Pennsylvania Senate Bill 60 passed the house on 01/22/2020. This bill is veto proof. It will become law. This bill will make Pennsylvania the most toxic state for both sex workers and clients.
There are more bills coming down the line.
NOW would be a great time...as Tananan suggested before...to support the folks who are fighting these laws.
(or was that just something you said to make your voice heard to make yourself look good at the meeting?)
The more ya know, the better you can protect yourself...
More info about Senate Bill 60 and a few other bills that are coming down the line...
https://deargabbygfe.com/2020/01/24/...a-sex-workers/
Stay safe. Stay smart. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. (watch the video in my sig line, often and repeatedly)
Follow my new activism'ing Twitter @AdvoGabby for more info on what's happening in PA.
- Gabrielle
- 01-31-2020, 07:57 AM
- pgh15201
- 01-31-2020, 06:33 PM
Could not access your site without enabling my cookies. Good luck though, keep up the fight.
- bambino
- 01-31-2020, 07:05 PM
- Gabrielle
- 01-31-2020, 07:42 PM
- sjomonty
- 02-03-2020, 05:54 AM
Keep up here fight? Her fight for what? Shes a fucking nutcase. PA SB60? IT prevents predators from trafficking women in sexual servitude. And even in a hobby community we have a problem with that? People need to get their head out of their asses.
- Friartuck15601
- 02-03-2020, 08:59 AM
It looks like the bill does provide a penalty for clients of women who have been "traffick victims". If you go to an AMP there is no way to know if the girl you see is or is not a victim. Is this not an area of concern?
- Hematoma
- 02-03-2020, 08:27 PM
- sjomonty
- 02-04-2020, 06:11 AM
It looks like the bill does provide a penalty for clients of women who have been "traffick victims". If you go to an AMP there is no way to know if the girl you see is or is not a victim. Is this not an area of concern? Originally Posted by Friartuck15601Personally that is the reason I have chosen to no longer go to AMP's. I'm no judging people who do but I've made the personal decision because there is no doubt in my mind that these women are part of human trafficking. If you go to an AMP and think those women are there because it is a career choice, you are only kidding yourself.
My opinion also goes the same for women who have obvious substance issues as most likely they are also being manipulated.
Has this limited my choices of providers? Yep. Call it a wake up call for me but I'm just not doing it anymore. I'm not sure I know a formula to find providers that are not being trafficed or taken advantage of but unless I feel sure that is the case I'm not booking with them.
Let the trashing begin.
- Minka Fox
- 02-04-2020, 01:58 PM
Ok, and now here comes the question that I cant answer myself,but have wondered about for years now.
For those of yinz who are seasoned hobbyists...What percentage of providers do you feel are REALLY independent?
When I first started, I assumed most, if not all, but over the years,I'm not so sure. To clarify, I'm not talking about escort services and AMPs. I mean singular providers.I have noticed that the younger ones come and vanish fairly often enough that it's made me question my beliefs...Can it be because they're not really on their own? This makes my mind hurt.
For those of yinz who are seasoned hobbyists...What percentage of providers do you feel are REALLY independent?
When I first started, I assumed most, if not all, but over the years,I'm not so sure. To clarify, I'm not talking about escort services and AMPs. I mean singular providers.I have noticed that the younger ones come and vanish fairly often enough that it's made me question my beliefs...Can it be because they're not really on their own? This makes my mind hurt.
- sjomonty
- 02-05-2020, 08:13 AM
For those of yinz who are seasoned hobbyists...What percentage of providers do you feel are REALLY independent? Originally Posted by Minka Fox
I think that was really my point. I used to think differently as well. I used to think that most independent providers were on their own. No "manager". Now out of that group that I thought were independent I take out all of the AMP workers, women with bad habits, women new to the game, and women who wont even so much as test you one or twice before bitching something like "well are you going to book and appt or not?".
So, if I want to be able to be sure I am not adding to the human trafficking problems......the talent pool has now shrunk by probably 90% and I'm ok with that.
Again, not judging and everyone makes their own decisions but that's mine and I welcome new laws that continue to crack down on women who are trafficked.
- DaveHo
- 02-05-2020, 12:16 PM
If just having a manager means you're being trafficked, most people in the U.S. are being trafficked, and you'd better stop going to McDonalds or Walmart. If trafficking means slavery, I think virtually none of the women in this field are.
What SWs can make is competitive with professionals in other fields. There's a much lower barrier to entry; they don't need capital or higher education, and as various encounter reports that somehow get a "yes" recommendation show, even good looks and a nice attitude are optional. Relatively few women do it because, outside of some uncommon personality types, they find it repulsive to have strangers slobber on them one after another. So it attracts screw-ups, and the ones who can get their shit together are likely to stop after whatever pressing bills they have are taken care of.
AMPs might be sketchier, but for the well-known and long-running one in this area, various guys have talked about getting friendly with the girls and knowing them outside of work. It actually doesn't seem different once you're past the cultural barrier.
From what I see, bills like this and FOSTA aren't really to combat the almost-nil trafficking. They use trafficking (which everyone with a shred of decency agrees is reprehensible) as an excuse to go after SWers in general (which certain sponsors have "moral" problems with).
What SWs can make is competitive with professionals in other fields. There's a much lower barrier to entry; they don't need capital or higher education, and as various encounter reports that somehow get a "yes" recommendation show, even good looks and a nice attitude are optional. Relatively few women do it because, outside of some uncommon personality types, they find it repulsive to have strangers slobber on them one after another. So it attracts screw-ups, and the ones who can get their shit together are likely to stop after whatever pressing bills they have are taken care of.
AMPs might be sketchier, but for the well-known and long-running one in this area, various guys have talked about getting friendly with the girls and knowing them outside of work. It actually doesn't seem different once you're past the cultural barrier.
From what I see, bills like this and FOSTA aren't really to combat the almost-nil trafficking. They use trafficking (which everyone with a shred of decency agrees is reprehensible) as an excuse to go after SWers in general (which certain sponsors have "moral" problems with).
- Depurefymii
- 02-05-2020, 12:30 PM
Laws that aren't enforced don't mean diddly. They can have all of the laws they want. There is nobody that honestly cares.
If they put us all in a registry, it will become a state sponsored classifieds list and all of the talk will be about taking the registry down because it is being misused.
If they put us all in a registry, it will become a state sponsored classifieds list and all of the talk will be about taking the registry down because it is being misused.
- sjomonty
- 02-05-2020, 01:15 PM
- Dogface78
- 02-08-2020, 08:40 AM
Personally that is the reason I have chosen to no longer go to AMP's. I'm no judging people who do but I've made the personal decision because there is no doubt in my mind that these women are part of human trafficking. If you go to an AMP and think those women are there because it is a career choice, you are only kidding yourself. Originally Posted by sjomontySorry sir but you would be wrong in this assumption.
These girls go to a Chinese website and answer ads, you can get jobs in restraunts, grocery stores, and yes massage parlors.they do an online interview and get or not get the job.
I have sat in the sofa next to my wife while she has conducted a few of these.
So yes in most cases it is a career choice.
Dose trafficking happen, certainly I met one woman in 10 years in this business whose husband told me that she had been being trafficked, she finally revolted beat the shit out of her boss and son, how she did that is anybody guess hopefully with a Louisville slugger because she wasn't particularly large.
The cops became involved.
And now they are both in prison.
I met her and her husband when my wife and I went to look at a massage parlor she was selling.
Now understand I am speaking only of Chinese girls, I only have experience with the Chinese.
Many of these girls worked in restraunts and other low paying jobs and wanted to make some money.
I know a girl that was recently offered a job with a local corporation to deal with their computers systems in some manner.
She had experience in China and apparently had the qualifications.
She chose to remain a massage girl, better money.
These laws are seizure laws pure and simple, the girls are doing something wrong ie: giving hand jobs. The police become aware, the owners may or may not approve of these activities
"if they are even aware of it at all" prostitution arrest shortly follow, then they turn the girls even if it requires them lying, and go after the owner, their properties and money and keep it for themselves.
Just like the drug dealers, and your right they could really give a shit less a out the girls themselves!
- eyecu2
- 02-09-2020, 07:25 AM
The state of pa does make it more difficult to be prosecuted because if the police cant directly see evidence of wrong doing, then its hard for them to prove it privately happening without an undercover LEO going in. Pa laws on recording conversations is really strict in that legally they must obtain permission from any party who would otherwise assume privacy to record them. Both video and specifically audio. If its in a public area -totally different as there is no assumption of privacy in public.