Just "40 years"? (Then you KNOW "LEED" didn't exist 40 years ago!)
I’ve been involved in commercial construction for over 40 years. You’re wrong. Originally Posted by themystic
Actually, I'm not clear what the point is that it "looks" like a prison.The back perimeter of these schools also have wire fences. Some of them are fairly high. But don't have razor wire, control gates and doubled walled no mans land.
This looks like a prison to me ...
The Federal Women's Unit in Bryan, which was built on the old Allen Military Academy campus used to not have a fence around it (I have not seen it in years [if it is even there any more!], but it did have a yellow line around the campus .... you didn't cross the line.
As for windows ... doesn't it annoy you when you are attempting to convey information to someone and they are looking out the window?
Again, I believe the minimal windows look is more an environmental/energy interest consistent with the EPA information I posted ... Additionally, it might reduce the cost of replacing window glass from vandalism from the outside as well as from the inside. It's just more cost efficient.
The windows in the Broward school were hurricane rated in thickness. Cruz tried to shoot one out on the 2nd floor and only punched some holes in it with the rifle. The glass remained intact.
This would have discouraged Cruze from entering the campus ...
Originally Posted by LexusLover
Back in the day, when we used to walk to school - uphill both ways in deep snow, The classrooms had doors and windows that could open. Many didn't have air conditioning. Today you have classrooms with a single door and energy efficient windows that don't open. Oft times they are bullet resistant.Right, my point being that we've probably done 95% of what is socially acceptable in making the school physically secure. Go pick up you kids at school? I've had to be buzzed in the last 5 years and go thru an airlock.
Unfortunately, this creates a space with only a single way in and out, known commonly as a Death Funnel. If a perp makes it into the room it's likely noone else makes it out - unless you happen to have a well trained and armed teacher inside. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
Back in the day, when we used to walk to school - uphill both ways in deep snow, The classrooms had doors and windows that could open. Many didn't have air conditioning. Today you have classrooms with a single door and energy efficient windows that don't open. Oft times they are bullet resistant.It's amazing how people modify reality to suit their agenda.
Unfortunately, this creates a space with only a single way in and out, known commonly as a Death Funnel. If a perp makes it into the room it's likely noone else makes it out - unless you happen to have a well trained and armed teacher inside. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
The back perimeter of these schools also have wire fences. Some of them are fairly high. But don't have razor wire, control gates and doubled walled no mans land.High fences make good neighbors. I suppose one has to walk the fence line around these "prison looking" schools to determine the purpose of the fence ... "keep in" or "keep out" ... or "both"? My EXPERIENCE has been both purposes in one fence ... because both results were disruptive and inappropriate for an academic learning environment. But I always viewed "going to school" to be to learn shit so I could graduate.
Right, my point being that we've probably done 95% of what is socially acceptable in making the school physically secure. Go pick up you kids at school? I've had to be buzzed in the last 5 years and go thru an airlock. Originally Posted by gnadfly
High fences make good neighbors. I suppose one has to walk the fence line around these "prison looking" schools to determine the purpose of the fence ... "keep in" or "keep out" ... or "both"?.
I'm sure when you drop your kids off at school you tell them to not leave the school until you come and get them, and they follow your instructions everyday without exception. And if that's the case that's good! Unfortunately, not EVERYONE has obedient kids!
So the school district has to pay for a "truant officer" to track down those kids who leave the school or just don't show up like they tell their parents they are going to do.
And also not everyone respects "boundaries" and "borders"! So having challenging fences (and walls?) around one's property is made necessary by people who TRESPASS OR SNEAK INTO THE PROPERTY! I can recall only one place I've lived that didn't have a fence to discourage unwanted guests from coming on the property .... and we had a pitbull that ran freely around in the area surrounding the residence. He didn't like intruders: 4 or 2 legs.
Does that make it a "prison"? No! Is it herding cats? YES!
BTW: When the "well-trained" gun-totting teacher is sick for a day or two (or has some other family emergency) does the district hire a "well-trained" gun-totting sub to fill in for the absent "well-trained" gun-totting teacher? Originally Posted by LexusLover
.How would you know? Or are you just making up shit again?
Fear monger. Lol. You’re just a scared old man. Stay home Lex. Make yourself a prisoner Originally Posted by themystic
So can we expect wtf to blame the teacher for HIS 14 YEARS in pre-K and STILL no graduation??? Originally Posted by Rey LenguaMaybe if more schools got BACK TO THE practice of holding kids back, who don't deserve (cause of grades etc) to graduate to the next grade higher, WE MIGHT slowly turn around the stupidity of the current generation.
Maybe if more schools got BACK TO THE practice of holding kids back, who don't deserve (cause of grades etc) to graduate to the next grade higher, WE MIGHT slowly turn around the stupidity of the current generation. Originally Posted by garhkalHave you ever sat in a meeting of school officials discussing "social promotions"? It starts out with how many are coming up from "below" to how many "chairs" do we have, and then who stays and who goes. Believe it or not! The "good ones" remain held back and the turds get pushed along down the "tube" headed for the door! It's a numbers game and all can't stay and all can't go! Like hospitals decide who is sick enough to be "hospitalized" based on the number of beds!
I'm just academically curious.Only a small portion of Americans think it is a good idea. And yes teachers having guns would be within the boundaries of a well regulated militia, or at least until it proves to be a disaster. LOL!
How do you KNOW how "most people" feel or don't feel about anything? Most particularly that teachers "having guns is within being a well regulated militia" or not?
Will move on to the actual interpretations by the SCOTUS. Originally Posted by LexusLover
“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…”. It is “…not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”
“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ”
The court even recognizes a long-standing judicial precedent “…to consider… prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons.”
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="3"]Wait! You are going to "mansplain" what to me?
When you "move on" to what the SCOTUS has to say why don't you start with the first time they ruled on it.
If you have to have it "mansplained", .... Originally Posted by MT Pockets
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.But if you want to be a "strict constructionist" and "assume" that the right to "bear arms" was given in the 2nd amendment for the purpose of arming a "well regulated Militia" as a "necessary to the security of a free State" then there exists a "right of the people to keep and bear arms" that would adequately defend them against the weapons of the government, which the government elects to unleash upon "the People" to deprive them of "a free State"!
How would you know? Or are you just making up shit again?Lex , anytime you don’t like something you reply, “how would you know” or some such bullshit. Everyone or a lot of people know you’re an asshole. Like I said though, you’re our asshole. Love you Brother
Did you say you were "involved in commercial construction"?
Let's see ...
"involved in commercial construction" and
don't know English!
Are you one of the "Dreamers"?
Or did you just get here? Originally Posted by LexusLover
It's amazing how people modify reality to suit their agenda. Originally Posted by LexusLoverIs that supposed to have any discernible meaning? Aren't you proposing modifying existing reality?!? Isn't that the point of the whole discussion, to change existing reality?!? Or is your plan to take yer chances with lives in existing schools and only fortify new ones as they are built, off in the distant future reality?!?
How many classrooms in a public school have you seen in your lifetime with two doors (and I'm excluding a closet door inside the room)? Originally Posted by LexusLoverSeveral, typical auditoriums, gymnasiums have multiple doors as do some older, bigger ones - think of some of those divided classrooms with partitions in the middle. But that wasn't what I meant Einstein. The windows were exit points, if need be. Did the critical thinking horse leave the barn without you today?
What is "well-trained"? Originally Posted by LexusLoverWell.. it sure as ch*te ain't Broward County Sheriff trained or managed. First, it should include - wait for it... asking the existing staff what level of training they already have. Next would be asking new applicants. BTW: human nature being what it is, some qualified candidates may decline to include that information. Either way, a skills assessment and gap analysis can likely be built off of existing potential. Otherwise, it could include basic NRA safety training to start. Though I would advocate strongly against trying to start with completely green wood. Add in CC, tactical and physiological prep.
Lex , anytime you don’t like something you reply, “how would you know” or some such bullshit. Originally Posted by themysticThat's not a true statement. I reply "how would you know" when someone as dumb as you pretends they know me by discussing my "character" ... and those people that actually know me realize I'm not an "asshole," but I can be one on occasion.
Aren't you proposing modifying existing reality?!? Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_DoHanding a firearm with the requisite responsibility to a teacher may be proposing a change to "existing reality," but it makes zero sense when the school district has a standing police officer ....
