Mary Katharine Ham explains the difference between spying and surveillance to CNN panel
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/...-to-cnn-panel/
are CNN people this dumb to not know the difference????
In summary, there is no difference between the two words “because they’re synonyms”:
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-19-2019, 12:13 AM
- LexusLover
- 04-19-2019, 02:50 AM
One is a shorter word than the other and most retarded SocialistLiberalAntiTrumpers need smaller words in their sing-song chants of bullshit rhetoric.
- Munchmasterman
- 04-19-2019, 04:32 AM
Give me a break. Surveillance is a word generally used to describe a legal activity and spying is generally illegal (as in espionage).
Below are synonyms for surveillance and spying. Synonyms aren't always direct replacements for each other.
surveillance synonyms-
care
control
examination
inspection
scrutiny
supervision
vigilance
wiretap
bug
direction
eye
lookout
spying
stakeout
superintendence
tab
tail
tap
track
vigil
watch
body mike
bugging
eagle eye
peeled eye
surveyance
spying synonyms-
surveillance
bugging
observing
prying
voyeurism
surveyance
wiretapping
Using the word "spying" puts a negative spin on observations made by L.E. in the course of an investigation.
The word "surveillance" which is generally used by L.E to describe their observation of a suspect or gather info.
ll is part right. Spying is a shorter word and has the negative impact that fox and trumpys love.
This is a perfect example of a word swap that steers their herd the direction they want them to go.
"Barr’s ‘spying’ comment has reached its predictable outcome: Trump distorting it beyond recognition"
"One of the most conspicuous through lines of the Trump presidency is his Cabinet officials adopting his controversial and often incorrect talking points. Whether by design or even just a subconscious desire to please the boss, they’ll often say things that allow President Trump to latch on to their words and mislead the country. It’s Cabinet officials wrongly saying the intelligence community concluded Russian interference didn’t impact the 2016 election. It’s his vice president and Homeland Security secretary wrongly saying that alleged terrorists have been apprehended at the border. And last week, it was his attorney general reinforcing the controversial Trump talking point that the U.S. government spied on his presidential campaign in 2016.
William P. Barr kind of, sort of walked back that claim later in his testimony before a congressional committee, and anonymous officials have claimed he wasn’t aware how charged his characterization was. But it’s now reached its predictable endpoint: Trump taking the already-suspect claim, stretching it beyond recognition and then even using it to raise money.
In at least two appeals in recent days, the Trump campaign has used Barr’s much-criticized comments to solicit donations. A text message spotlighted by The Washington Post’s Philip Bump on Friday claimed that “AG Barr believes the Obama Admin illegally spied on Pres Trump."
Then in a fundraising email this weekend, the campaign wrote, “Just this week, Attorney General William Barr said what the President has thought all along, he believes ‘unlawful spying did occur’ against Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign …”
Fundraising emails are where nuance goes to die. But even by the very low standards of these missives, these are ridiculously bad and wrong. For however much criticism Barr came in for last week, he never actually said he believed there was illegal spying on the Trump campaign. In fact, he made clear he didn’t know. The fact that he said “spying” was notable by itself, because of the disputed terminology, but he quickly clarified that there was no evidence it was improper.
“Yes, I think spying did occur,” Barr said, before adding: “But the question is whether it was predicated — adequately predicated. And I’m not suggesting it wasn’t adequately predicated. But I need to explore that. I think it’s my obligation.”
To say that “Barr believes the Obama Admin illegally spied on Pres Trump” or that Barr “believes ‘unlawful spying did occur’” is simply false — and egregiously so. He doesn’t appear to have ever uttered the quote attributed to him.
But this is how things work. Even when the officials around Trump are judicious with their words, they often tee up Trump to make these kinds of arguments. When announcing indictments of Russians last year, Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein said, “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge” of the efforts. Trump and his team quickly seized upon this to argue that Rosenstein had effectively exonerated them of any wrongdoing, even though Rosenstein was only talking about what was alleged in this specific indictment.
Rosenstein isn’t totally responsible for Trump taking his words and distorting them, and neither is Barr. But public officials also need to recognize this Trump tendency. It’s surely possible to avoid leaning into one of his talking points or characterizing things in a way that could predictably lead to this outcome. The best policy is to be extremely careful with your words and emphasize what you’re not saying. Barr, to his credit, did the latter. To his detriment, he did not do the former.
And that’s the best explanation for Barr’s words — that he didn’t know how much he was injecting life into one of Trump’s favorite conspiracy theories. Whether or not that’s the case, it’s worth pointing out that he’s hardly the first to walk down this path. This keeps on happening over and over and over again, and nobody should be surprised — least of all someone of Barr’s intellect and experience."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.1673d9e6bb50
Below are synonyms for surveillance and spying. Synonyms aren't always direct replacements for each other.
surveillance synonyms-
care
control
examination
inspection
scrutiny
supervision
vigilance
wiretap
bug
direction
eye
lookout
spying
stakeout
superintendence
tab
tail
tap
track
vigil
watch
body mike
bugging
eagle eye
peeled eye
surveyance
spying synonyms-
surveillance
bugging
observing
prying
voyeurism
surveyance
wiretapping
Using the word "spying" puts a negative spin on observations made by L.E. in the course of an investigation.
The word "surveillance" which is generally used by L.E to describe their observation of a suspect or gather info.
ll is part right. Spying is a shorter word and has the negative impact that fox and trumpys love.
This is a perfect example of a word swap that steers their herd the direction they want them to go.
"Barr’s ‘spying’ comment has reached its predictable outcome: Trump distorting it beyond recognition"
"One of the most conspicuous through lines of the Trump presidency is his Cabinet officials adopting his controversial and often incorrect talking points. Whether by design or even just a subconscious desire to please the boss, they’ll often say things that allow President Trump to latch on to their words and mislead the country. It’s Cabinet officials wrongly saying the intelligence community concluded Russian interference didn’t impact the 2016 election. It’s his vice president and Homeland Security secretary wrongly saying that alleged terrorists have been apprehended at the border. And last week, it was his attorney general reinforcing the controversial Trump talking point that the U.S. government spied on his presidential campaign in 2016.
William P. Barr kind of, sort of walked back that claim later in his testimony before a congressional committee, and anonymous officials have claimed he wasn’t aware how charged his characterization was. But it’s now reached its predictable endpoint: Trump taking the already-suspect claim, stretching it beyond recognition and then even using it to raise money.
In at least two appeals in recent days, the Trump campaign has used Barr’s much-criticized comments to solicit donations. A text message spotlighted by The Washington Post’s Philip Bump on Friday claimed that “AG Barr believes the Obama Admin illegally spied on Pres Trump."
Then in a fundraising email this weekend, the campaign wrote, “Just this week, Attorney General William Barr said what the President has thought all along, he believes ‘unlawful spying did occur’ against Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign …”
Fundraising emails are where nuance goes to die. But even by the very low standards of these missives, these are ridiculously bad and wrong. For however much criticism Barr came in for last week, he never actually said he believed there was illegal spying on the Trump campaign. In fact, he made clear he didn’t know. The fact that he said “spying” was notable by itself, because of the disputed terminology, but he quickly clarified that there was no evidence it was improper.
“Yes, I think spying did occur,” Barr said, before adding: “But the question is whether it was predicated — adequately predicated. And I’m not suggesting it wasn’t adequately predicated. But I need to explore that. I think it’s my obligation.”
To say that “Barr believes the Obama Admin illegally spied on Pres Trump” or that Barr “believes ‘unlawful spying did occur’” is simply false — and egregiously so. He doesn’t appear to have ever uttered the quote attributed to him.
But this is how things work. Even when the officials around Trump are judicious with their words, they often tee up Trump to make these kinds of arguments. When announcing indictments of Russians last year, Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein said, “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge” of the efforts. Trump and his team quickly seized upon this to argue that Rosenstein had effectively exonerated them of any wrongdoing, even though Rosenstein was only talking about what was alleged in this specific indictment.
Rosenstein isn’t totally responsible for Trump taking his words and distorting them, and neither is Barr. But public officials also need to recognize this Trump tendency. It’s surely possible to avoid leaning into one of his talking points or characterizing things in a way that could predictably lead to this outcome. The best policy is to be extremely careful with your words and emphasize what you’re not saying. Barr, to his credit, did the latter. To his detriment, he did not do the former.
And that’s the best explanation for Barr’s words — that he didn’t know how much he was injecting life into one of Trump’s favorite conspiracy theories. Whether or not that’s the case, it’s worth pointing out that he’s hardly the first to walk down this path. This keeps on happening over and over and over again, and nobody should be surprised — least of all someone of Barr’s intellect and experience."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.1673d9e6bb50
Mary Katharine Ham explains the difference between spying and surveillance to CNN panel
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/...-to-cnn-panel/
are CNN people this dumb to not know the difference????
Barr stated he had no evidence. This is ham's interpretation of Barr's statement. And a wrong one at that.
In summary, there is no difference between the two words “because they’re synonyms”: Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
- lustylad
- 04-19-2019, 05:31 AM
Hmmm... maybe I can help out here...
"Surveillance" is what you do to your opponent's campaign.
"Spying" is what your opponent does to you!
Get it now?
"Surveillance" is what you do to your opponent's campaign.
"Spying" is what your opponent does to you!
Get it now?
- Hotrod511
- 04-19-2019, 05:46 AM
Munchy must be on the sauce real heavy this morning
- LexusLover
- 04-19-2019, 05:49 AM
[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"]Give me a break. Surveillance is a word generally used to describe a legal activity and spying is generally illegal (as in espionage). Originally Posted by MunchmastermanYour "break" is the privilege of posting in Eccie forums.
Do you make this shit up or does someone do it for you?
"generally"?
Do you actually believe that obtaining a court order to wiretap someone's phone and/or "eavesdrop" on their residence and/or place of business based upon false information is "legal"?
https://www.google.com/search?source...31.jSXt8XQd5T0Some of the SocialistLiberalAntiTrumpers should sit this one out on the bench .... or just remain on the porch and let the Big Dogs take care of the next two years of criminal investigations and prosecutions for Crimes Against America.
spying
work for a government or other organization by secretly collecting information about enemies or competitors.
observe (someone) furtively.
"the couple were spied on by reporters"
synonyms: observe furtively, keep under surveillance, watch, keep a watch on, keep an eye on, keep under observation, follow, shadow, trail; More
discern or make out, especially by careful observation.
- LexusLover
- 04-19-2019, 05:58 AM
- eccielover
- 04-19-2019, 07:11 AM
They all pretend to be "word smiths" in an effort to deflect. Originally Posted by LexusLoverA truer statement is hard to find around here. The semantics between spying and surveillance is simply another dodge by the left to make some politically correct version of a statement.
It's okay when it's surveillance even if authorized illegally, but if it's outright spying then it would be a problem. F-ing out of control the lengths they are going to in order to find something to go after Barr(or now even Mueller) in order to get Trump.
- LexusLover
- 04-19-2019, 07:27 AM
- I B Hankering
- 04-19-2019, 09:17 AM
You must have missed what was obvious in your post. Odumbo spied on the Trump campaign.
surveillance synonyms-
care
control
examination
inspection
scrutiny
supervision
vigilance
wiretap
bug
direction
eye
lookout
spying
stakeout
superintendence
tab
tail
tap
track
vigil
watch
body mike
bugging
eagle eye
peeled eye
surveyance
spying synonyms-
surveillance
bugging
observing
prying
voyeurism
surveyance
wiretapping
Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
- gnadfly
- 04-19-2019, 09:24 AM
"by the book."
There's a good article in theconservativetreehouse that outlines the timeline of the Comey firing and the special council formation all by the rat Rod Rosenstein.
My guess he did all of this, drug the country through the mud, to keep the surveillance being discovered and him keeping his pension.
There's a good article in theconservativetreehouse that outlines the timeline of the Comey firing and the special council formation all by the rat Rod Rosenstein.
My guess he did all of this, drug the country through the mud, to keep the surveillance being discovered and him keeping his pension.
- Unique_Carpenter
- 04-19-2019, 09:34 AM
I miss these guys.
The current politicos are not as entertaining, which is a sad commentary on our current elected yippers.
The current politicos are not as entertaining, which is a sad commentary on our current elected yippers.
- lustylad
- 04-19-2019, 10:35 AM
lt is part right. Spying is a shorter word and has the negative impact that fox and trumpys love.So it isn't a "lie" is it munchy? It's just a "word swap" you disapprove of in your squeamish political correctness, invalidated by the self-appointed PC police at WaPo before whom you genuflect daily?
This is a perfect example of a word swap that steers their herd the direction they want them to go. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
Too bad!
Hey, remember when iffy carpet-bombed you with odumbo's 1,342 lies?
Good times!
https://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=105...2&postcount=26
https://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=105...1&postcount=27
- bb1961
- 04-19-2019, 02:39 PM
So munch is just saying the unlawfully "surveilled" him...
- Hotrod511
- 04-19-2019, 03:52 PM