Lol n wtf?.. You actually admit you're from Pittsburg and grew up with all that lead from the still mills on your brain? That explains a lot. That would make a trump hugger really waco Originally Posted by TsmokiesLOL. really getting under your skin apparently. What does any of that have to do with the thread.
Sometimes you make it really hard to follow whatever your point is.
I think everyone, especially HF and myself, agrees with you that federal prosecutors and others (FBI g-men) should be held accountable. They are NOT above the law. That's exactly why we need to go after Comey, Brennan et al. for abusing the FISA process to spy on a political campaign.
But then you go off in the opposite direction calling AG Barr "corrupt". Far from being corrupt, Barr is the Eliot Ness of the DOJ. He's the one who was brought in to root out corruption and make sure nothing of this sort ever happens again. And that means to EITHER side. Not just my side or your side.
AG Barr, aka Eliot Ness, told Congress "I think spying on a political campaign is a BIG DEAL."
He didn't say I think spying on one side's political campaign is a big deal, but spying on the other side's political campaign isn't a big deal.
The infamous 1972 Watergate break-in was an attempt to spy on the Democrats campaign. It was such a BIG DEAL that it led to Nixon's resignation from the Presidency two years later. The 2016 FISA scandal was an attempt to spy on the Republican campaign. In some ways it was an even BIGGER DEAL than Watergate, considering how the perpetrators directly enlisted the machinery of the federal government and subverted the judiciary to do their dirty work, instead of just hiring the job out to a crew of outside "plumbers" for plausible deniability.
Get it now? Originally Posted by lustylad
Sometimes you make it really hard to follow whatever your point is.Let's play the "what if" game. What do you think the worse case scenario is? Or would be?
I think everyone, especially HF and myself, agrees with you that federal prosecutors and others (FBI g-men) should be held accountable. They are NOT above the law. That's exactly why we need to go after Comey, Brennan et al. for abusing the FISA process to spy on a political campaign.
But then you go off in the opposite direction calling AG Barr "corrupt". Far from being corrupt, Barr is the Eliot Ness of the DOJ. He's the one who was brought in to root out corruption and make sure nothing of this sort ever happens again. And that means to EITHER side. Not just my side or your side.
AG Barr, aka Eliot Ness, told Congress "I think spying on a political campaign is a BIG DEAL."
He didn't say I think spying on one side's political campaign is a big deal, but spying on the other side's political campaign isn't a big deal.
The infamous 1972 Watergate break-in was an attempt to spy on the Democrats campaign. It was such a BIG DEAL that it led to Nixon's resignation from the Presidency two years later. The 2016 FISA scandal was an attempt to spy on the Republican campaign. In some ways it was an even BIGGER DEAL than Watergate, considering how the perpetrators directly enlisted the machinery of the federal government and subverted the judiciary to do their dirty work, instead of just hiring the job out to a crew of outside "plumbers" for plausible deniability.
Get it now?
Originally Posted by lustylad
Excellent post and I too wonder why he doesn't get it. One minute he is saying of course he doesn't want a corrupt FBI and in the next breath, it's not a story he is interested in because it is about White people and their White privilege. I have no idea what he believes or what the hell he is talking about. And your understanding of what Barr is doing is spot on.The DOJ has always been corrupt. I'm way over your heads in this discussion. Looking above and beyond. Leading from behind.
So I have to wonder, does he really not understand the discussion or is it all about deflection because he doesn't want this to impact the narrative he is so invested in. Originally Posted by HedonistForever
Let's play the "what if" game. What do you think the worse case scenario is? Or would be?
Watergate came directly from the president. How the fuck is this a "BIGGER DEAL" if it was only in the DOJ?
The DOJ has always been corrupt. I'm way over your heads in this discussion. Looking above and beyond. Leading from behind.
Originally Posted by eccieuser9500
With only days until Donald Trump takes office, the Obama administration on Thursday announced new rules that will let the NSA share vast amounts of private data gathered without warrant, court orders or congressional authorization with 16 other agencies, including the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and the Department of Homeland Security.
The new rules allow employees doing intelligence work for those agencies to sift through raw data collected under a broad, Reagan-era executive order that gives the NSA virtually unlimited authority to intercept communications abroad. Previously, NSA analysts would filter out information they deemed irrelevant and mask the names of innocent Americans before passing it along.
And you don't care? No way for a "self respecting citizen to act, wouldn't you agree?
The DOJ has always been corrupt.
Originally Posted by eccieuser9500