The glory days of the HDH are over.

..you boys are very cheeky.

xx

..you boys are very cheeky.

xx Originally Posted by Camille

Be careful with RK's cheeks Camille, he is tired of turning them and he won't ever turn them again.

The trend I'm seeing more and more of these days is ladies who offer "clock free" options. I think this is a wonderful idea and I hope that it continues to grow in popularity for those of us truly interested in spending extended time with each other. I feel this is the beginning of the "glory days" for the clock-free provider. Originally Posted by LynetteMarie

There are two very conflicting opinions on this subject. I am obviously pro, otherwise i would not have had introduced clock free dinner date as one of the packages.

I am still testing out the reaction .. and couple of dinner dates i had were absolute blast!!!

Lina

They very well might. And the people who try to ridicule those that wish to do so are the same people who can't get it up financially to buy the umbrella. Financial impotence can tend to to make one simply a voyer of the potent. Originally Posted by Rudyard K

And i'm quite sure there are plenty of people who could easily spend $300 on an umbrella without batting an eyelash, but who still laugh at the people that actually do so.

This is something I touched on a few months ago on my super secret Twitter account (hello my Twitter friends! *winks*)

As a few have mentioned, the HDH is not and never will be "dead," but I do feel the "glory days" are certainly over.

I'm not going to repeat what others have mentioned. I have been in this industry since I was a pup in undergrad and I've witnessed and experienced many of the transitions over time...

A few years ago, there seemed an explosion in 3+hour minimum ladies at $3000+ with beautiful photographs and well-composed copy. Everyone was intrigued, both men and women. The HDH and other private invite-only boards were full of great conversations and members who partook in this demimonde. Now, many of those board participants have moved on and some of of the sites are virtual ghost-towns. Professional images and websites are abundant these days, not a rarity as they were back in the early-mid 2000s.

The trend I'm seeing more and more of these days is ladies who offer "clock free" options. I think this is a wonderful idea and I hope that it continues to grow in popularity for those of us truly interested in spending extended time with each other. I feel this is the beginning of the "glory days" for the clock-free provider. Originally Posted by LynetteMarie

Re: the the glory days - the internet and affordable high quality photography really has levelled the playing field. It is kind of like "the media" -- these days anyone with a blog counts themselves as a "media pundit"

Re: "clock-free" - I think it is a great idea. I mean assuming you are only seeing one person in an evening, really what is the big deal if you say end up getting home at 11:30 or midnight instead 10pm? I mean you already have screened him, done all the pre-date back & forth, gotten all made-up, driven across town to meet him. All of those things are fixed costs, if you will. The advantage to him is he pays a little bit more but doesn't feel rushed and the date comes to a natural end,

I won't pretend to know & maybe the ladies can confirm this but I suspect the guys that book extended dates, and would be the target market for the clock-free option are not the ones they have trouble with from an abusing her time. The hourly guys are the ones trying to turn an hour into ninety minutes...

This is the first thread on this topic in FOREVER that hasn't degenerated into a complete clusterfuck of an issue....so who's missing? Originally Posted by Camille

The HDHs

I won't pretend to know & maybe the ladies can confirm this but I suspect the guys that book extended dates, and would be the target market for the clock-free option are not the ones they have trouble with from an abusing her time. The hourly guys are the ones trying to turn an hour into ninety minutes... Originally Posted by atlcomedy

Yes, you have that one right.When I first started, and had an hourly rate I had men staying as much as three hours over their paid time.Well the three hours only happened once, but it was fairly normal for many to stay for two hours, and only pay for one. There were some nice exceptions as well, but in general going over the hour was pretty much the norm.I am sure that the fact that I was not good when it came to asserting myself made it more extreme in my case.

I have noticed that some of the posts from others are being pretty judgmental about the men who prefer to pay higher rates .I find this odd , because I do not see anyone judging those who prefer to look for bargains.Men who pay higher than average rates are far from stupid when it comes to money (I guess that is why they still have some lol) .I have found it interesting that most of my clients are similar to me when it comes to spending habits , we are for the most part very conservative. I am rarely an impulse buy for my regulars , but someone they have budgeted in to their yearly spending at so much per visit times X number of dates per year. These people are experienced , and know that they can find less expensive options just as they can also find women who ask for much more than I do. It just comes down to what you are comfortable spending, and who you wish to spend it on. We all have our own ideas of value. Some people may just have a fetish for well made umbrellas

The HDHs Originally Posted by BammBamm

How would we know who they are?? Somebody should make a list....

What's clear is that everyone has thier own definition of what a "HDH" is.

For me, it's just part of my initials... (not sure what the other "H" would represent though...).


(smile.)

xo Hanna

The HDHs Originally Posted by BammBamm

How would we know who they are?? Somebody should make a list.... Originally Posted by Sisyphus

Just navigate to your local Backpage, and start with line #1, then go to #2, then...aw, you get the idea. That's how you make a list.

Alas, you are correct. For me it's a chemistry thing. I couldn't care less about menu specifics. Which in effect means the price points at which I hobby vary dramatically…But tangentially, I'm not convinced of an absolute correspondence between high price and low volume. I mean, most certainly, if a lady charged $1M/minute; her volume would decline; and if she charged $0.01/day it would increase…But in the middle, just as there are women who can afford to charge a great deal for their time and have only 4-6 appointments a year due to other employment, etc,; I know ladies who are in similar circumstances who charge about $250 and control volume by screening for factors other than income…So while I think that, as a general rule, you are correct about the inverse relationship between price and volume; providers are so individual in their circumstances and desires that it doesn't always hold. Originally Posted by Laurentius

I think that’s great you have had exceptional experiences at all price levels. This truly goes to show that amazing experiences are NOT exclusive to one type of companion (escort vs. courtesan), though IN SOME CASES rates may indicate cultural differences ($200 vs $800..."low" vs. "high" social class), and if this is important to a gentleman, then he should certainly consider rates or perhaps researching the lady to ensure she offers the attributes (e.g. educated, etc) he is accustomed to even if her rates are lower (e.g. $300 escort who offers similar characteristics to an $800 escort).

And in terms of the price/volume correlation, imagine there are two providers who are both interested in booking as many engagements (volume) as possible to make a large profit at their respective rates. One of the companions charges $250, while the other charges $800. Given the state of the economy and that in general 1% of the country owns most of the money, the provider charging $250 would be able to guarantee more volume based on the fact most men can’t afford rates starting at $800. So this supports the opinion that if a lady charges more, her volume will decrease even if she is not charging $1M/minute. Of course there are ladies at $250 who CHOOSE to screen out potential clients that email them, as well as ladies at $175 who have no concept of marketing and bring in NO business. Typically a lady who charges more has inherently screened out potential clients based on finances and never has the volume of emails in the first place to choose less volume. So if she wanted more volume, it’s not there, whereas the option is there for the lady who charges $250. Personally, the number of emails I received when my rates were lower is nowhere near what I receive in my inbox now. Most of my encounters are with repeats and a few new friends.

So a lady with lower rates has the opportunity to be higher volume, which a lady with higher rates does not, thus the “correspondence between high price and low volume.”

.02

And it’s nice to see my twitter friends also.

How would we know who they are?? Somebody should make a list.... Originally Posted by Sisyphus

Just navigate to your local Backpage, and start with line #1, then go to #2, then...aw, you get the idea. That's how you make a list. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Damnit, it's true. Jokes that need to be explained really aren't funny.

[sigh]

It's hell.....getting old...

Re: the the glory days - the internet and affordable high quality photography really has levelled the playing field. It is kind of like "the media" -- these days anyone with a blog counts themselves as a "media pundit"…I won't pretend to know & maybe the ladies can confirm this but I suspect the guys that book extended dates, and would be the target market for the clock-free option are not the ones they have trouble with from an abusing her time. The hourly guys are the ones trying to turn an hour into ninety minutes... Originally Posted by atlcomedy

I was not around during the days you reference, but my first professional website was designed a little after I started providing, and was created by the same lady who designed several HDHs sites (as long as you can afford $1000…you can have a professional site…so I bought one!). This brought in business from a lot of gentlemen who typically see ladies at $1000/hr and would rather spend that same $1000 on a dinner date. So, I think professional websites and photos definitely open up more doors than unprofessional “media”. And given the decline in the economy and an increase in (real, not marketed) college educated escorts, there’s bound to be many more savvy ladies on the scene who understand marketing is essential to booking engagements, which has also “leveled the playing field”.

And in terms of hourly gentlemen and those who book extended engagements abusing time, I wouldn’t go as far to say one group necessarily does it more than the other. That would be a faulty generalization, as from my experience, I have found there to be men on both sides of the fence who go over time. However, in the case of the gentlemen who book an extended engagement, to me it doesn’t feel like abuse because they have already spent $2500/ON (or whatever). In some cases, you just get lost in the moment and it feels like they’ve already “paid their dues” sort of speak...so you might keep going. And so if it’s just a $300 hour engagement compared to the ON, it indeed feels like an abuse of time. lol…unfortunately life isn’t fair.

Xoxo.

This is something I touched on a few months ago on my super secret Twitter account (hello my Twitter friends! *winks*)...The trend I'm seeing more and more of these days is ladies who offer "clock free" options. I think this is a wonderful idea and I hope that it continues to grow in popularity for those of us truly interested in spending extended time with each other. I feel this is the beginning of the "glory days" for the clock-free provider. Originally Posted by LynetteMarie

Lynette, I really appreciate your experience. Sometimes, I wish I had a similar one if for nothing more than to compare it to how things are now. That would be very interesting. Anyway, I don't necessarily think the "clock free" trend will continue on, because while it works for some ladies, it doesn’t work for others. I think it all depends on the market and if you are seeing new friends who are open to the option. Personally, since implementing a “clock free” option at the beginning of the summer, I've had the same overnight engagements and some dinner dates, but not one “clock free” encounter. Perhaps the guys are confused by how I described it. I’m not sure, but either way, I think a small number of providers will test the option out, and if it doesn't work for their friends or market, they will drop it. Others will keep it. I’ve dropped mine, although I really wanted to try it out.

Hugs.

Damnit, it's true. Jokes that need to be explained really aren't funny.

[sigh]

It's hell.....getting old... Originally Posted by Sisyphus

LOL, I remember lurking on ASPD when everyone was fighting about the HDH list, it was fascinating. I made a similar joke early on in this thread that no one got.I understand your frustration