Why does it seem as though there is so many more reviews on BP girls? Don't everyone know that it is a bigger risk, both with your health and staying out off of the radar?
Once in a awhile, ok...but this many....really?
Are we, the legit verfied providers not good enough? Cheap enough? new enough?
What gives?
If this appears to be in poor taste, I apologize...I just get rather nervous seeing a guy who has been known to pick up a lot of girls from CL or BP...hobbiest can turn over a provider list just as easy as provider can turn over a hobbiest list.
- Tiffany Cums
- 07-27-2010, 10:23 AM
- LAVixian
- 07-27-2010, 10:27 AM
I agree with you to a certain extent Tiff. But I don't think that it's because we are not good enough, but that we are not always available on the spot like these bp gals are... even though it could be dangerous for the hobbyist, I think it comes down to they need something quick and they need it now. Kinda like I know that Cig's are gonna be the death of me, I still gotta have it right NOW! lol
- Cpalmson
- 07-27-2010, 10:57 AM
To quote Bill Clinton, "It's the economy, stupid". And no, I'm claiming anyone is stupid, just quoting a phrase. BP girls tend to offer cheaper rates or are more willing to offer shorter sessions. With consumer confidence in the crapper and unemployment near 10%, people to include hobbyists are pulling back on discretionary spending. BP girls are advertising 15 min quickies and all. So when someone wants a cheap trick (pun intended), the BP girls are there. The choice is $150 for a quickie or $300+ for GFE. Some are just choosing to go the cheap route.
- Laurentius
- 07-27-2010, 11:10 AM
I don't hobby down in Texas so never bothered looking up rates and stuff. But, recently, I took a look and noticed a very interesting trend. That trend I will call "Minimum Time Commitment" -- MTC.
Whereas, a year ago, a great many higher-end providers could be booked for as little as an hour or hour and a half; now quite a few are requiring 2, 3 or even four-hour MTCs.
Of course, the MTC commitment isn't just a commitment regarding time. You don't pay for the first hour and have the next 3 on the house. It is, in reality, a minumum cost.
So take a lady who a year ago charged $400/hr, $700/2hr and $900/4hr. Undoubtedly, if you happen to have $900, the 4 hour deal is the way to go. A lot of "bang" for the buck. (har har). But the reality is that there are a LOT more guys with $400 in their pocket than $900, and postponement of gratification is not always a strong suite for a guy looking to get laid.
So the MTCs effectively raise the barrier to entry so that guys who could previously book ladies who post on ECCIE for $250-$600 can not do so now because the MTC forces a minimum expenditure of $800-$1200 in many cases.
Obviously, this works fine for the ladies who do it -- otherwise they wouldn't. But it leaves a fairly large market (guys with $250 - $600 available per appointment) unserved.
Free markets abhor a vacuum. If those guys have $250-$600 to spend, but it isn't enough to be of interest to ladies increasingly trending toward MTCs; some woman is going to step in entrepreneurially to relieve that unserved market of its excess cash.
The "sex for money" business isn't bursting at the seams with guys for whom postponement of sexual gratification is their strong suit; though there are certainly some guys in the hobby who can.
So the guy who was paying $250-$600 for a nice high end girl once a month now has a choice. He can pay $800-$1200 and only see a nice high end girl 4-5 times a year ... OR he can take his $600 and instead of getting lucky once a month, get lucky once a week with ladies off of BP and CL.
In essence, then, this is a market (the $250 - $600 hobbyist) that many ladies in the Texas area have decided is not sufficiently profitable to serve; and other ladies are stepping in to serve that market.
Quick summary: all those reviews of BP girls are rolling in because many higher end providers in Texas have decided not to server the <$800/appointment market. The mid-range has to migrate somewhere.
Whereas, a year ago, a great many higher-end providers could be booked for as little as an hour or hour and a half; now quite a few are requiring 2, 3 or even four-hour MTCs.
Of course, the MTC commitment isn't just a commitment regarding time. You don't pay for the first hour and have the next 3 on the house. It is, in reality, a minumum cost.
So take a lady who a year ago charged $400/hr, $700/2hr and $900/4hr. Undoubtedly, if you happen to have $900, the 4 hour deal is the way to go. A lot of "bang" for the buck. (har har). But the reality is that there are a LOT more guys with $400 in their pocket than $900, and postponement of gratification is not always a strong suite for a guy looking to get laid.
So the MTCs effectively raise the barrier to entry so that guys who could previously book ladies who post on ECCIE for $250-$600 can not do so now because the MTC forces a minimum expenditure of $800-$1200 in many cases.
Obviously, this works fine for the ladies who do it -- otherwise they wouldn't. But it leaves a fairly large market (guys with $250 - $600 available per appointment) unserved.
Free markets abhor a vacuum. If those guys have $250-$600 to spend, but it isn't enough to be of interest to ladies increasingly trending toward MTCs; some woman is going to step in entrepreneurially to relieve that unserved market of its excess cash.
The "sex for money" business isn't bursting at the seams with guys for whom postponement of sexual gratification is their strong suit; though there are certainly some guys in the hobby who can.
So the guy who was paying $250-$600 for a nice high end girl once a month now has a choice. He can pay $800-$1200 and only see a nice high end girl 4-5 times a year ... OR he can take his $600 and instead of getting lucky once a month, get lucky once a week with ladies off of BP and CL.
In essence, then, this is a market (the $250 - $600 hobbyist) that many ladies in the Texas area have decided is not sufficiently profitable to serve; and other ladies are stepping in to serve that market.
Quick summary: all those reviews of BP girls are rolling in because many higher end providers in Texas have decided not to server the <$800/appointment market. The mid-range has to migrate somewhere.
- atlcomedy
- 07-27-2010, 11:56 AM
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but I think some participants spend so much time on eccie that they lose sight of just how small a part of the broader escort world this site and its competitor sites represent.
- Krunkman
- 07-27-2010, 11:59 AM
I agree with Cpalmson and Laurentis - it's more about the economy than anything else. The girls on backpage do come with a little more risk, but since they are getting reviews, its far easier for a hobbyist to do a little research on them and find out if they are legit, or a risk, or whatever. And if the registered providers are posting rates of $250 - $300/hr, and a backpage girl is posting $150- $175, then a number of potential clients are going to steer towards the lower-priced girls who appear to be a better value.
The same logic applies to why people start shopping more often at Walmart during recessions than they do at upscale grocery/apparel stores. It's a perceived value savings.
As we've all seen in reviews, even going to a "legit" provider is no guarantee of a good, drama-free fun time. So if you have limited $$, you are going to spend them in the best way possible to ensure the highest chance of enjoyment and perceived value.
Here's a good question back to the providers... How do you set your own rates? Do you do it by the average price being charged, or some other way?
The same logic applies to why people start shopping more often at Walmart during recessions than they do at upscale grocery/apparel stores. It's a perceived value savings.
As we've all seen in reviews, even going to a "legit" provider is no guarantee of a good, drama-free fun time. So if you have limited $$, you are going to spend them in the best way possible to ensure the highest chance of enjoyment and perceived value.
Here's a good question back to the providers... How do you set your own rates? Do you do it by the average price being charged, or some other way?
- Sweet Heather
- 07-27-2010, 12:11 PM
Oh pleeeeeze.
I advertise on BP and I can assure you I'm as healthy as any other provider here or anywhere-I get tested once a month.
It was the P411 girls in Little Rock that turned over their clients to LE. They didn't advertise on CL or BP.
An important fact to remember...I don't care if you charge $100 for a half hour(like me) or $400 for an hour like *some*.
We're all still(and I'll use the polite term)..providers.
And I don't care if a gent sees 1 provider @$100 in a month, or 5 providers @$400 in a month..
He's still a client.
There are plenty of verified providers that advertise on CL and BP.
Surely you understand that there are LE-lots of them-on ECCIE and other escort sites, and all they have to do is click on the reviews and have all the proof they need to come after you.
I advertise on BP and I can assure you I'm as healthy as any other provider here or anywhere-I get tested once a month.
It was the P411 girls in Little Rock that turned over their clients to LE. They didn't advertise on CL or BP.
An important fact to remember...I don't care if you charge $100 for a half hour(like me) or $400 for an hour like *some*.
We're all still(and I'll use the polite term)..providers.
And I don't care if a gent sees 1 provider @$100 in a month, or 5 providers @$400 in a month..
He's still a client.
There are plenty of verified providers that advertise on CL and BP.
Surely you understand that there are LE-lots of them-on ECCIE and other escort sites, and all they have to do is click on the reviews and have all the proof they need to come after you.
- Laurentius
- 07-27-2010, 01:04 PM
An important fact to remember...I don't care if you charge $100 for a half hour(like me) or $400 for an hour like *some*.Beautiful!
We're all still(and I'll use the polite term)..providers.
And I don't care if a gent sees 1 provider @$100 in a month, or 5 providers @$400 in a month..
He's still a client.
There are plenty of verified providers that advertise on CL and BP. Originally Posted by Sweet Heather
- Guest030617
- 07-27-2010, 01:06 PM
Oh pleeeeeze.
I advertise on BP and I can assure you I'm as healthy as any other provider here or anywhere-I get tested once a month.
It was the P411 girls in Little Rock that turned over their clients to LE. They didn't advertise on CL or BP.
An important fact to remember...I don't care if you charge $100 for a half hour(like me) or $400 for an hour like *some*.
We're all still(and I'll use the polite term)..providers.
And I don't care if a gent sees 1 provider @$100 in a month, or 5 providers @$400 in a month..
He's still a client.
There are plenty of verified providers that advertise on CL and BP.
Surely you understand that there are LE-lots of them-on ECCIE and other escort sites, and all they have to do is click on the reviews and have all the proof they need to come after you. Originally Posted by Sweet Heather
well said
- Naaman Fletcher
- 07-27-2010, 01:43 PM
Little Rock P411 ladies turned their client lists over to the cops? Does anyone have a link explaining what happened?
Oh pleeeeeze.
I advertise on BP and I can assure you I'm as healthy as any other provider here or anywhere-I get tested once a month.
It was the P411 girls in Little Rock that turned over their clients to LE. They didn't advertise on CL or BP.
An important fact to remember...I don't care if you charge $100 for a half hour(like me) or $400 for an hour like *some*.
We're all still(and I'll use the polite term)..providers.
And I don't care if a gent sees 1 provider @$100 in a month, or 5 providers @$400 in a month..
He's still a client.
There are plenty of verified providers that advertise on CL and BP.
Surely you understand that there are LE-lots of them-on ECCIE and other escort sites, and all they have to do is click on the reviews and have all the proof they need to come after you. Originally Posted by Sweet Heather
- Jake2.1
- 07-27-2010, 02:20 PM
Tiff -
As someone in your backyard, a lot of the guys in this area are trying to find girls in their budget. There has been a rise in rates amongst many of the girls and traveling girls in the OK area. So what is happening is that when the providers price themselves out of the range, then the guys will start searching for someone in their budget. Simple economics.
I wish that I could respond to girls ads when they post in ECCIE to let them know that I, for one, can't afford them. I think that if this was a possibility, it would surprise many of the ladies in our area at least just how many guys can't afford their rates.
I keep hearing through the grapevine that there are traveling ladies that show up and then complain that they aren't getting the interest they want. They seem to leave not coming to the point that they are too expensive but that there is something wrong with the guys here. There is. . .lack of funds.
I can't tell you how many times I have heard the statement around here that you can "go to Dallas and see multiple girls" for the cost of just one here.
And to address some of the other statements made above, unlike some other areas in this country, BP/CL girls in OK do tend to be of much higher risk of being LE/scams/pimp situations and lower quality - most are not GFE at all. I have talked with some girls that are on BP and P411/ECCIE/etc. and they have made comments about the the lesser quality guys that they get through BP/CL. I have noticed a lot of the P411/ECCIE girls coming from other areas do use BP more than the local P411/ECCIE girls. I have been told by those type of girls that BP/CL is a much more acceptable situation in other areas. But in OK it is generally like gambling when going to BP/CL.
As someone in your backyard, a lot of the guys in this area are trying to find girls in their budget. There has been a rise in rates amongst many of the girls and traveling girls in the OK area. So what is happening is that when the providers price themselves out of the range, then the guys will start searching for someone in their budget. Simple economics.
I wish that I could respond to girls ads when they post in ECCIE to let them know that I, for one, can't afford them. I think that if this was a possibility, it would surprise many of the ladies in our area at least just how many guys can't afford their rates.
I keep hearing through the grapevine that there are traveling ladies that show up and then complain that they aren't getting the interest they want. They seem to leave not coming to the point that they are too expensive but that there is something wrong with the guys here. There is. . .lack of funds.
I can't tell you how many times I have heard the statement around here that you can "go to Dallas and see multiple girls" for the cost of just one here.
And to address some of the other statements made above, unlike some other areas in this country, BP/CL girls in OK do tend to be of much higher risk of being LE/scams/pimp situations and lower quality - most are not GFE at all. I have talked with some girls that are on BP and P411/ECCIE/etc. and they have made comments about the the lesser quality guys that they get through BP/CL. I have noticed a lot of the P411/ECCIE girls coming from other areas do use BP more than the local P411/ECCIE girls. I have been told by those type of girls that BP/CL is a much more acceptable situation in other areas. But in OK it is generally like gambling when going to BP/CL.
- Guest091010-2
- 07-27-2010, 02:21 PM
I see BP as just one more outlet to advertise...guys still have to be screened and all the same rules still apply. I have never touched CL but that's just because it's not worth it to me...it appears to have more LE/weirdos on it than it does potential clients and I just can't be bothered.
- Cityjazz
- 07-27-2010, 02:25 PM
There are also many guys to like the "hunt" for new talent, which BP occasionally delivers
- Tiffany Cums
- 07-27-2010, 03:16 PM
That's what I was looking for! I wanted someone else to say it, because I wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy, and so that it would come from a hobbiest and not a provider. Maybe more will take notice!
Thank you sweetie! xoxo
Thank you sweetie! xoxo
Tiff -
As someone in your backyard, a lot of the guys in this area are trying to find girls in their budget. There has been a rise in rates amongst many of the girls and traveling girls in the OK area. So what is happening is that when the providers price themselves out of the range, then the guys will start searching for someone in their budget. Simple economics.
I wish that I could respond to girls ads when they post in ECCIE to let them know that I, for one, can't afford them. I think that if this was a possibility, it would surprise many of the ladies in our area at least just how many guys can't afford their rates.
I keep hearing through the grapevine that there are traveling ladies that show up and then complain that they aren't getting the interest they want. They seem to leave not coming to the point that they are too expensive but that there is something wrong with the guys here. There is. . .lack of funds.
I can't tell you how many times I have heard the statement around here that you can "go to Dallas and see multiple girls" for the cost of just one here.
And to address some of the other statements made above, unlike some other areas in this country, BP/CL girls in OK do tend to be of much higher risk of being LE/scams/pimp situations and lower quality - most are not GFE at all. I have talked with some girls that are on BP and P411/ECCIE/etc. and they have made comments about the the lesser quality guys that they get through BP/CL. I have noticed a lot of the P411/ECCIE girls coming from other areas do use BP more than the local P411/ECCIE girls. I have been told by those type of girls that BP/CL is a much more acceptable situation in other areas. But in OK it is generally like gambling when going to BP/CL. Originally Posted by Jake2.1
- Sweet Heather
- 07-27-2010, 03:57 PM
Little Rock P411 ladies turned their client lists over to the cops? Does anyone have a link explaining what happened? Originally Posted by Naaman FletcherI think this was a year or so ago, somehow LE in LR got P411 verified or got ahold of a P411 members ID, busted a provider, she turned, gave a reference, they busted another, she turned, they busted quite a few traveling girls as well as several clients. I don't have a link but it's a pretty well known story. None were on BP or CL.