12,000 SCIENTISTS say lockdowns cause irreparable harm!

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People die of the flu every year!
But guess what? Trump delivered the vaccine as promised Originally Posted by winn dixie
1. People do die from the flu every year but Not 300,000 plus.

2. Trump had nothing to do with the development of the vaccine. The MRNA concept had been worked on years before the CV19 virus was even identified. PFizer used their own money for research and development. Trump paid up front for the distribution. But did not buy enough from Pfizer to vaccinate everyone in the USA.

3. The USA only has 330,000,000 million people. How is Trump going to save a Billion people? He didn't buy any vaccines for other countries.

4. More hysteria from a helpless Trump worshiper.

5. Trump did manage to have 300,000 plus people die because of his incompetence. That is why he is going home 1-20-21.
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please leave me scientist you better let me besides I want all decided his name you have the name decided it's 112,000 scientists name I will all 12,000 scientists name you need to give me a name of all 12,000 scientists I mean come on how come I'm not scientists how come everybody else is not inside this what determines the scientists in your book
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1. People do die from the flu every year but Not 300,000 plus.

2. Trump had nothing to do with the development of the vaccine. The MRNA concept had been worked on years before the CV19 virus was even identified. PFizer used their own money for research and development. Trump paid up front for the distribution. But did not buy enough from Pfizer to vaccinate everyone in the USA.

3. The USA only has 330,000,000 million people. How is Trump going to save a Billion people? He didn't buy any vaccines for other countries.

4. More hysteria from a helpless Trump worshiper.

5. Trump did manage to have 300,000 plus people die because of his incompetence. That is why he is going home 1-20-21. Originally Posted by adav8s28
Lets see here. Trumps responsible for china unleashing a biological weapon that scientists cant even agree what it is? And that scientists were working on a vaccine years ago? cough cough b/s. Trump did however initiate warp speed and got rid of the red tape so the vaccine would be fast tracked!
  • Tiny
  • 12-16-2020, 12:01 AM
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Hey, I'm a liberal, too! Is it OK for me to crash this party?


(Although I should note for the record that I'm the type of liberal defined below.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism


. Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight
Absolutely! We'll pull some foxes from the rally and head over to Steiner Ranch Steakhouse afterwards. Tea Party Cougars are carnivores, so that's the place to go. Not sure how that's going to work given Yssup's probably a vegan, but I figure he'll eat a steak if that's what it takes to impress some wench and get laid.
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And that scientists were working on a vaccine years ago? cough cough Originally Posted by winn dixie
The concept of using mRNA in a vaccine instead of a live virus had begun years ago even before the company Moderna was founded.

From the link:

That tiny edit allowed synthetic mRNA to slip right into cells without rousing the immune system, a finding that the researchers published in multiple papers starting in 2005, according to STAT News. These results caught the attention of two key scientists: one who later helped found Moderna and another who helped found BioNTech.

Neither company initially set out to develop mRNA vaccines against infectious diseases, but eventually started to expand into that field with mRNA flu, cytomegalovirus and Zika virus vaccines in development or clinical trials. But then a deadly virus presented a unique opportunity to test, in large groups of people, just how powerful the technology could be.



https://www.livescience.com/mrna-vac...e=notification
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lappy is bitter cause hes been proven to be a racist and anti-semitic. And has points to prove it! Originally Posted by winn dixie


...says the anti-semitic racist with racist symbols as his avatar and in his photo gallery, hiding his blatant racism behind his questionable "Southern Heritage."
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Questionable?
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  • WTF
  • 12-16-2020, 07:33 AM
And that scientists were working on a vaccine years ago? cough cough b/s. Originally Posted by winn dixie
Cough cough b/s?


Years of research laid groundwork for speedy COVID-19 vaccines
By — Lauran Neergaard, Associated Press
Health Dec 7, 2020 6:44 PM EST
How could scientists race out COVID-19 vaccines so fast without cutting corners? A head start helped — over a decade of behind-the-scenes research that had new vaccine technology poised for a challenge just as the coronavirus erupted.

"The speed is a reflection of years of work that went before," Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press. "That's what the public has to understand."

Creating vaccines and having results from rigorous studies less than a year after the world discovered a never-before-seen disease is incredible, cutting years off normal development. But the two U.S. frontrunners are made in a way that promises speedier development may become the norm — especially if they prove to work long-term as well as early testing suggests.

"Abject giddiness," is how Dr. C. Buddy Creech, a Vanderbilt University vaccine expert, described scientists' reactions when separate studies showed the two candidates were about 95 percent effective.

"I think we enter into a golden age of vaccinology by having these types of new technologies," Creech said at a briefing of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

Both shots — one made by Pfizer and BioNTech, the other by Moderna and the National Institutes of Health — are so-called messenger RNA, or mRNA, vaccines, a brand-new technology. U.S. regulators are set to decide this month whether to allow emergency use, paving the way for rationed shots that will start with health workers and nursing home residents.

WATCH: A whistleblower says the FDA isn't properly regulating vaccine facilities

Billions in company and government funding certainly sped up vaccine development — and the unfortunately huge number of infections meant scientists didn't have to wait long to learn the shots appeared to be working.

But long before COVID-19 was on the radar, the groundwork was laid in large part by two different streams of research, one at the NIH and the other at the University of Pennsylvania — and because scientists had learned a bit about other coronaviruses from prior SARS and MERS outbreaks.

"When the pandemic started, we were on a strong footing both in terms of the science" and experience handling mRNA, said Dr. Tal Zaks, chief medical officer of Massachusetts-based Moderna.

Traditionally, making vaccines required growing viruses or pieces of viruses — often in giant vats of cells or, like most flu shots, in chicken eggs — and then purifying them before next steps in brewing shots.

The mRNA approach is radically different. It starts with a snippet of genetic code that carries instructions for making proteins. Pick the right virus protein to target, and the body turns into a mini vaccine factory.

"Instead of growing up a virus in a 50,000-liter drum and inactivating it, we could deliver RNA and our bodies make the protein, which starts the immune response," said Penn's Dr. Drew Weissman.

Fifteen years ago, Weissman's lab was trying to harness mRNA to make a variety of drugs and vaccines. But researchers found simply injecting the genetic code into animals caused harmful inflammation.

Weissman and a Penn colleague now at BioNTech, Katalin Kariko, figured out a tiny modification to a building block of lab-grown RNA that let it slip undetected past inflammation-triggering sentinels.

"They could essentially make a stealth RNA," said Pfizer chief scientific officer Dr. Philip Dormitzer.

Other researchers added a fat coating, called lipid nanoparticles, that helped stealth RNA easily get inside cells and start production of the target protein.

Meanwhile at the NIH, Dr. Barney Graham's team figured out the right target — how to use the aptly named "spike" protein that coats the coronavirus to properly prime the immune system.

The right design is critical. It turns out the surface proteins that let a variety of viruses latch onto human cells are shape-shifters — rearranging their form before and after they've fused into place. Brew a vaccine using the wrong shape and it won't block infection.

"You could put the same molecule in one way and the same molecule in another way and get an entirely different response," Fauci explained.

That was a discovery in 2013, when Graham, deputy director of NIH's Vaccine Research Center, and colleague Jason McLellan were investigating a decades-old failed vaccine against RSV, a childhood respiratory illness.

They homed in on the right structure for an RSV protein and learned genetic tweaks that stabilized the protein in the correct shape for vaccine development. They went on to apply that lesson to other viruses, including researching a vaccine for MERS, a COVID-19 cousin, although it hadn't gotten far when the pandemic began.

"That's what put us in a position to do this rapidly," Graham told the AP in February before the NIH's vaccine was first tested in people. "Once you have that atomic-level detail, you can engineer the protein to be stable."

Likewise, Germany's BioNTech in 2018 had partnered with New York-based Pfizer to develop a more modern mRNA-based flu vaccine, giving both companies some early knowledge about how to handle the technology.

"This was all brewing. This didn't come out of nowhere," said Pfizer's Dormitzer.

Last January, shortly after the new coronavirus was reported in China, BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin switched gears and used the same method to create a COVID-19 vaccine.

Moderna also was using mRNA to develop vaccines against other germs including the mosquito-borne Zika virus — research showing promise but that wasn't moving rapidly since the Zika outbreak had fizzled.

Then at the NIH, Graham woke up on Saturday Jan. 11 to see Chinese scientists had shared the genetic map of the new coronavirus. His team got to work on the right-shaped spike protein. Days later, they sent Moderna that recipe — and the vaccine race was on.
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Questionable? Originally Posted by eccieuser9500


Nothing is proven, even if it's proven. That's the Trump way, no?
  • Tiny
  • 12-16-2020, 09:59 AM
Trump did however initiate warp speed and got rid of the red tape so the vaccine would be fast tracked! Originally Posted by winn dixie
Operation Warp Speed was/is a great success. President Trump is proud of its accomplishments and, like most physicians, undoubtedly believes Americans should choose to be vaccinated. But from your posts you sound like you think getting a vaccine is a foolish choice. Why? Maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts.
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  • WTF
  • 12-16-2020, 10:08 AM
Operation Warp Speed was/is a great success. President Trump is proud of its accomplishments Originally Posted by Tiny
His report card is just starting. His grade depends on the delivery of the vaccine.

The speed of the vaccine was done was by decades old research super charged by the pandemic. Trump did not go out on a limb to provide funding. We we able to get a large body of test patients to get a better sample of how the vaccine might work.

No his report card is still out but so far, so good. Looks like he left delivery up to the pro's.
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His report card is just starting. His grade depends on the delivery of the vaccine.

The speed of the vaccine was done was by decades old research super charged by the pandemic. Trump did not go out on a limb to provide funding. We we able to get a large body of test patients to get a better sample of how the vaccine might work.

No his report card is still out but so far, so good. Looks like he left delivery up to the pro's. Originally Posted by WTF
That’s what pros do. The military was contracted to deliver the vaccines from the beginning. Another great decision by Trump.
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I still want to know what your f****** definition of a scientist is I still want to know what your f****** definition of a scientist is why am I not inside this why don't you call engineer scientist what is a scientist what is a doctor how do you determine what scientists
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I still want to know what your f****** definition of a scientist is I still want to know what your f****** definition of a scientist is why am I not inside this why don't you call engineer scientist what is a scientist what is a doctor how do you determine what scientists Originally Posted by Ripmany
In your own way! You make a very valid point!
Was Trump trying to keep the public calm when he was claiming there was a fucking "caravan" coming up from Central America to rape our women? Does THAT have a calming effect for you? Trump doesn't believe in making people calm. Trump believes in stirring up shit. ANYONE who doesn't realize this is ignorant. Originally Posted by Lapdog
It's not about keeping people calm or stirring shit up, it's about bringing about the truth. That shouldn't make anyone feel uncomfortable but apparently to wimpy little liberals it does.