in lieu of the press, aint happening Originally Posted by themystic
I've not seen one instance of Trump using the authority of the US government to prevent people from reporting what they want to report.

What I have seen is Trump controlling what information the US government provides to an utterly hostile propaganda machine, while using methods of advertising that don't go through the "news machine". I agree that Trump's tweets are idiotic, misplaced, propaganda, but they are similar in accuracy to the "news machine"'s blogs (NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc). I'd also note the that effective(and important) parts of the Trump presidency are being ignored by the news machines, mostly because they don't like his effectiveness.

I'd note the Obama used this technique first. In particular, he black balled Fox News because he did not like what they reported.
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I've not seen one instance of Trump using the authority of the US government to prevent people from reporting what they want to report.

What I have seen is Trump controlling what information the US government provides to an utterly hostile propaganda machine, while using methods of advertising that don't go through the "news machine". I agree that Trump's tweets are idiotic, misplaced, propaganda, but they are similar in accuracy to the "news machine"'s blogs (NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc). I'd also note the that effective(and important) parts of the Trump presidency are being ignored by the news machines, mostly because they don't like his effectiveness.

I'd note the Obama used this technique first. In particular, he black balled Fox News because he did not like what they reported. Originally Posted by kehaar
Here I go again. Why dont you enlighten me

What effective parts of Trumps presidency am I being deprived of knowing?

I dont know of any, but I would love to. IB sent out some propoganda a few weeks back that if its true I liked some of it. Problem is I cant remember what was actually true. ( The Trump effect)

Btw, I like Trump being president. Hes really a democratic force
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Trump is a borderline autocrat. If we let him, he would run the USA like Russia

Hes doing a pretty good job by blocking the press. Slamming all the press is like saying all cops are bad. The real facts are most cops and press are honest. Trump wants us to believe the opposite

Having a compulsive Liar try to convince me to listen to him in lieu of the press, aint happening
Originally Posted by themystic
It's like this, mistake, revelation after revelation from the Zimmerman trial through the election has shown the lame-stream media to be in cahoots with the most lib-retard of the lib-retards in misrepresenting the truth as they lied and cheated to advance candidates, false narratives and agendas they agreed with while simultaneously and intentionally disadvantaging those they disagreed with. And guess what, mistake? Those folks living in the Red States are mad as hell, and last November at the ballot box they let the lib-retards in the lame-stream media know that they ain't going to take their lies anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcHMJlE7OM
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It's like this, mistake, revelation after revelation from the Zimmerman trial through the election has shown the lame-stream media to be in cahoots with the most lib-retard of the lib-retards in misrepresenting the truth as they lied and cheated to advance candidates, false narratives and agendas they agreed with while simultaneously and intentionally disadvantaging those they disagreed with. And guess what, mistake? Those folks living in the Red States are mad as hell, and last November at the ballot box they let the lib-retards in the lame-stream media know that they ain't going to take their lies anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcHMJlE7OM Originally Posted by I B Hankering
I agree that the media is liberal biased. Thats a fact I cant ignore. I dont try to defend non facts as facts

Donald Trump has been proven wrong or out right lying about hundreds of things. Yet you Trump people NEVER admit hes lied, is lying or done anything wrong

Thats the double standard of the right
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  • 07-21-2017, 11:17 AM

Thats the double standard of the right Originally Posted by themystic
Both sides have double standards...it is called bias.

Trump is just the product of a pendulum swing....just like Obama was. It will swing back eventually. Always does.
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Both sides have double standards...it is called bias.

Trump is just the product of a pendulum swing....just like Obama was. It will swing back eventually. Always does. Originally Posted by WTF
So true. I just dont think this pendulum is going to make it 8 years
If you believe the leftwing fascist blogs, the most important feature of Trump's presidency has been meetings his children attended in the middle of last year with Russian lobbyist.

Trump has followed through on the Paris climate change agreement, which has led to the enlightenment that the major contribution of the US to that agreement was fund transfers to second world countries(search for Erdogan). The net effect of this action will be huge and positive the for the US. The underlying agreement was unconstitutional(fascist) in intent, in that is effectively committed the US to a substantial treaty without approval by 2/3 of the senate. Show me one news story in the leftist press machine that discussed these effects in any detail.

Trump instigated a major policy change in the countries of the Arabian gulf, highlighting that the funding of terrorist groups is coming from the ruling parties in those countries. Show me one news story in the leftist press machine that discussed these effects in any detail. Tillerson is embarking on a major diplomatic effort, and it is being utterly ignored.

The positive aspects of the effort to enforce immigration laws are being swamped by hate articles in the left wing blogs.

The North Dakota pipeline was halted in a clearly unconstitutional way by the Obama administration. The mechanism by which they halted it was fascist. The net effect of Trump over-riding that action was that oil is being transported from North Dakota in a far safer, more efficient way that is saving 100's of millions of dollars per year(of a which a large portion is collected in taxes), and increasing domestic energy production by 100's of kbpd(also resulting in an increase in collected taxes). More importantly, that action demonstrated to the domestic manufacturing industry that the rule of law has been re-instigated for at least 4 years, after 8 years of fascism. Show me where the positive aspects of this are being proffered, and I'll show you 50 times as much perverse negative publicity(Trump refuses to declare the pipeline a disaster)


You are correct that you are seeing all the news you want to see. You just aren't seeing the truth being distributed. The left wing blogs are now wholey opinion papers. Nothing that they write should ever be considered comprehensive.
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  • 07-21-2017, 11:59 AM

Trump instigated a major policy change in the countries of the Arabian gulf, highlighting that the funding of terrorist groups is coming from the ruling parties in those countries. Show me one news story in the leftist press machine that discussed these effects in any detail. Tillerson is embarking on a major diplomatic effort, and it is being utterly ignored.

. Originally Posted by kehaar
Qatar? You mean the country that turned down a loan to Trumps son in law and then Trump fell for a fake news report and used that as a justification to punish Qatar?

SOB is just as crooked as Clinton


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If you believe the leftwing fascist blogs, the most important feature of Trump's presidency has been meetings his children attended in the middle of last year with Russian lobbyist.

Trump has followed through on the Paris climate change agreement, which has led to the enlightenment that the major contribution of the US to that agreement was fund transfers to second world countries(search for Erdogan). The net effect of this action will be huge and positive the for the US. The underlying agreement was unconstitutional(fascist) in intent, in that is effectively committed the US to a substantial treaty without approval by 2/3 of the senate. Show me one news story in the leftist press machine that discussed these effects in any detail.

Trump instigated a major policy change in the countries of the Arabian gulf, highlighting that the funding of terrorist groups is coming from the ruling parties in those countries. Show me one news story in the leftist press machine that discussed these effects in any detail. Tillerson is embarking on a major diplomatic effort, and it is being utterly ignored.

The positive aspects of the effort to enforce immigration laws are being swamped by hate articles in the left wing blogs.

The North Dakota pipeline was halted in a clearly unconstitutional way by the Obama administration. The mechanism by which they halted it was fascist. The net effect of Trump over-riding that action was that oil is being transported from North Dakota in a far safer, more efficient way that is saving 100's of millions of dollars per year(of a which a large portion is collected in taxes), and increasing domestic energy production by 100's of kbpd(also resulting in an increase in collected taxes). More importantly, that action demonstrated to the domestic manufacturing industry that the rule of law has been re-instigated for at least 4 years, after 8 years of fascism. Show me where the positive aspects of this are being proffered, and I'll show you 50 times as much perverse negative publicity(Trump refuses to declare the pipeline a disaster)


You are correct that you are seeing all the news you want to see. You just aren't seeing the truth being distributed. The left wing blogs are now wholey opinion papers. Nothing that they write should ever be considered comprehensive. Originally Posted by kehaar
keehar, all due respect, and I do respect your opinion, the stuff you mentioned above, hummm

Paris Climate- Why dont we just hand over world leadership to the Chinese. Are you one of those ceationists who insists the worlds 5,000 years old. Climate change is a liberal conspiricy that has 99% of scientists in on

Big Oil-Arabian Countries- Is the Donald going to go look at "Globes" and show off his "foreigner wife", with the Saudis, or is he going to call them out for thier involvement in 911? Wonder how much he has in investments with them

Big Oil-Rex Tillerson- Trump did sign an Executive order that says oil companies dont have to disclose which governments they bribe. Nice perk. What "secret" diplomacy is he working on?. The man hasnt said 3 fucking words as SS-(no pun intended)

Big Oil- Dakota Pipeline- The company thats doing that pipline is here in Dallas. Score one for the Home Team!. Just how is this benefiting Joe American. Gas will be a nickel a gallon cheaper. BTW fuck the Indians and the Enviornment

You are not the keeper of the Truth
keehar, all due respect, and I do respect your opinion, the stuff you mentioned above, hummm

Paris Climate- Why dont we just hand over world leadership to the Chinese. Are you one of those ceationists who insists the worlds 5,000 years old. Climate change is a liberal conspiricy that has 99% of scientists in on

Big Oil-Arabian Countries- Is the Donald going to go look at "Globes" and show off his "foreigner wife", with the Saudis, or is he going to call them out for thier involvement in 911? Wonder how much he has in investments with them

Big Oil-Rex Tillerson- Trump did sign an Executive order that says oil companies dont have to disclose which governments they bribe. Nice perk. What "secret" diplomacy is he working on?. The man hasnt said 3 fucking words as SS-(no pun intended)

Big Oil- Dakota Pipeline- The company thats doing that pipline is here in Dallas. Score one for the Home Team!. Just how is this benefiting Joe American. Gas will be a nickel a gallon cheaper. BTW fuck the Indians and the Enviornment

You are not the keeper of the Truth Originally Posted by themystic
And therein lies the point. The leftist blogs toe the line on your thought process. Anything outside of that thought process is buried, and upheld to scorn. If a "news" organization only proffers one side of the information, it is no longer news, but propaganda. The fact is that the NYT, and CNN are essentially 100% Democrats, who claim impartiality because they are professionals. Any reasonable person would call such things as bullshit, but that is the unchallenged rationalizations every time the clear media bias is discussed.

I call bullshit, and call the people who would dispute that bullshitting propagandist.
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And therein lies the point. The leftist blogs toe the line on your thought process. Anything outside of that thought process is buried, and upheld to scorn. If a "news" organization only proffers one side of the information, it is no longer news, but propaganda. The fact is that the NYT, and CNN are essentially 100% Democrats, who claim impartiality because they are professionals. Any reasonable person would call such things as bullshit, but that is the unchallenged rationalizations every time the clear media bias is discussed.

I call bullshit, and call the people who would dispute that bullshitting propagandist. Originally Posted by kehaar
ok kehaar. fair enough
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I agree that the media is liberal biased. Thats a fact I cant ignore. I dont try to defend non facts as facts

Donald Trump has been proven wrong or out right lying about hundreds of things. Yet you Trump people NEVER admit hes lied, is lying or done anything wrong

Thats the double standard of the right
Originally Posted by themystic

Substantively proving that you and your lib-retard ilk are lying is first and foremost proving that you and your lib-retard ilk are lying, mistake.


The funny part is that, by competing with Rush, a complete nutjob, the leftwing blogs have turned themselves into Rush.

I do agree that Trump lies, all the time, about big things and little things. In his defense, Trump's personal lies are the stupid and clearly identifiable kind(the kind that 4 year olds tell). The lies told by some of the idiots who surround him are more sinister, but still likely to be uncovered. I think lying by the president is bad for our country.

The lies told by the left are deep, systematic, and intended to drastically change the course of our country's development.
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The funny part is that, by competing with Rush, a complete nutjob, the leftwing blogs have turned themselves into Rush. Originally Posted by kehaar
both sides are out of bounds kehaar. but the truth is not in the middle

the truth is in the truth

trump wants everything but the truth