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When you look at history, I can't think of a single movement by the right wing that moved society forward.

When you look at history, I can't think of a single movement by the right wing that moved society forward. Originally Posted by Seeker

Didn't the "right" start the bowel movement?

You gotta pull their finger to move them foreward

When you look at history, I can't think of a single movement by the right wing that moved society forward. Originally Posted by Seeker

Did the Lincoln era move the country backwards?

Some politicians just go with the flow. Rick Perry supported Gore and likely he will go back to the Dems when Texas goes back to it's traditional blue.

Did the Lincoln era move the country backwards? Originally Posted by acp5762

Don't see him as a right winger.

Don't see him as a right winger. Originally Posted by Seeker

Neither do I!

When you look at history, I can't think of a single movement by the right wing that moved society forward. Originally Posted by Seeker

Lemme guess. Any historic movement you liked, you labeled "left wing" and any movement you hated, you labeled "right wing".

So the anti-slavery movement in which the Republican party was rooted now becomes "left-wing" to satisfy your agenda, right?

And anti-communism was a left-wing achievement, too, correct?

Try thinking of it this way.

Traditional conservatism is rooted in the idea of preserving institutions that provide freedom, peace and economic well-being for the greatest number. This is typically expressed in an inclination towards small, less intrusive government and individual liberty.

Socialism, or progressivism, or liberalism, or whatever name it hides behind this week has a predisposition towards instituting "change" because change is - in left-wing minds - an unalloyed good. Frequently - in fact almost always - this involves the government - led by all the bright and uncorrupted minds - seizing control over a greater portion of the wealth of the nation and its industries, because, well government has all the solutions and knows what good for the common folks.

When the shit hits the fan, as it inevitably does with ever bigger government, the left tends to blame the collapse on having the wrong people in government. It's always the corrupt leaders and not the actual governing philosophy that is to blame. There are still those who think communism would have worked if only the "right people" had been leading it.

Opposing bad ideas is every bit as important as pushing for new ideas.

Soviet Russia and Fidel's Cube were virulently homophobic, but your average American leftie will tell you that only right wingers are homophobes. The left likes religious folks if they support the welfare state or oppose slavery (the abolitionists), but has no use for them if they oppose abortion.

The left doesn't like racism, so they decide it must be a characteristic of the right wing, regardless of the beliefs of the right-winger in question.

The label "right wing" is mostly useless. The left uses it to encompass:

1) anybody they deem racist or homophobic;
2) religious conservatives who are not racist, favor big government and the taxes to go with it, but oppose abortion and gay marriage (i.e., most Catholics),
3) fiscal conservatives who are not racist, oppose big government and high taxes, want better border control, are neutral on legal abortion, and don't care about gay marriage so long as it doesn't increase the deficit
4) libertarians who are not racist, oppose big government and regulation, favor open borders, want to eliminate income taxes and most government programs, favor gay marriage, and legalized drugs, and think public schools should be eliminated in favor of a voucher system for everyone.

You go figure that out.

The label "left wing" is much more consistently used by conservatives. If they want to grab all the money, they are lefties. See? It's simple.

Lincoln was the perfect left winger. Consolidated government in the federal bureaucracy, violated the Constitution, borrowed lots of money, started a long, bloody war, and then tries to claim he did it in the pursuit of civil rights.

Lincoln was no right winger. That's for sure.

Don't see him as a right winger. Originally Posted by Seeker

Of course you don't! You posted this even before I could finish my post above. Just like I knew you would

You pick the people/movements you like and you decide they are left wing.

And the ones you don't like are "right wing"

Don't see him as a right winger. Originally Posted by Seeker

Whats your Definition of a Right Winger?

Whats your Definition of a Right Winger? Originally Posted by acp5762

Look in the mirror!

That's the right/left prism through which so many on here view issues. If their guys are for it, it's ok. If the other side does the same thing, it's awful, even treasonous. Bunch of partisan phonies.

When you look at history, I can't think of a single movement by the right wing that moved society forward. Originally Posted by Seeker

My question is why do you believe it is the government's job to "move" us forward? Are you saying that you are so helpless and incompetent that you can't shape your own moral code, destiny, or livelihood?

My question is why do you believe it is the government's job to "move" us forward? Are you saying that you are so helpless and incompetent that you can't shape your own moral code, destiny, or livelihood? Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Amen! Exactly what I was thinking.