Provider's Rates: Self worth vs Perceived Value

Deerhunter hit the nail on the head. THis thread has turned into a train wreck H e also was spot on why Originally Posted by JESSE JAMES
A, it's deArhunter. And B, he didn't say it; Enderwiggen did.

"OLD broken down whores convinced of their own special brand of genius." Originally Posted by JESSE JAMES
Ya, ya, ya broken down old whore. Slow boats to China. Mars. Whatever. This is all really clever stuff. Usually you throw in the yo or dude. You're lingo sound like a 21 year old banger, but your insults sound like they came from the WWII era.

The thread has now hit rock bottom with a venal unwarranted attack on Blowpop I CANT BELIEVE THE UNMITIGATED GALL OF SOME PEOPLE. The man is a eccie M.V.P. Originally Posted by JESSE JAMES
He's a grifter. Haven't you seen the threads? He's a grifter and a shoplifter. You must be too if you dig his "work".

In a down economy the man educates his fellow members on where the most economical B.J.s aroundl Originally Posted by JESSE JAMES
Do you even live in Houston? The economy is booming. Construction has gone MAD! Lumber is up almost 50%. I had a house on the market for three days before I had four offers at my asking price. Maybe you are the 90 year old WWII vet after all. I think the banger lingo is a cover for, you know, less than manly attributes.

What a cheap shot at a thought ful, considerate board member N ame calling ? Where is Wakeup when we need him? Originally Posted by JESSE JAMES
You're killing me!

Blowpop my man Don't pay any attention to this malicious calumny Just consider the source Originally Posted by JESSE JAMES
Yo, how many posts do you have about me anyway Hommie.
Thank you for your clear concise perception of life...
You may find it is more entertaining if one does not generate untrue, hateful ideas of others. Particularly if your position in the dispute with that person is factually or logically unsustainable.
Knowing Blowpop personally, I would not believe he would be a thief/grifter any more than I would believe that you were a Jesuit priest.

Regardless of what you think...it is not about ripping off the lady of interest. None of us consider women to be valueless...
We may have some disagreement with the value YOU assign...try to remember that price is set by what the market will pay for an item...not what the items mommy thinks it is worth.

One irrefutable fact you might consider when writing these rants is that hobbiests like CB, Blowpop, Satin and I were doing the exact same thing years before you were a "working" girl...and have helped many ladies throught some very hard times.

And it seems likely we (and others that use the hobbying methods written years ago) will be doing the same thing long after you exit the scene.

The end of the conversation is always the same.
The people with the money will buy what they want and will set the rules and terms as they wish...or they will not buy from vendors who disagree.
NOTE: There is no pussy shortage in Houston...I know thats a news flash for you.

The people with the services will provide them "for the client" and will try to get the best arrangement that can be had.

It seems a shame to hear you so upset about these issues.
It has always been this way and it has nothing to do with male/female or hobby issues.

Wishing you all the best.
L8r
r9 Originally Posted by rhino9

You're a bottom feeder and are just mad at me because I banned you from my private function FOR ALL THE OBVIOUS REASONS. Peace dude. I would think some of the experinces you've had in life, well specifically in this hobby life, would have taught you some hard lessons. Guess not.

We get it. You think Blowpapi's a swell guy. We get it, you want to find women that are financially strapped and control them that way. I also understand you think you give the best blow job in the whole world. Maybe you do. You run your fucking mouth enough and you do suck. So you don't think, though I doubt it, that women tie their self worth to their rate. Big deal. You're a user, and you are known for it. Trying to convince me that you aren't isn't going to change the minds of everyone else.
It's not $10 or $20 off he's asking for. He's just being stupid. I went to one of the ASPD socials once that they had at that club downtown once. He introduced himself to me and we chatted a while. He got around to asking my rate. I told him when I date it's $350. He asked me how that was working out for me. I told him fine.

Before I could get away he was telling me every lady in the room and then some that has given him a $100 blow job. At this point I was facinated at A, he was saying this at a social, and B, what else he'd say. (I knew was a hobbiest because ladies kept saying hi to him. Guess they needed their lunch money.)

Then, thank you very much, he launched into how to give a blow job. Me. Telling me. A grown ass woman. I just laughed and went about my business. He followed me out at the end of the night. I just got in my SUV and left. Really, the audasity.

So, no, it isn't shaving a little off here and there. He's one of those guys that either fancies himself the smartest guy in the room - and we all know that's not true; the best lover since ever; or the obvious, a guy that likes to degrade women by making them beg.

Am I clear enough now Rhino? Originally Posted by OliviaHoward
Yep, that has been quite awhile ago...but I recall that evening well.

So do others who commented on your straddling me on the couches in the club and playing tonsil hockey for over 30 mins.
There seemed no indication you were trying to "Get Away"..

You are mistaken about my wish to degrade women...
I would never consider any roleplay issues, such as begging or domination with you, I doubt you would understand them.
As for educating you, a grown bigassed woman, on the art of blowjobs... a little instruction never hurts.

You are correct we did leave the club together and walked to your SUV.
You left out the part about where we did get into your black SUV with brown interior and you performed in the back seat...priced as mentioned.

We met a few weeks later at a notell for a session...same price... and that was the last time we met. I believe I can find some pictures of this event if you would like.

Careful about lying about people...it is not reality and one may lose themselves in their own ideas...

L8r
r9
Yep, that has been quite awhile ago...but I recall that evening well.

So do others who commented on your straddling me on the couches in the club and playing tonsil hockey for over 30 mins.
There seemed no indication you were trying to "Get Away".. Originally Posted by rhino9
So, now stay with me ok? So, of all the socials you've been to; the ones you've been invited to not barred from. Out off all things - and some of them are pretty fucking memorable - that have happened, you remember, me? Lil ole me? And so do these mystical "others". Your, out of your mouth, story is that I - me, Olivia Howard, straddled you in public? You? Did you pay me? No. So what makes you think that a I would consider someone like you for free. Someone that told me how to give a blowjob nonetheless, at a hooker party where no doubt, and let's face it, there was no doubt right.......wink, wink, nudge, nudge.................there was the possibility of LE there.

Now, I've been known to give a few kisses.................well actually, very few kisses........................ ..I can remember only one, but there may have been the quickie here and there, but jump on and ride. No. And someone like you? For free? Never.

You are mistaken about my wish to degrade women...
I would never consider any roleplay issues, such as begging or domination with you, I doubt you would understand them.
As for educating you, a grown bigassed woman, on the art of blowjobs... a little instruction never hurts. Originally Posted by rhino9
Really?

You are correct we did leave the club together and walked to your SUV. Originally Posted by rhino9
You left out the part about where we did get into your black SUV with brown interior and you performed in the back seat...priced as mentioned. Originally Posted by rhino9
Blue Escalade, black interior.

We met a few weeks later at a notell for a session...same price... and that was the last time we met. I believe I can find some pictures of this event if you would like. Originally Posted by rhino9
Careful about lying about people...it is not reality and one may lose themselves in their own ideas...

L8r
r9 Originally Posted by rhino9
Bottom line; I don't see men like you for free or for near free. That's just the way it is. It's my price, or it isn't.

I think you and Blowpapi use women. You don't. You are of course entitled to your opinion, just not your own facts. Your advise to women is self serving and not in their best interest. You want to pay nothing. We want to get paid. And believe it or not, most of the men here don't think that highly of the grifting schemes and usery.

You are also pissed that I barred you from my private affairs, and I don't compromise. It's always been my way or the highway, but you know that don't you. I have other means, and always have. It's that simple.
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I know a couple that do quite well without posting here Originally Posted by Eccie Addict
Absolutely, no doubt, but I don't think most could be successful that way without posting somewhere unless they were to start with a service (which does advertise), work hotel lobbies, gentleman's clubs, massage parlors or street walk. There are/were also adult ads in weeklies and such. I know of several UTR providers that do just fine, but it is the exception not the rule and other than needing a little thick skin, posting on a shmb costs them nothing but a little time and can be informative as well as amusing in addition to lucrative. I'd say 30% to 50% of the ladies I've seen have been initially as a result of seeing one of their posts in a thread I'm reading. I then check out their showcase and rates, other posts and if I like, I put them on my list and likely PM them to get introduced and screened. Likely the % will go up as time goes on as I prefer a lady with some humor and wit (not saying your UTR ladies don't have that, but how would I know?).

Just sayin' different strokes for different folks and posting on a smhb is easy, safe (relatively) and accessible.
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Posting on an shmb can also subject them to something neither you or I may never be able to relate to....

There are plenty that do well by posting here and plenty that do well not posting here. You would never know if its the exception or not since you more than likely don't notice the ones that aren't posting so the amount is invisible to you.
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too bad you're retired I`d pay your price......


So, now stay with me ok? So, of all the socials you've been to; the ones you've been invited to not barred from. Out off all things - and some of them are pretty fucking memorable - that have happened, you remember, me? Lil ole me? And so do these mystical "others". Your, out of your mouth, story is that I - me, Olivia Howard, straddled you in public? You? Did you pay me? No. So what makes you think that a I would consider someone like you for free. Someone that told me how to give a blowjob nonetheless, at a hooker party where no doubt, and let's face it, there was no doubt right.......wink, wink, nudge, nudge.................there was the possibility of LE there.

Now, I've been known to give a few kisses.................well actually, very few kisses........................ ..I can remember only one, but there may have been the quickie here and there, but jump on and ride. No. And someone like you? For free? Never.



Really?



Blue Escalade, black interior.





Bottom line; I don't see men like you for free or for near free. That's just the way it is. It's my price, or it isn't.

I think you and Blowpapi use women. You don't. You are of course entitled to your opinion, just not your own facts. Your advise to women is self serving and not in their best interest. You want to pay nothing. We want to get paid. And believe it or not, most of the men here don't think that highly of the grifting schemes and usery.

You are also pissed that I barred you from my private affairs, and I don't compromise. It's always been my way or the highway, but you know that don't you. I have other means, and always have. It's that simple.
Originally Posted by OliviaHoward
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When I said let us reason together, I meant this
Reason is the capacity for consciously making sense of things, applying logic, for establishing and verifying facts, and changing or justifying practices, institutions, and beliefs based on new or existing information.

Not tear each other down. Thank you for all who have answered on topic and out of what they deem as true. I do not agree with ender's surmise that this is a "slow rolling train wreck" but otherwise choose to think that if one is opeminded there are things to learn on both sides.

Though it is entertaining to learn that rhino and olivia knocked boots on not only one but two occasions.. imagine that.

When I said let us reason together, I meant this
Reason is the capacity for consciously making sense of things, applying logic, for establishing and verifying facts, and changing or justifying practices, institutions, and beliefs based on new or existing information.

Not tear each other down. Thank you for all who have answered on topic and out of what they deem as true. I do not agree with ender's surmise that this is a "slow rolling train wreck" but otherwise choose to think that if one is opeminded there are things to learn on both sides.

Though it is entertaining to learn that rhino and olivia knocked boots on not only one but two occasions.. imagine that.

Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne
It seems clear that OH and I have some disagreements on facts...
As I have not seen nor spoken to her in almost 4 years... Perhaps those matters should be ironed out by PM....or not.

Thank you for refocusing the thread...

Anyone who allows their self worth or self esteem or internal personality to be based on their occupation is likely going to have trouble in life.
Male or Female...Dr. Lawyer or Indian Chief.

When you get ready to play a game....you dress out first.
You may not be the best baseball player...but when you put on that uniform, it should focus you on what you are trying to do.
But it has nothing to do with the amount of money that may be earned for playing that game.

Your rates are connected to what the market sees as value. Not your self worth.
Many of the ladies in the hobby are without doubt priceless. But that is not a market rate.

L8r
r9
And "respect" or lack thereof is one of the reasons I would not post on an shmb if I were a provider.

Not that I don't enjoy it as a member of this site but I'm sure I wouldn't if I were on the other side of the fence.



Rhino though I don't agree with you, you do seem to put a lot of thought into your posts. I have a question for you.

Will/Have you see(n) a provider that has a listed rate over 200 per hour? If so are you ever willing to pay them the rate they have listed? Originally Posted by Eccie Addict
Hi EA...
The answer is yes...I have seen many providers who list rates over 200.
And I have on occasion...usually the first session paid their posted rate.

Afterwards, I can make a decision if that experience was really worth the extra $$ and then I go from there... Some ladies I will discuss this matter with...some never see my business again. This is not intended to imply that my business is any big thing. I simply no longer purchase with that vendor.

The rate is really based on the market availability.
If you want lobster and there is none in the town...one must pay high to get it.
Or settle for something else.
If there is plenty of lobster...you may choose where you purchase as you wish.

Sometimes, one may not like the color of the paint in the store...or sometimes there is just no chemistry.
Sometimes there is...if I like the store...if the chemistry is good...
That still doesn't mean I will pay more than I would at any 4 other stores...
Well,...maybe if I like the waitresses ass...

In Houston 200 is a pretty high market...lots of people here actually work for a living and they know the value of 200 in the real world.
Now in NY wallstreet area where the median salaries run 250-400K...200/hr is not a high price...
But guess what.
You will still see the girls leaving the street, getting in their camary's or minivans and driving back to on of the bouroughs where they are less than 200.

Not really sure of your purpose for the question...but always open for new thought...
L8r
r9
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If you had said no you don't feel any providers service is worth over 200hr then I may have had other questions. If you had said yes you have seen but have never paid the listed rate I may have had other questions.

I feel your answer was reasonable so no reason for me to go any further. Not that you need any approval from me

I may not do things the way you do but I can see you seem to put a lot of thought in your posts.
too bad you're retired I`d pay your price......

]]] Originally Posted by willdooit@yahoo.com
You know you're still my buddy!

It seems clear that OH and I have some disagreements on facts...
As I have not seen nor spoken to her in almost 4 years... Perhaps those matters should be ironed out by PM....or not. Originally Posted by rhino9

Actually, this isn't the case - yet again. You thanked me for inviting you, and I told you that you were not. So now you have your PM.

Anyone who allows their self worth or self esteem or internal personality to be based on their occupation is likely going to have trouble in life.
Male or Female...Dr. Lawyer or Indian Chief. Originally Posted by rhino9

That’s not the discussion. The discussion is self worth tied to hourly rate. Just because someone is a consultant as you have intimated you are, doesn’t mean that they can’t get a real job or that employers don’t want to hire them because they aren’t worth as much to them as a real employee.


If you are trying to say that you feel that a ladies rates shouldn’t be tied to her self-worth in your view, then why do you tie escorts incomes to the benchmark of $100k a year when the people paying them don’t make that much? What are you trying to say?


As for HDH rates...
This used to be if her rates were 3X what the hobbiest made in an hour.
By that calculation a hobbiest making $100K/yr would be seeking HDHs if she were more than 150/hr. So most did not.
Most hobbiests do not make $100K/yr Originally Posted by rhino9
Then go on to imply, just as you imply lots of things, that ECCIE is an HDH board because most ladies charge at least $150, which I wouldn’t’ get out of bed for, but that they go over to other boards and charge less. Do you mean less than their clients? Less than you think they deserve? Or both?

So from that you can see that many on this board are quoting HDH rates.
ECCIE is known as a public HDH board...
One could verify by just check providers using multiple boards and seeing if ECCIE is often the highest priced.
BP has some ECCIE providers on it...that would make it easy to check. Originally Posted by rhino9
You are SPECIFICALLY saying that most of the ECCIE “HDHs” are nothing but Backpage girls. And we all know what “Backpage girls” are don’t we.

Specifically, are you trying to say that escorts have no business making over $100,000. Yes or no.


When you get ready to play a game....you dress out first.
You may not be the best baseball player...but when you put on that uniform, it should focus you on what you are trying to do.
But it has nothing to do with the amount of money that may be earned for playing that game. Originally Posted by rhino9
What does this even mean?

Your rates are connected to what the market sees as value. Not your self worth.
Many of the ladies in the hobby are without doubt priceless. But that is not a market rate.

L8r
r9 Originally Posted by rhino9
Yes, and the market pays at $250 to $300 for one hour appointments in Houston. And the market also pays more for some women. To think otherwise, is you tying someone’s self-worth to their rate, because we couldn’t possibly make more than men?!? I mean WTF!

What are you trying to say here:

PE..there are no rules...that was all bullsh*t.!! There are some common sense concepts for you to consider....

Many guys will invite the provider to lunch or drinks for the first meet.
If she turns out to be a slob, uncouth, drunkard or crazy bitch...we just walk away.
Also a lot safer than going to her place in Pimptown or wherever you could be setup for a ripoff.

If the girl is too snooty to meet you for a drink, check the next one...there are tons that will meet you.
Oh yeah...that crap about their valuable time...HA.!
There is a lot of slack time in most lady's schedules...and many drink like fish.
After all, if you made $150/hr...how many hours would you be "on the job" each week.??
Just have a good time.
L8r
r9 Originally Posted by rhino9
Invite them to a drink. Find out if they are hard up for money. If they are, then low ball them. If not, they are snooty or drink like a fish. Is that what you're trying to say? I can't tell.

And here?


Are you listening guys..???
She just told you the absolute fuckin truth.

Bitchin don't do a damn thing.

If you wish to change it...get together with your "friends" and pick a month and only see providers that are in the $150 range...

Betcha it wont take long for prices to "normalize" [IMG]file:///C:/Users/JANEGR~1/AppData/Local/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
It is true that ECC is not the only board in town...but it is one of the highest priced. Originally Posted by rhino9
What are you forming some kind of hobby union? LOL. Go git dem whores! For………………………….PRICE GOUGING!

If there were "Identical" products or services, I would agree.
Of course, they are not the same...but have a myriad of nuances...

Maybe like a plumber digging a ditch for a drain line...no two diggers do it exactly the same...still we compare the prices and the job's results without questioning the "identical" digging method...or appearance of the plumber.

We would likely accept a 10-15% difference in price without comment.
But if one plumber asked $150 and another asked $300...we all know that is price gouging. Originally Posted by rhino9
You aren't the market, and you don't set the market price. There are a ton of other jewels in you’re your pearls of wisdom, but I have shit to do. That $150 benchmark really chaps your ass doesn’t it. LOL

Hopefully this will too, when I traveled, and I advise other ladies this also, I made $100 per hour and, thanks for asking, but no, I only took a couple of appointments a day at the most. No, not appointments for $100 per hour, but I netted after a nice hotel, gas and advertising, $100 per hour for the entire time I was gone. If I was in Baton Rouge for two days, I netted $4,800. But I was usually gone three days, so, well, you get the picture. Sitting, driving, drinking like a fish, eating at Ruth’s Chris, sleeping, working, shopping, taking appointments for when I got home, searching on your name and $150, whatever………………I still made $100 per hour.
I wish I had found this thread before it derailed into no-man's land. But regardless, I feel entitled to share my opinion anyway.

It is always stated that hobbyist A will spend his hard earned dollars as he pleases - whether it be on a $100/hour provider or a $1500/hour provider. Generally speaking, the lower donation will lead to a higher demand therefore giving the lady a packed calendar. She will likely make just as much as her HDH counterpart, but will have to work twice as hard.

Now, the female in the higher dollar range will (generally) not book as many appointments as her lower dollar sister. Simply because gentleman, such as yourself, are hesitant to invest their money in a higher-risk stock - higher risk meaning hobbyist A doesn't understand that value that may be associated with this particular provider.

I have placed my "rates" in the higher echelon category (and yes, I am new here but let's not throw THAT in my face just yet. Believe it or not, I know what I'm talking about ) ; I look at each of my encounters as an experience. I am not the kind of female that opens her door and drops her panties immediately because I am "just so wet and ready to see you". No. I like being a provider because it provides ME with a level of secret intimacy that I don't find in my personal life. So, on that note, I ask for a donation that attracts gentleman of a similar interest. Individuals that also prefer experience dining and can appreciate and engage in banter, conversation, wine - hedonism - etc. The man hunting for the $100 quickie will not mesh well with my personality so I don't cater to his needs. Does this make me right? Does this make YOU right? That would be a matter of opinion, not fact. And we can fight until Armageddon on whose opinion is "right".

So in sum, this entire debate is open to interpretation. I think it is also important to keep in mind that high-posting individuals on this site are only a small percentage of the community as a whole. While you (you that prefers lower-dollar appointments) may have your own opinions and convictions, that does not mean that there isn't a brigade of men, hiding in the shadows, that savors and seeks out the higher-dollar experiences.

I wish I had found this thread before it derailed into no-man's land. But regardless, I feel entitled to share my opinion anyway.

It is always stated that hobbyist A will spend his hard earned dollars as he pleases - whether it be on a $100/hour provider or a $1500/hour provider. Generally speaking, the lower donation will lead to a higher demand therefore giving the lady a packed calendar. She will likely make just as much as her HDH counterpart, but will have to work twice as hard.

Now, the female in the higher dollar range will (generally) not book as many appointments as her lower dollar sister. Simply because gentleman, such as yourself, are hesitant to invest their money in a higher-risk stock - higher risk meaning hobbyist A doesn't understand that value that may be associated with this particular provider.

I have placed my "rates" in the higher echelon category (and yes, I am new here but let's not throw THAT in my face just yet. Believe it or not, I know what I'm talking about ) ; I look at each of my encounters as an experience. I am not the kind of female that opens her door and drops her panties immediately because I am "just so wet and ready to see you". No. I like being a provider because it provides ME with a level of secret intimacy that I don't find in my personal life. So, on that note, I ask for a donation that attracts gentleman of a similar interest. Individuals that also prefer experience dining and can appreciate and engage in banter, conversation, wine - hedonism - etc. The man hunting for the $100 quickie will not mesh well with my personality so I don't cater to his needs. Does this make me right? Does this make YOU right? That would be a matter of opinion, not fact. And we can fight until Armageddon on whose opinion is "right".

So in sum, this entire debate is open to interpretation. I think it is also important to keep in mind that high-posting individuals on this site are only a small percentage of the community as a whole. While you (you that prefers lower-dollar appointments) may have your own opinions and convictions, that does not mean that there isn't a brigade of men, hiding in the shadows, that savors and seeks out the higher-dollar experiences.

Originally Posted by BelleAustin
Nice post. Now I want to eat your butt.
I wish I had found this thread before it derailed into no-man's land. But regardless, I feel entitled to share my opinion anyway.

It is always stated that hobbyist A will spend his hard earned dollars as he pleases - whether it be on a $100/hour provider or a $1500/hour provider. Generally speaking, the lower donation will lead to a higher demand therefore giving the lady a packed calendar. She will likely make just as much as her HDH counterpart, but will have to work twice as hard.

Now, the female in the higher dollar range will (generally) not book as many appointments as her lower dollar sister. Simply because gentleman, such as yourself, are hesitant to invest their money in a higher-risk stock - higher risk meaning hobbyist A doesn't understand that value that may be associated with this particular provider.

I have placed my "rates" in the higher echelon category (and yes, I am new here but let's not throw THAT in my face just yet. Believe it or not, I know what I'm talking about ) ; I look at each of my encounters as an experience. I am not the kind of female that opens her door and drops her panties immediately because I am "just so wet and ready to see you". No. I like being a provider because it provides ME with a level of secret intimacy that I don't find in my personal life. So, on that note, I ask for a donation that attracts gentleman of a similar interest. Individuals that also prefer experience dining and can appreciate and engage in banter, conversation, wine - hedonism - etc. The man hunting for the $100 quickie will not mesh well with my personality so I don't cater to his needs. Does this make me right? Does this make YOU right? That would be a matter of opinion, not fact. And we can fight until Armageddon on whose opinion is "right".

So in sum, this entire debate is open to interpretation. I think it is also important to keep in mind that high-posting individuals on this site are only a small percentage of the community as a whole. While you (you that prefers lower-dollar appointments) may have your own opinions and convictions, that does not mean that there isn't a brigade of men, hiding in the shadows, that savors and seeks out the higher-dollar experiences.

Originally Posted by BelleAustin
Excellent Post and So True! But, there are those here who will never understand this under any circumstances.