Christianity is what's wrong with American politics.

Doove, your ignorance is showing again. Why not learn about the FairTax before you attack it? It makes you look stupid, not that that is difficult. So now I can't disagree with a Constitutional Amendment? Sorry, I forgot.

You obviously know nothing about the income tax or the FairTax. Look it up. I can't be solely responsible for your education.

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I'm beginning to think that DE>evolution might be a good idea though. Crawling back into the ocean is starting to look like a
good idea.

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don't think that's a good idea. its a dog eat dog world in there!

Doove, your ignorance is showing again. Why not learn about the FairTax before you attack it? It makes you look stupid, not that that is difficult. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

How about you defend the fairtax by addressing my points, rather than simply attacking me. More and more, COG, all you do is attack me while failing to address my points. If anyone looks stupid here, it's you.

And i won't even get into the hypocrisy from Captainmidnight in all this.

So now I can't disagree with a Constitutional Amendment? Sorry, I forgot.

No, when you go around incessantly using the Constitution as your sole fall back argument (besides your fall back argument of just insulting people), disagreeing with the parts of it you don't like makes you nothing but a hypocrite. So yeah, there's nothing stopping you from being a hypocrite, just expect to be called out on it.

You obviously know nothing about the income tax or the FairTax. Look it up. I can't be solely responsible for your education.

Again with the insults, when you have no response.

Hold the phone. Many atheists such as myself are very giving and donate to various charity organizations. There are wealthy, famous atheists who have even kicked up their own charities. I think it is wrong to assume because we are atheists that some how we give less or do less in the way of charity. No one has to be believe in an invisible deity in the sky or belong to a church to do good for others. The sad thing is most who are religious do charitable work because they believe that there is a reward in heaven for them down the road. Where as for an atheist we do it because we want to, because we care and it is the right thing to do. Not because we think we might get some reward in the end.

Edit: By the way this happens a lot to atheists and I have not been immune from this type of behavior http://blog.chron.com/believeitornot...500k-donation/

Also see: http://www.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities Originally Posted by Guilty Pleasures

I read a book written by an atheist a few years ago which was
suppose to be an argument for the truth of atheism, and all
he could realy come up with was that we are all born as atheist.

Thats all he had realy, his main argument was that we are all born
without a belief in god, and this was somehow supose to give some
sort of credability to atheism.

Well I wasen't born not beleaving in god eather, I think all that might
have been on my mind at that time was my mothers breast milk.

Nothing against atheist, but I think that might have been one of the
lamest books i've ever read.

I thought the guy might give some viable argument. It made me
laugh.

Many liberal arguments seem to be like that though, rather void of logic. Always in the idealist frame.

Doove www.fairtax.org

So I'm a hypocrite because I don't like the 16th Amendment. ??

This is an attack? I have responded, you just don't make sense. And I haven't felt too much love from any of your posts.

Read about the FairTax before you pretend to attack it.

The fair tax has two main features that I believe make it a good option. The first is that everyone pays regardless of how they make their income. The tax base is expanded which could result in lower taxes for the individual. The second and I think most important is that it applies the tax to all goods regardless of where they come from. It removes our tax code from the decision process of where to locate your business and eliminates the advantages a foreign company may have.

The problem people have is that the tax is obvious and seen. They will in reality not pay any more than they already are but since much of the taxes they currently pay are hidden they do not realize it. I believe that it would be good for the country to have a tax that is up front and visible for all.

The FairTax would be applied to all NEW goods and services. A person could buy a used car, home, coffee pot, and not incur the tax. Instant progressive tax.

This is the problem with you libertarians. You're so full of yourself that you actually think you "earned" what you make. You don't. Several factors go into what you make, most of them you have no control over, and what you "earn" is pretty far down the list.

Doofus, that is just plain commie talk........I realize you are ashamed and embarrassed about being a communist, but you should be honest and open with us about the type of scum you are......it's not like you can lose any more credibility with us......

Doove, please list the factors that go into what one has earned. Please list them from the most significant down to the least. Thank you.

elect a president that you do not know, or know nothing about to this day and ask yourself one question-- why does America seem so different now- and another why are we experiencing so many different events. You will have your answer as with out a history the direction of your future is unknown

There are no inconsistencies with our
Founding documents. The means by
which certain Amendments were 'passed'
leave a lot to be desired. Have you read
the Amendment establishing the IRS?
It is one of the most overreaching laws
established in this Republic. Congress
can raise taxes irregardless of regional
populations, percentage of tax is decided
by Congress- in short the govt says it
may take what it wants, when it wants,
as often as it wants, from whomever
it wants.
And I'm to believe my fellow citizens
gave the govt the right to grift by
a plurality of the electorate?

Nope nothing doing.

Our Founding Fathers were not mere
17th century people. The govt they
conceived had not existed since
ancient Athens. The govt would be
a servant of the people, the people
were their own master.
Whereas so called 'modern' govt forms
are in fact retreads of tyrannies of old.
Progressives aren't espousing anything
that pharoah's, kings, and kahns haven't
pushed on the people before.
Progressives espouse what in practice
can only be described as a mix of the
worst aspects of plutocracy and
oligarchies.

Our Founding Fathers were highly
distrustful and opposed to strong
cent govt. Hence the 10th Amendment.
They were aware that it would be
possible for their creation to get
corrupted over time. In the
Declaration of Independence the
Framers left instructions on what
to do when the govt became dismissive
of the voice of the people.
It's what the 2nd Amendment is all about.
The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting,
unless you count hunting traitors and
civic enemies of the State.
Take up arms, rise up, forcibly throw them out.

That's why libs and progressives dislike guns.
When the time comes they know what end
of those guns they will likely see.
A few of you have guns; not enough to
even make it fair. Everyone I know is
capable of equipping at least 6 of their
neighbors with longarms and ammo
if they weren't armed already.

Ballots first
Bullets next

Yea they stayed together...the woman had nowhere else to go!

Hot damn...I'm a white male, bring back the fifties! Originally Posted by WTF

Touche biaatch!

So I'm a hypocrite because I don't like the 16th Amendment. ?? Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

No, you're a hypocrite because you act as if the Constitution - at least your interpretation of it - is a sacrosanct document that, like it or not, we all must follow...end of argument. But when it comes to something in the Constitution that you don't like, well, not so much.

The only problem with the Constitution
is questionable means by which the IRS
was established.
You have read the XVI Amendment and
find nothing unusual in it's scope?
Then you are really lost and have
no idea just what the intent of
the Framers were.

In which case you are in over your head.
And a waste of our time.

Doove, the Constitution isn't so much a document that WE must follow, it is a document that the GOVERNMENT must follow. When correctly interpreted, we are free to do pretty much what we want, so long as don't try to deny someone else of their life, liberty or property by force or fraud. That's what the Constitution is about. And the 16th Amendment isn't the only ill-advised amendment. You know, the Constitution even allows me the freedom to disagree with certain parts of it. Cool, ain't it?