This is what concerns me: long term damage from the Vaxx.

So the .3 * 36 million is an attempt to estimate the number of folks who had COVID but don't know it for a certainty. Obviously it's an estimate. Originally Posted by texassapper

OK, I'll help you make your point. About 25% of America has been infected by COVID, based on antibody tests. The CDC tracked these through about March or April and then stopped so that's a guess. So you've got 330 million (population) x 0.25 = 82.5 million Americans protected via infection.

167 million have been fully vaccinated. But some of those were infected with COVID. Let's estimate 15%. So then the % protected via previous infection and/or full vaccination would be

(82.5 million + 167 million x (1-0.15))/330 million = 68% of population.

So I think the % is higher than your estimate.

True. But you're also missing the data point that the Delta variant may be more virulent it is LESS deadly hence the switch to talking about the DEAD to the CASES. Who cares if everyone on the planet is infected by flu? It will kill some but it's not as serious of a health risk as drowning or being in a car accident. People break legs too but we don't force everyone to use wheelchairs. Originally Posted by texassapper

See my reply above to Speed Racer, I don't buy that it's less virulent. Otherwise you've got a good point. As more people get vaccinated and more get infected, more will be protected against severe disease. What you're suggesting may be a more likely scenario than elimination of the disease through herd immunity.

You go right ahead. I don't care if you double mask and wear a face shield. But the minute you start telling me I have to wear one, or get vaxxed, or anything else... you can FOAD. (in the nicest possible way) Originally Posted by texassapper

I'm not going to tell you that you have to do either. I can kind of understand the problem many have with the vaccines, because of the misinformation circulating, but the mask thing is harder to understand. When Abbott had the mask mandate in effect, the majority of people in my community masked up, even though they were at "0" risk of every being ticketed or fined by law enforcement. It was kind of like a seat belt or speeding law that wasn't enforced. And it was a good thing IMHO when COVID was running rampant. Now that it's running rampant again, I don't think it would be a bad idea to leave it up to the communities and the school boards as to whether they want to have mask mandates.

The idea that it's worth starting a revolution on account of mask mandates that aren't enforced is crazy. I'm not saying you'd be one to do that.

Oh, look what popped up….

https://t.me/BoldSpearElmerFudd/38892

JesusFcuking Christ on a Crutch.

The journal article can be found here

Conclusion: Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviralcompounds.

The FCUKERS HAD THE CURE ALL ALONG IF THIS IS TRUE

JesusFcuking Christ on a Crutch.

The journal article can be found here


That is a hell of a scientific reference. Too much for me.


The FCUKERS HAD THE CURE ALL ALONG IF THIS IS TRUE Originally Posted by texassapper

If this is true, and I don't believe in ifs, then that still doesn't explain why he would say drinking chlorine would help.

Its not a cure-- much like Ivermectin and the folks who believe in it.. its a therapeutic.. kind of along the same lines as taking TheraFlu-- it won't cure it.. but it can help alleviate symptoms.

Its not a cure-- much like Ivermectin and the folks who believe in it.. its a therapeutic.. kind of along the same lines as taking TheraFlu-- it won't cure it.. but it can help alleviate symptoms. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Like your legs, therapeutics make me feel better even if they don't cure the cause.

Its not a cure-- much like Ivermectin and the folks who believe in it.. its a therapeutic.. kind of along the same lines as taking TheraFlu-- it won't cure it.. but it can help alleviate symptoms. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Yes, but headline writers only have so much space....

But I thought the medical community poopooed HCQ? And the reason they did was because of money. There's no way to get an EUA if there is an existing therapeutic treatment. So... all the Billions that Big Pharma is reaping would never have happened.

JFC... This is the smoking gun that the EUA, the vaccine, all of it is just bullshit theft, fraud, conspiracy.

Slam you? No I simply stated you were wrong. There is data. That data is just as valid today as when it was collected.

I will slam you as a fucktard because you apparently don't understand what the word contagious means. (I'll let you google it yourself)

YES.... MORE CONTAGIOUS, LESS DEADLY..... EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE THE FIRST TIME.

You claim there was no evidence, I presented it, and you say it's not relevant because FUCK YOU THATS WHY.

That's why everyone is in a kerfuffle about CASES now and not DEATHS... because the CDC KNOWS it's less deadly but that won't get dumbshits to mask up and get vaxxed.

FOLLOW THE SCIENCE YOU FCUKING TWIT. It's NOT HARD TO DO. Originally Posted by texassapper

Hey OEB. You have accused me several times of being disrespectful of others on this forum. Please read texassapper's post again and tell me if I've ever come close to the disrespect shown by him. I do no believe in using the RTM button but if I did, this would be the time I would.

texassapper, we both agree that the Delta variant is more contagious. You presented a single piece of evidence that is rather dated and limited in scope that shows the Delta variant is less deadly. I have presented the opinion of scientists who say it is too early to make such statements. Based on one article you have come to a conclusion. You may turn out to be correct but as of today the information available is inconclusive.

"It's also unclear how the death rate from the delta variant compares with that from other variants. The overall case-fatality ratio (the number of deaths divided by the total number of cases) for COVID-19 in the U.S. since the beginning of the pandemic is 1.7%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. However, this fatality rate includes deaths long before the availability of COVID-19 vaccines. Since the delta variant took off in the U.S. after the availability of vaccines, it's difficult to compare deaths from delta with historical deaths from earlier variants — the fatality rate for all variants is expected to drop as a result of vaccinations, according to The Poynter Institute.

What is clear is that current COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of infection, severe disease and death from the novel coronavirus, including the delta variant. Using data on the current rate of COVID-19 infections in the U.S., the CDC estimates that fully vaccinated people are eight times less likely to have a symptomatic infection, 25 times less likely to be hospitalized, and 24 times less likely to die from COVID-19 infection than those who are unvaccinated."


https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...-severity.html

I could continue t0 present humdreds of facts fromm scienists and medical experts concerning all variants of the virus which show beyond doubt the effectiveness of the various vaccines. That is following science. Not making statements like the CDC is covering up data because it fits your POV.

Yes, but headline writers only have so much space....

But I thought the medical community poopooed HCQ? And the reason they did was because of money. There's no way to get an EUA if there is an existing therapeutic treatment. So... all the Billions that Big Pharma is reaping would never have happened.

JFC... This is the smoking gun that the EUA, the vaccine, all of it is just bullshit theft, fraud, conspiracy. Originally Posted by texassapper

The reason that HCQ is "poopooed" was that there have been no studies done that prove that it is effective in treating COVID-19. Plain and simple.

I can state that taking 2 aspirin is an effective treatment for COVID-19. Doesn't make it true.

White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said that all the “valid” scientific data shows hydroxychloroquine isn’t effective in treating Covid-19.

Fauci said that the public has “got to follow the science,” adding, “if a study that’s good comes out and shows efficacy and safety for hydroxychloroquine or any other drug that we do ... you accept the scientific data.

“You look at the scientific data and the evidence. And the scientific data ... on trials that are valid, that were randomized and controlled in the proper way, all of those trials show consistently that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment of coronavirus disease or Covid-19,” the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said during an interview on MSNBC.”

Follow the science.

The reason that HCQ is "poopooed" was that there have been no studies done that prove that it is effective in treating COVID-19. Plain and simple. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

JesusFcuking Christ on a Crutch.

The journal article can be found here

FFS read... there's the study... done in 2005. By the NIH.

If this is true, and I don't believe in ifs, then that still doesn't explain why he would say drinking chlorine would help. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Read teh transcript - You parrot communist propaganda - 95 and zeroes.

Which is all One believes - Marx, engles, lenin, stalin, mao, and Castros - ( do love teh Castro pretty boys)


Trump never said any such thing
Typical DPST

enjoy teh image of President Trump!

The reason that HCQ is "poopooed" was that there have been no studies done that prove that it is effective in treating COVID-19. Plain and simple.

I can state that taking 2 aspirin is an effective treatment for COVID-19. Doesn't make it true.

White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said that all the “valid” scientific data shows hydroxychloroquine isn’t effective in treating Covid-19.

Fauci said that the public has “got to follow the science,” adding, “if a study that’s good comes out and shows efficacy and safety for hydroxychloroquine or any other drug that we do ... you accept the scientific data.

“You look at the scientific data and the evidence. And the scientific data ... on trials that are valid, that were randomized and controlled in the proper way, all of those trials show consistently that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment of coronavirus disease or Covid-19,” the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said during an interview on MSNBC.”

Follow the science. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

follow fauci DPST propaganda science - three masks, vaccinate babies to the dying elderly regardless , and more taxes for the DPST party

Thank u - SR.

Relayed earlier, but starting to get more notice. Originally Posted by texassapper

Once again, an unreliable source is cited by a marginal news paper (the World Tribune?) and is posted here by an unreliable mental patient.

Worried about long term problems? Then worry about Covid. It appears to cause long term mental dysfunction equivalent to losing 2 or 3 IQ points.

And God knows, you don't have any to spare.

Read teh transcript - You parrot communist propaganda - 95 and zeroes.

Which is all One believes - Marx, engles, lenin, stalin, mao, and Castros - ( do love teh Castro pretty boys)


Trump never said any such thing
Typical DPST

enjoy teh image of President Trump!


Originally Posted by oeb11

Technically correct. Trump never said to ingest bleach. He said that perhaps an injection inside the body with a disinfectant like bleach or isopropyl alcohol could help combat the virus. So yes-- he never said to ingest bleach... he suggested to inject disinfectants..... then later walked the comment back as a "joke".


The problem wasn't in him saying it. Not even slightly-- because if you listen to what he said, then its clear that he's trying to match up what cleaning solvents can do to the virus on a surface with finding something that would work similarly in the human body. The problem comes in when people with lower education take his word at face value rather than listening to what he's trying to say... and attempt to "put disinfectants in their bodies".

The problem comes in when people with lower education take his word at face value rather than listening to what he's trying to say... and attempt to "put disinfectants in their bodies". Originally Posted by Grace Preston

lol. So we should judge our representatives by how they communicate with the stupidest among the electorate? Well that explains Democrats…