Looks like it was an accident, and not some illegal animal hellbent on killing Americans

This is a perfect example of getting the cart before the horse. When this incident occurred, people were ready to hang this guy. Illegal aliens shot to the forefront of the national debate and 'sanctuary city' was on everyone's lips. Now, it turns out that the entire thing was likely an accident. This is why you don't jump to conclusions.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=29527

Why was he in this country, with a gun to shoot? Had immigration laws been enforced, this wouldn't have happened. Seems like if the people responsible for enforcing the law had done so, he wouldn't have had a gun, and he wouldn't have been here. This hardly exonerates him.

Amazing how far the left wing media will go with spin. Especially when they try to implicate Fox News. Pathetic.

Illegal alien pulls trigger ... Dead American... Done deal.

'Nuff said.

Why was he in this country, with a gun to shoot? Had immigration laws been enforced, this wouldn't have happened. Seems like if the people responsible for enforcing the law had done so, he wouldn't have had a gun, and he wouldn't have been here. This hardly exonerates him. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You have a bad habit. Several, I suppose, but one that involves me in particular. Where do I say the word exonerate? I'm indicting the media coverage. He's guilty. This is not in question. What is in question is how this story was presented for public consumption

None of the ifs you posit address guarantees of a different outcome.

Amazing how far the left wing media will go with spin. Especially when they try to implicate Fox News. Pathetic.

Illegal alien pulls trigger ... Dead American... Done deal.

'Nuff said. Originally Posted by gfejunkie

Of course, now that fox and its circus has moved on. It's not spin. It's telling what actually happened versus some sensationalized anti immigration point. You claim the left uses shootings for gun control? Here's the conservative version. They used this story to advance their own immigration issues.

This is a perfect example of getting the cart before the horse. When this incident occurred, people were ready to hang this guy. Illegal aliens shot to the forefront of the national debate and 'sanctuary city' was on everyone's lips. Now, it turns out that the entire thing was likely an accident. This is why you don't jump to conclusions.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=29527 Originally Posted by WombRaider

Buried by Fox News....that is a lie. Fox News put the words of the defense attorney on TV. That is who claims this by the way, the defense attorney given to this illegal free of charge. He claims that the guy "fired" (ask any gun owner how this happens) the gun by accident and killed an American citizen. (I'm going to love this) the only due process this guy deserves is to chose which lamp post he wants to hang from.



Look out! Its Nazi Baby Killer!

Of course, now that fox and its circus has moved on. It's not spin. It's telling what actually happened versus some sensationalized anti immigration point. You claim the left uses shootings for gun control? Here's the conservative version. They used this story to advance their own immigration issues. Originally Posted by WombRaider

Once again, you either lie like a rug or you're crazy. Bill O'Reilly asks each of the presidential candidate if they support Kate's Law. Even as late as two days ago. You're not very smart when your lies are so easily debunked. Didn't you learn anything from Clinton?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pmBC_CrQS4

You're not very smart when your lies are so easily debunked. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Speaking of debunked lies, how did your 777 on the remote island lie work out for you?

Once again, you either lie like a rug or you're crazy. Bill O'Reilly asks each of the presidential candidate if they support Kate's Law. Even as late as two days ago. You're not very smart when your lies are so easily debunked. Didn't you learn anything from Clinton?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pmBC_CrQS4 Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

woomby loves his Arkansas HillBill Clinton family so much, he's taken to crawfishing like them when he's caught out in a lie. He definitely loves Shrillary and has his own version of " I did not..." ready for when someone hands him his ass on his stupidity and lies .

This is a perfect example of getting the cart before the horse. When this incident occurred, people were ready to hang this guy. Illegal aliens shot to the forefront of the national debate and 'sanctuary city' was on everyone's lips. Now, it turns out that the entire thing was likely an accident. This is why you don't jump to conclusions.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=29527 Originally Posted by WombRaider

When this shooting incident first broke was your initial impression that it was an accident?

Jim

When this shooting incident first broke was your initial impression that it was an accident?

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

I try to wait and form impressions once I receive enough information on an incident. No one here will ever be accused of that. Fox and the rest of the RWM, framed this as some bloodthirsty illegal who murdered some woman in cold blood. Is it any less tragic because it was an accident? Of course not, no one is saying that. But it would be nice to find out what the fuck happened before we are fed a bunch of politicized bullshit.

I try to wait and form impressions once I receive enough information on an incident. No one here will ever be accused of that. Fox and the rest of the RWM, framed this as some bloodthirsty illegal who murdered some woman in cold blood. Is it any less tragic because it was an accident? Of course not, no one is saying that. But it would be nice to find out what the fuck happened before we are fed a bunch of politicized bullshit. Originally Posted by WombRaider

and you know all about politicized bullshit, eh dipshit

I try to wait and form impressions once I receive enough information on an incident. No one here will ever be accused of that. Fox and the rest of the RWM, framed this as some bloodthirsty illegal who murdered some woman in cold blood. Is it any less tragic because it was an accident? Of course not, no one is saying that. But it would be nice to find out what the fuck happened before we are fed a bunch of politicized bullshit. Originally Posted by WombRaider

You are OUT OF HERE LOSER!

This still doesn't make sense.

He was behind her and he had obviously pulled the gun. If it was still in his pocket, there would be some mention of a bullet hole in his clothes.

So why was the gun pulled? Perhaps to commit a robbery?

If so, then it is felony murder. And it doesn't matter if the gun went off accidentally. If you pull a gun during the commission of a crime, you are responsible for the safety of your victims.

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The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder in two ways. First, when an offender kills (regardless of accidentally or without specific intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated felony, he/she is guilty of murder. Second, it makes any participant in such a felony criminally liable for any deaths that occur during or in furtherance of that felony. In short, deaths that occur in the commission of a dangerous felony or enumerated felony (enumerated = stated in statute, e.g. rape, etc) is murder. The enumerated felonies yield first degree/special circumstances murder. The non-enumerated, inherently dangerous felonies yield second degree murder.
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My emphasis above.

So, I ask again, why had he pulled the gun on the SF pier?

This still doesn't make sense.

He was behind her and he had obviously pulled the gun. If it was still in his pocket, there would be some mention of a bullet hole in his clothes.

So why was the gun pulled? Perhaps to commit a robbery?

If so, then it is felony murder. And it doesn't matter if the gun went off accidentally. If you pull a gun during the commission of a crime, you are responsible for the safety of your victims.

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The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder in two ways. First, when an offender kills (regardless of accidentally or without specific intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated felony, he/she is guilty of murder. Second, it makes any participant in such a felony criminally liable for any deaths that occur during or in furtherance of that felony. In short, deaths that occur in the commission of a dangerous felony or enumerated felony (enumerated = stated in statute, e.g. rape, etc) is murder. The enumerated felonies yield first degree/special circumstances murder. The non-enumerated, inherently dangerous felonies yield second degree murder.
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My emphasis above.

So, I ask again, why had he pulled the gun on the SF pier? Originally Posted by ExNYer

So a gun can only be two things; in a pocket or pulled and looking to commit a crime? He stated he found the gun, perhaps he was looking at it. Why does he have to have it pulled and ready to commit a crime with it?