How are they the same programs? If you look up the word SAME in Websters dictionary you get the following:BTW, already agreed that Odumbo demonstrably proved he was more stupid than Bush. Keep digging.
1A - Resembling in every relevant respect. Note the word resembling.
Websters definition for Resemblence: Point of likeness similiarty.
For NG53 and IBH Operation Wide receiver and Fast and Furious are the same, not identical. Both programs are resembling in every relevant respect. Not true! Cite where Odumbo, et al, employed tracking devices on the weapons. Cite where the Bush lost track of anywhere near as many weapons as were lost under Odumbo. Cite where Americans were killed by lost weapons during the Bush program like happened during the Odumbo administration. Cite where Odumbo, et al, wisely ended the stupid, failing program before any Americans were killed with lost weapons. To be resembling, you just have to have a point likeness, similarty. You don't have to be identical. I can't help it if you won't accept the definitions that Webster has provided. The attorney general for Obama should not be held to a different standard than the Attorney General for Bush when the ATF in Phonenix was doing the same thing, Running Guns. Originally Posted by flghtr65
BTW, already agreed that Odumbo demonstrably proved he was more stupid than Bush. Keep digging. Originally Posted by flghtr65A defective tracking device is not relevant, it did not work. You would have a point if the tracking device did work in Operation Wide Receiver, and they neglected to use it in Fast and Furious, but that was not the case. I will give you credit, at least you accept Websters definitions.
BTW, already agreed that Odumbo demonstrably proved he was more stupid than Bush. Keep digging. Originally Posted by flghtr65Guns were run and guns were lost. There is your point of likeness and similarity. If lives were lost in both programs you would have an identical program. The argument is they are the same programs.
Fluffy, so your saying as long as Obama holds to the same standards as Bush, it's ok. So GW Bush is the standard to which we must hold all Presidents. Thanks for clarifying.COF, if two presidents have sex in the oval office with a mistress and lie about it, you must impeach both of them or let both of them have a free pass. You can not impeach one and let the other go free. Do you understand now? I will give you an example of a moron. The example is when you said Ron Paul only got 66 delegates because the liberal media brainwashed 200 million people. There is your moron.
Moron. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy
This argument and thread are racing towards a new low in Sandbox idiocy.
Please carry on Originally Posted by Chica Chaser
A defective tracking device is not relevant, it did not work. You would have a point if the tracking device did work in Operation Wide Receiver, and they neglected to use it in Fast and Furious, but that was not the case. I will give you credit, at least you accept Websters definitions. Originally Posted by flghtr65Yup! It wasn't defective tracking devices during the Odumbo administration that caused the problem -- it was the defective trackers; Odumbo, et al, were obviously more stupid than Bush, et al.
Guns were run and guns were lost. There is your point of likeness and similarity. If lives were lost in both programs you would have an identical program. The argument is they are the same programs. Originally Posted by flghtr65Your argument is specious and not founded on facts. More guns were lost on Odumbo's watch. Odumbo's people had no plan in place to track the guns once LOS was lost. An American agent was killed on Odumbo's watch, and Odumbo's program was not shut down until after an American agent was killed. Those are irrefutable facts that differentiate the two separate, individuated programs.