Mind boggling that everyone seems to be worth $800 plus these days

Let's look at the numbers/math
Over a 1200 profiles for Dallas...
46 has 800Hour
-13 touring
=33 Total

You can absolutely compare sugaring to providers. Sugaring is something you can do instead of seeing a provider. Providers like to say you're a splenda daddy or not a real daddy because you see a lady 5 times for 800 instead of paying 800 for one hour... Um, who cares? Some providers think real sugar daddies buy ladies houses. I think I can buy dinner and get panties to drop. Maybe I'm a fake daddy. In the 90s they'd call me a mac daddy

It was a reasonable question in my book. I don't pay attention to what other ladies are doing, charging, or where they are from or actively working. Why? Because it doesn't affect what I'm going to do one tiny bit. I've received actual flack and BS from others about my rates in the past. Hell, I even had one provider that I considered a "friend" tell one of my other running buddies that they shouldn't work with me because my cheap rates would "ruin their reputation". That was the exact moment I decided I would never give a damn about what others are doing.


Yeah-- there are a lot of ladies in my age/weight class that charge a lot more than I do. That's their business. And honestly, it has little impact on mine. I prefer to see the same great guys at reasonable rates and not have to worry too much about what is on the other side of the door.


Sugaring has lots of different ways to play-- if you're asking for exclusivity from a baby- -then yes, there are certain expectations. But the babies that are cool with getting a set amount of cash for a set amount of sessions are often seeing 3-4 dudes. That's perfectly valid.

A quick search on P411 shows there are 33 girls currently at or above 800 in the Dallas market....


Of those--- 11 are running visiting ads in Dallas-- bringing us down to 22 girls. Out of those 22 girls-- 2 of them haven't checked their accounts in over a week. Another 2 I know to be long time, established ladies in DFW. At least half offer some form of P411 promotion.


22 local ladies out of 308--- not even 10%. Heck.. even if we include the traveling ladies-- its still barely over 10%.



I'm choosing P411 for my data search, because I'm seeing a LOT of ladies on Tryst are really just trying to advertise their OF or other camsites and have rates intentionally high to discourage (or inccentivize for them) in person meets. Plus-- P411 has a requirement that you make your rates there the lowest you offfer-- which gives a bit more insight into pricing in general.

unless you go pole, errrr poll all the providers and women being sugar babies and then go poll all the guys that visit them,

anything we post about SB, providers, & guys is just a bunch of "well, i heard...".
there might be some pretty accurate single point data research, but even that is suspect.

providers and sugar babies are gonna charge what they want, see who they want when they want, do what they want, and attempt to get as much cash in return.

guys are gonna pay what they want, see who they want and when they want, do what they want, and attempt to pay as little cash in return.

nothing we say or guess is gonna change that.

so, just figure out how much you wanna charge or how much you wanna pay for "companionship" and go have some delites.
and leave others to make their own choice.

attitude and attention to appearance go along way.

I've seen ads for women claiming to be in their 30s, when they are clearly in their 40s and had a Rough 30s.

I've had some of the best times with a down to earth 50 year old who looks like shes in her 40s but gives me more attention than a nurse or therapist.

in the end, I'm willing to pay for QUALITY. that's applies to either one or both of appearance or attitude.


too many girls cheap out on basics (basics being eating healthy, moisturizing, no smoking, get sunlight and some daily excercise while laying off of excess booze or other party favors)
or they cheap out on lowest cost boob and lip jobs that look like shit.

the ones that do invest in the basics or advanced surgery can go a long way and command those higher rates.

she's not a provider, but i appreciate the lengths she went to:

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/98...risking-death/

attitude and attention to appearance go along way.

I've seen ads for women claiming to be in their 30s, when they are clearly in their 40s and had a Rough 30s.

I've had some of the best times with a down to earth 50 year old who looks like shes in her 40s but gives me more attention than a nurse or therapist.

in the end, I'm willing to pay for QUALITY. that's applies to either one or both of appearance or attitude.


too many girls cheap out on basics (basics being eating healthy, moisturizing, no smoking, get sunlight and some daily excercise while laying off of excess booze or other party favors)
or they cheap out on lowest cost boob and lip jobs that look like shit.

the ones that do invest in the basics or advanced surgery can go a long way and command those higher rates.

she's not a provider, but i appreciate the lengths she went to:

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/98...risking-death/ Originally Posted by nookiebandit

There are some big facts in this as well. I've always enjoyed looking young for my age-- it wasn't until chemo that I actually started looking like I'm in my 40's-- and I'm getting close to 50 at this point. Never got into the booze or other... activities-- so that helped immensely. I'm likely to do a couple of "maintenance" procedures in the next year or so to maintain my looks as time marches on... but I'm super picky about who to go to because once you fuck up your face, its hard to get it back.



I always made it a point to be 1.--- honest about my age. I loved the "But you don't look __ comments" and 2.-- honest about my weight. So many ladies aren't-- so I still end up being smaller than expected when I open the door. Kinda fits into the whole mantra of under promise and over deliver.

... Kinda fits into the whole mantra of under promise and over deliver. Originally Posted by TalliaThomas

That's why you're successful in this hobby!!

This is why I only go to AMPs now. 120 for a nice massage and an exploding HAppy ending is waayyyyy better than 800 for a lady laying there like a fish lmao. I basically have quitted the hobby. I rather put 800 bucks in a stock market or try my luck with tinder.

I do consider sugar babies to be very different than escorts. With sugar babies, there’s more effort on the guy’s part but the rewards are usually better. With escorts, you know what you’re getting generally and you don’t have to pretend that Taylor Swift’s last album was profound.

I definitely agree with the above. I’d rather put $800 in a nice index fund and let it grow over time. Ideally you could just fuck hookers from the dividends you collect from the stock market. There are guys who max out credit cards, empty their bank accounts, and pawn off valuables just to see escorts. I don’t get it but people have different value sets.

There are reasons why guys look elsewhere to get laid other than seeing advertised providers. One reason is, the value of seeing a provider has just about lost its shine. I seriously doubt providers who say they have lots of regular clients actually do. After all, they would not be on whore boards constantly replying to threads, even when their opinion is not asked for, they have to give it as they have nothing better to do.

While it is true that there are lots of providers out there that do not charge $600-800/hr to see them, most of those, are ones he probably would not see unless she paid him. Guys do not see providers just because they are there to see, they have their own standards that they want to meet for the money they spend, be it looks, location of incall, services provided, ect.

Getting back to the original post, it is totally fair to give an opinion about donation prices without getting lambasted for doing so. I know everyone has to think alike or be in the doghouse, but I would rather be an outcast then to be told what to say and think on a supposedly opinionated internet board.

This goes back to my second post. No provider is going to say that they don’t get much business at $800 an hour because it just opens up the possibility for negotiation. They need to make johns think that they’re making big bank. No provider wants to pretend they’re not making big cash unless they’re trying to scam a john by claiming to have a flat tire or run out of gas. I get it, that’s just the game.

The providers who get enough business to keep their rates high, do so because the guys paying it ARE simps. Ask yourself, how many smart businessmen who make or have lots of money, buy things that are 3 times or more the price it should be just because it is their money to spend? The correct answer is ZERO. They are they eventually going to be broke or living paycheck to paycheck, contacting their mortgage company saying they are going to be late this month on the payment because they had to see a few hookers this last month whose donations were over $800/hr!

I know it is hard to believe, but guys have bills to pay as well and the only guys that seem to defend higher donation prices for providers are the guys that may hobby a few times a year at most. And, if you factor in the service factor, which has steadily gone downhill over the last couple of decades (a few providers have even admitted that other providers tell them that they should raise their donations and lower their service skills for the "simp" hobbyists), the higher donation prices are even worse when it comes to VALUE for the money, I do not care how much money anyone has. Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

You know nothing about what higher end clients think and don't think. That isn't your weight class or division.

Stick with complaining about IOP. Trying to claim you have any idea about what the high class client set feels about payment for services is quite comical coming from you.

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You know nothing about what higher end clients think and don't think. That isn't your weight class or division.

Stick with complaining about IOP. Trying to claim you have any idea about what the high class client set feels about payment for services is quite comical coming from you. Originally Posted by Boltfan

Boltfan for the win!!