GFE/PSE

Ok, so I know this subject has been discussed many times and im not sure how recently either but for the newbies on board lets get an up to date view and more honest version on what people expect from these terms...GFE AND PSE. When I google both it gets a constant meaning on both as I see it but people get it twisted. Some people have an expectation on one of the other, and when a girl says they provide one of the other it ends up being the opposite and of course the guy is disappointed. To me GFE means: passionate, unrushed and unforgettable experience that you would expect from a girlfriend, PSE means: pretty much "anything" is open during the session (like you would see in a porn film). So why do some say they offer PSE and say no this and no that? Shouldn't they say GFE only or "true GFE".......What's your take?

Let me take a stab at this...

GFE - First and foremost, in my opinion, GFE is not something one can obtain in just a 30 min or 1 hr session when meeting someone for the first time. Sure, there are activities someone likes such as dfk, bbbj, daty, and mpcfs...however...

The real GFE comes from repeat sessions. Afterall, a girlfriend is someone you see often, not just for a one night stand. Might as well call it the ''One Night Stand Experience'' if you don't go back to see them. This is why I review the same ladies as one can see the progression of a true ''Girlfriend Experience'' evolve over time (one might also say that a lady has GFE potential in some cases if not planning on a repeat visit). I would say this experience goes much deeper than just activities within a one hour or shorter session. Some might go as far as have more extended sessions (90 minutes up to a few hours), go out on dates, do overnights, and other activities one might do with an actual girlfriend. The hour or less type of sessions where you meet someone for the first time to me are just introductory sessions to find out if you are compatible or have chemistry with the lady being seen, then a girlfriend experience is pursued if the experience was worth repeating (I would say there needs to be agreement on both sides on repeat visits...if a lady turns down the gentleman to see him again, can't be a gfe can it?). Some ladies will offer a more engaging girlfriend experience than others and ymmv on OTC activity such as communication outside of setting up appointments, hanging out, grabbing drinks somewhere, etc. Have had a much better outlook on the term GFE with this perspective.

But to most, GFE will contain stuff such as certain activities that are offered as mentioned above along with things like non clock watcher, passionate, conversation etc....

When someone says they offer GFE, I usually don't see it the same as most do so I often overlook that in a lady's ad if they say they offer it since most gents don't report what I'd consider to be a GFE. Usually if the menu (does they lady in question provide everything I want to do to live out my fantasy?), rate (not only is she affordable for her time, but is she affordable on a repeatable basis or for extended hours?), and reviews are solid (not only yes recommendations, but consistency throughout the presentations from appointment set up to leaving the incall/outcall), a connection is often sought or made. Then once a first visit happens, then if repeat visits happen, a girlfriend experience is often formed since you continue to see the same person like a girlfriend while the lady agrees to see you again in the same respect. In the end, no strings attached. Relationships have formed in the hobby before and is not uncommon, but that is a topic for another thread. Not to also mention, a review is not necessary after ever single visit to the same lady. But would make more sense if someone reviewed someone for the first time, but it was their fifth or tenth time seeing them and exclaimed, ''She is an amazing GFE!!!"

Hope I am making sense and can feel the gyst of what I am trying to say here. No one has to agree with my perspective on what I think GFE is, that is fine if it is just a list of activities one might find during an appointment (to be honest this is just my own definition while others I know have their idea traditionally as to what GFE is also...no really right or wrong here), but just from my experiences it makes the most sense to me. Have had much better success finding what I am looking for with these things in mind.

PSE - This can involve many activities one might find in their favorite porno films. Dirty talking, role playing, dressing up in heels and sexy attire as seen on film, Deepthroating, gagging, facefucking greek sex, CIM/COB/COF, BDSM, etc. Can still be passionate, but more or less is usually more involved with what you would see while watching your favorite porn site and a little more dirty or intense. I personally often seek more of these types of sessions while also with those who provide a gfe. These are usually one hour sessions or thirty minute variety, or sometimes events like doubles or orgies. Not everyone, but some of the best providers know exactly how to mix in a great ''Girlfriend Experience'' with a hell of a porn star experience once you get BCD.

I’m largely in agreement with Dr. Grey, though they are marketing terms that mean different things to different providers. Some claim to provide GFE when what you really get is basic service within a BBBJ.

So my take, with which others may agree or disagree, is …

Quick/Basic/3G (Get in, get off, get out)

This is the kind of sex you have with a girl you picked up in a bar. You don’t really like each other but feel the need to get off, so you go knock one out. You go someplace private go straight to work. There’s just enough foreplay to get ready, then on to the main event. The moment you pop, you’re ready to leave and she’s ready to get rid of you. Catch your breath, tidy up, and get out.

Girlfriend Experience

This is the kind of sex you have with a girl you kinda like and are thinking about starting a longer relationship with, but aren’t too sure about. Happens a lot in college. You go back to her apartment, spend a bit of time chatting, then start making out and exploring each other’s bodies. Things progress, you have a long and leisurely screw and maybe a second round. Afterward, you pet each other, chat a bit more, leisurely get dressed, and leave with the sense that “that was fun, we should do it again sometime.”

I think that Grey’s take on GFE is more like a serious girlfriend, the kind you take out on dates and get to know as a person and feel more of an intellectual and emotional connection. Rather nice, I must say, and a perfectly valid definition. Maybe my definition above is more of a FWB experience and Grey’s is “true” GFE – or maybe I’m talking about a casual girlfriend and he’s talking about a serious girlfriend. Maybe we need different terms?

Porn Star Experience

This is the kind of sex you have when you want to go wild and do things that are too perverse and intense to have in your ordinary routine. It could be a girl you just met, or a girlfriend you’ve had for a while, but you both agree on having “one to remember.” So you go to her place and do the kinkiest things you can think of to one another. Afterward, you’re a little bit ashamed of yourself and have a hard time looking each other in the eye – but it was serious fun and you’d want to do it again … maybe next month, because you can’t handle that kind of thing every day.


One last thought – the kind of session you have depends on you and the provider. You might have quick service the first time you meet, GFE for a session or two, and PSE every once in a while - all with the same provider. So I wouldn’t go by what a provider claims to offer in advance. It’s more of an evaluation after-the-fact of that particular session on that particular day.

As strange as it sounds to say it in this context, communication is key: tell the girl what you want, and if you’ve failed to do that, it’s your fault if you don’t get it. That sounds a bit bitchy, but I’ve read a few negative reviews about limited services and wondered “did he even ask?”

And, to accept guilt, I’ve had sessions that were less than expected because I failed to communicate expectations clearly (generally because I was having fun at the time and didn’t want to interrupt the flow of the session to make a specific request), but I accept the blame for that and wouldn’t fault the provider for it.

Both of the previous post make some valid points. I think Dr.Grey's comment regrading "potential GFE"is spot on.

I think that Grey’s take on GFE is more like a serious girlfriend, the kind you take out on dates and get to know as a person and feel more of an intellectual and emotional connection. Rather nice, I must say, and a perfectly valid definition. Maybe my definition above is more of a FWB experience and Grey’s is “true” GFE – or maybe I’m talking about a casual girlfriend and he’s talking about a serious girlfriend. Maybe we need different terms? Originally Posted by John4229

My take on GFE is mostly if a gentleman repeats and sees the same lady on a regular basis (also meaning the lady is willing to continue to see the gent regularly). A gent might consider the lady part of their ''eternal rotation''. Doesn't necessarily mean they have to see them for extended sessions or dates. I'd say if someone is seeing the same girl each week or once a month, then they have found a girlfriend experience. There are levels of GFE more deeper than others once you start getting into extended sessions, dates, overnights etc. But doesn't have to include those things or go that route as most experiences are typically one hour sessions. I don't think we need different terms really as there are no strings attached in the end. Every lady has their level of gfe they are willing to provide.

John makes a nice description how an appointment would go when exploring the GFE route and is traditionally how most would view that experience without having to go further or repeat seeing someone. That is a perfectly fine description of how a session in that regard would go and I think we both have valid descriptions of what GFE is (or GFE Potential even). As mentioned previously, there is really no right or wrong answer here. Afterall, it is fantasy and should be able to find whatever suits your needs at the time whether it be a gfe or a pse.

Would really like to see some ladies views of GFE and PSE...

Good points made and I too would like to know the ladies point of view.

My take on GFE is mostly if a gentleman repeats and sees the same lady on a regular basis (also meaning the lady is willing to continue to see the gent regularly). A gent might consider the lady part of their ''eternal rotation''. Doesn't necessarily mean they have to see them for extended sessions or dates. I'd say if someone is seeing the same girl each week or once a month, then they have found a girlfriend experience. There are levels of GFE more deeper than others once you start getting into extended sessions, dates, overnights etc. But doesn't have to include those things or go that route as most experiences are typically one hour sessions. I don't think we need different terms really as there are no strings attached in the end. Every lady has their level of gfe they are willing to provide.

John makes a nice description how an appointment would go when exploring the GFE route and is traditionally how most would view that experience without having to go further or repeat seeing someone. That is a perfectly fine description of how a session in that regard would go and I think we both have valid descriptions of what GFE is (or GFE Potential even). As mentioned previously, there is really no right or wrong answer here. Afterall, it is fantasy and should be able to find whatever suits your needs at the time whether it be a gfe or a pse.

Would really like to see some ladies views of GFE and PSE... Originally Posted by Dr. Grey

Sa Angel is a GFE , 1. She takes time to know you 2. Spends hours pleaseing you . 3. Spends time picking your brain to improve on next session , and is not a dumb ass hooktard , " hell I feel like a science project with her " she is very educated

Milo, great comments on one of SA's finest. SA Angel is special!!

Isn't GFE when she spends 30 minutes bitching at you, tells you she has a headache, leaves to another room, and you are left there with your thoughts to finish the job yourself?

Isn't GFE when she spends 30 minutes bitching at you, tells you she has a headache, leaves to another room, and you are left there with your thoughts to finish the job yourself? Originally Posted by SARufus

I think that would be "wife experience" ... or "backpage experience" .... or just "bad experience."

"Wife Experience" is the same thing as the GFE, except when ever you go to take care of yourself, she keeps walking in and interrupting you.

Sa Angel is a GFE , 1. She takes time to know you 2. Spends hours pleaseing you . 3. Spends time picking your brain to improve on next session , and is not a dumb ass hooktard , " hell I feel like a science project with her " she is very educated Originally Posted by milo

+1. Which is why I'm sure she gets a lot of repeat visitors and provides a great gfe to them. Nice post.

Great comments gentlemen!!

Per their ads, some of the girls seem to interpret PSE as greek.

GFE is supposed to be girlfriend experience, but there are plenty of girls that list GFE in their ads but do not allow french kissing, which makes it even more confusing hobbyists.

Back in the day, things like "GFE to the max" and "Ultra GFE" in the description were code for bareback, nowadays you see these headlines in reviews all the time and it doesn't mean anything.

Hobby vernacular is always changing.......

Per their ads, some of the girls seem to interpret PSE as greek.

GFE is supposed to be girlfriend experience, but there are plenty of girls that list GFE in their ads but do not allow french kissing, which makes it even more confusing hobbyists.

Back in the day, things like "GFE to the max" and "Ultra GFE" in the description were code for bareback, nowadays you see these headlines in reviews all the time and it doesn't mean anything.

Hobby vernacular is always changing....... Originally Posted by BorderCrosser

Exactly. It doesn't matter what we (the hobbyist) think the terms mean as long as they (the providers) have no clue. I don't think even we totally agree on what is what.