25% of Americans are idiots

Ok killa go clean your room before your parents get home and ground you

As Robin Williams said to his army supervisor in "Good Morning Vietnam":
"You are in more dire need of a blow job than any man I know."

Or something like that.
Everyone...let's all get blow jobs

Waaaaaaaaa! Yet another liar who cries when called on his lies!!1 WAAAAAAAAAAAa!! and care to bet on that buddy? Originally Posted by Look-at-Stupid

Wager anything you like- I stand behind my words- but I should have known better since perhaps your animal DNA kicked in- but you don't act like a primate more so like a chicken- hiding behind the computer calling names- you my friend surely are example of why there may not be intelligent design.

I think the 25% of americans being idiots is much higher

Of course you expected it. You hoped and knew it would happen. It happens every time you start in. You choose your words like "mythical being" and "book of fables" on purpose instead of saying "god" and "the bible" to try and belittle people who have faith and a different belief system than you. You do it every time. Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

You're partially right.

I did expect more people here to agree with my position on this one, given my post and the purpose of this site.

I am guilty of trying to emphasize the ridiculousness of religion in our modern world with my choice of words. To me, there is little difference between believing that the sun orbits the earth and believing in the multitude of similarly 'wrong' assertions in the bible. If people believe that Earth orbits the Sun because Galileo figured it out about 500 years ago, why do people block out other scientific learnings that are just as obvious now? Why do people suspend critical thinking when it comes to religion? These questions perplex me and I enjoy debating them with people who don't share my opinions. Nobody is forced to engage.

Sorry that this seems to cause you so much heartburn. Oh wait... no I'm not. Not one bit.

You're partially right.

I did expect more people here to agree with my position on this one, given my post and the purpose of this site.

I am guilty of trying to emphasize the ridiculousness of religion in our modern world with my choice of words. To me, there is little difference between believing that the sun orbits the earth and believing in the multitude of similarly 'wrong' assertions in the bible. If people believe that Earth orbits the Sun because Galileo figured it out about 500 years ago, why do people block out other scientific learnings that are just as obvious now? Why do people suspend critical thinking when it comes to religion? These questions perplex me and I enjoy debating them with people who don't share my opinions. Nobody is forced to engage.

Sorry that this seems to cause you so much heartburn. Oh wait... no I'm not. Not one bit. Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife

But it doesn't cause me any heart burn at all. Thats just one of the beauty's of faith. I was just pointing out that you knew exactly what you were doing and why you were doing it. Even though you said you didn't.

The hard anthropic principle points to the necessity of a creator. The absolute necessity of the ultra fine tuned fundamental constants that govern the universe and all of life, and all of the systems that regulate life and the
universe, the reason many scientist are ether Theist or at the least Deist
in their beliefs.

Science. Originally Posted by bojulay

Absolutely. This is where the creationist debate should be focused, IMHO. Not on bibles or qurans or evolution. This is a step above all of that. By the end of his life, Einstein was starting to believe that he was seeing evidence of 'influence'.

As I said elsewhere, I don't think we are capable of understanding whether or not there has been some divine influence on our creation or not. It's equally silly to assert yes or no. I'm not interested in wild-ass guesses. I'm happy to live with the knowledge that "we have no clue" and continue to review evidence as it becomes available.

The multiverse is the only option in light of the hard anthropic principle,
and a total unprovable theory which even if were true would in no way
eliminate the possibility of God. The theist frame already establishes the idea of the existence of another universe, the realm of heaven, Paul talked of a third heaven.

The beginning of the space time continuum establishes some transcendent
being or force outside of it being responsible for it's creation, space and time cannot create itself. Originally Posted by bojulay

This is where I feel you are getting trapped by a modern version of a need to start explaining things that cannot be explained, just like the authors of the bible did in their day, and are using wild assumptions as evidence for the existence of a god.

We don't understand space or time enough to know if the concept of 'beginning' even applies, so we should not use 'beginning' to deduce the existence of "some transcendent being or force".

The more you force yourself to understand what the questions are, the more you realize what we don't know, and the more 'quaint and silly' things like the bible, quran, etc., become, in my opinion.

If you didn't know Darwin believed in a higher power, Christian he was governor

But it doesn't cause me any heart burn at all. Thats just one of the beauty's of faith. I was just pointing out that you knew exactly what you were doing and why you were doing it. Even though you said you didn't. Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

You don't like my post because it is disrespectful to your faith and that's why you responded. Twice. Even though you said it didn't bother you.

You presume to know what motivates someone that you don't know, even after you're provided with some insight. Just pointing that out.

This is where I feel you are getting trapped by a modern version of a need to start explaining things that cannot be explained, just like the authors of the bible did in their day, and are using wild assumptions as evidence for the existence of a god.

We don't understand space or time enough to know if the concept of 'beginning' even applies, so we should not use 'beginning' to deduce the existence of "some transcendent being or force".

The more you force yourself to understand what the questions are, the more you realize what we don't know, and the more 'quaint and silly' things like the bible, quran, etc., become, in my opinion. Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife

There are only three possible answers that I can see being possible
given the evidence.

There is a higher power controlling creation. (the most probable)

There is no higher power and everything is simply a product of chance
(very unlikely)

It is all the product of something no one can understand, something
like a matrix where everything is an illusion. (very unlikely)
Which would still point to the involvement of a higher being.

The Hard Anthropic Principle points to a higher power outside of
space and time, and not just a force. A being that would have
to be of superior intelligence and ability that is much greater
than what you find within the creation itself.

The naturalist can really only point to biology and Darwin's
little adaptability process that he discovered, and then try
to submit an over reaching application to it.

If they try and go outside of that small little circle to the realm
of space, time, and matter, they get lost.

Even with Darwin they still have no clue as to the answer for
the origin of life.

You don't like my post because it is disrespectful to your faith and that's why you responded. Twice. Even though you said it didn't bother you.

You presume to know what motivates someone that you don't know, even after you're provided with some insight. Just pointing that out. Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife

While I completely agree the things you say are disrespectful, they truely don't bother me. I know thats not what you want to hear because it is obvious that it is your whole intent by the words you choose.

Like I said earlier, that is just part of the beauty of faith. Your disrespect and intolerance does nothing to me, but it speaks volumes about you. You're just letting people know that you have to try and put people down to feel better about yourself. And that's ok, most people know thats what weak and insecure people do. That's the only coping mechanism some people have.

If you didn't know Darwin believed in a higher power, Christian he was governor Originally Posted by theboss21422

Charles Darwin lost his religious belief over time, not all at once on the Galápagos Islands. Darwin never claimed to be an atheist, but he did claim to be an agnostic. The term "Agnostic" was coined by his friend T.H. Huxley in 1869. Besides, that's irrelevant. Darwin lived in the 19th Century, so we obivously know a lot more now than he did then, particularly with our modern knowledge of genetics, fossil records, and DNA. Shit, I (like many other good students) was able to verify genetics in high school during breeding experiments with fruit flies.

That's the problem with the creationist mindest. You think that people that beileve in evolution worship Darwin like you worship God. Darwin was just a man, and like all men, he is fallible. Being fallible doesn't invalidate the Theory of Evolution. Albert Einstein was wrong about Nuclear Power, Quantum Theory, and Dark Energy. Being wrong about those doesn't invalidate General Relativity,Special Relativity or E=MC².

The modern life we enjoy was made possible by science. Angels have never come down from the sky to hand us anything. It was humans. It's always been humans. Humans created God(s), not the other way round.

There are only three possible answers that I can see being possible
given the evidence.

There is a higher power controlling creation. (the most probable)

There is no higher power and everything is simply a product of chance
(very unlikely)

It is all the product of something no one can understand, something
like a matrix where everything is an illusion. (very unlikely)
Which would still point to the involvement of a higher being.

The Hard Anthropic Principle points to a higher power outside of
space and time, and not just a force. A being that would have
to be of superior intelligence and ability that is much greater
than what you find within the creation itself.

The naturalist can really only point to biology and Darwin's
little adaptability process that he discovered, and then try
to submit an over reaching application to it.

If they try and go outside of that small little circle to the realm
of space, time, and matter, they get lost.

Even with Darwin they still have no clue as to the answer for
the origin of life. Originally Posted by bojulay

You speak of things you don't understand. The same way Wellendowed try to pretend that he understood "The Law of Thermodynamics". Then you go on to make false claims like you can see insides people minds to see that they understand. I can gurantee you that I have forgetten more about Biology, Chemistry, and Physics than you know. Is DNA an "over-reaching" application? Is genome sequencing and "over-reaching" application?

How much time have you spent in a lab running experiments? It's easy to make false claims when you haven't done the work yourself.

Fallable
capable of making mistakes or being erroneous.
"experts can be fallible"
synonyms: error-prone, errant, liable to err, open to error

Being wrong doesn't invalidate his Theory?
Ok