Will Oversupply Of Foreign EVs And Lack Of Demand Set Off The Next Global Financial Shock?

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Will Oversupply Of Foreign EVs And Lack Of Demand Set Off The Next Global Financial Shock?
Ronald Stein March 25, 2022

Amid tougher emissions regulations worldwide, established automakers are racing to add more EVs to their lineup. A Reuters analysis found that global automakers such as Audi, BMW, Hyundai, Fiat, Volkswagen, GM, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, Daimler, and Chrysler plan to spend a combined U.S. $300 billion on EVs over the next decade as car companies are betting big on EV’s. Most of the EV’s will be manufactured in foreign countries far removed from American ports.

China came from zero production in 1950, to where it now produces more cars than the USA, Japan, and India collectively. The 6-minute video of the automobile manufacturing “needle” shows how the foreign manufacturing dominance occurred over that 69-year period.
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Automobiles manufactured per year.

               1950              2019

China          None              28 million

United States    8 million       11 million

Japan           31 thousand       9.8 million

India           15 thousand       5 million

Germany        300 thousand       5 million

South Korea    None               4 million
Bringing those foreign built cars to America may be an insurmountable insurance problem.

The Felicity Ace, a 650-foot-long cargo ship carrying hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of luxury cars sunk in March 2022. The salvage crew working on the burning ship said electric-vehicle batteries were part of the reason it was still aflame after several days. The estimated market value of the Felicity Ace was $24.5 million, while the total value of the 3,965 vehicles could be over $500 million.

With potential fires from EV batteries, who’s going to take the insurance responsibility for their safe passage from the foreign manufacturers to American ports — the cargo ships, or the manufacturers?

With more than 40% of the EV’s in America being in California at the end of 2020, the EV popularity in California has gotten California Governor Newsom so excited to that he issued an executive order to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles by 2035.

The EV popularity in California inspired President Biden to want the rest of the country to follow California’s lead and issued a new executive order that pushes for half of all new cars sold in America by 2030 to be electric vehicles.

Even with the great California year-round weather, the states’ EV user’s experiences do not bode well for projected EV sales in America as the states’ EV users may be sending a caution-to-the-wind (no pun intended) message to America that the EV usage in the state reflects very conservative notices to future EV owners.

A few reasons why Californians may be sending the wrong message to America are:
  1. The limited usage of the EV’s of about 5,000 miles per year is a reflection that the EV is a second vehicle, for those that can afford a second vehicle, and not the family workhorse vehicle.
  2. The primary owners of EV’s are the highly educated and financially well off, and not representative of the majority that are middle to low income folks, or those on fixed incomes.
  3. EV owner incomes rank among the highest in the country which may reflect homeowners that have easier access to charging their EV from their multi-car garages, or for those folks living in new apartments that may have access to more convenient EV charging capabilities. Most car owners park in the street.
  4. According to ValuePenguin insurance, because electric vehicles cost more outright and are more expensive to repair, the average car insurance for an electric vehicle is about 23% more expensive than the cost for the equivalent combustion model.
  5. The ethnicity of Tesla owner’s skews toward Caucasians, at 87%. Owners who identify with Hispanic ethnicity make up 8% of Tesla owners, leaving 5% to other ethnicities.
  6. In California, the state with almost half the EV’s in the entire country, from that limited elite ownership group, there is a growing percentage of those California EV users that are switching back to gasoline cars, which is sending a message that may further deflate EV growth projections.

As Pew Research reported in June, “In each of the past three years, EVs accounted for about 2% of the U.S. new-car market.” In 2020, EV sales totaled 252,548, less than 3% of the 14,240, 548 passenger and light trucks sold. The reasons why EVs aren’t grabbing consumers by the tailpipe are many, but the main ones are affordability, charging and range functionality, and the possible exposure to inclement weather.

Another challenge for EV growth is charging dependence on intermittent electricity generated from breezes and sunshine. Adding EV charging loads onto a grid that is becoming more unstable is like putting salt in a wound. Power outages are now commonplace in California and Texas with more to follow throughout the nation as we adjust to a life dependent upon the time of day and the weather.

Until the current elite owners can demonstrate to the middle-income and those on fixed incomes that their EV’s are their primary family workhorse vehicles in all kinds of weather conditions, the less fortunate will most likely remain reluctant to buy into the EV evolution. Growing the supply chain for EV’s without a corresponding growth in demand, could be an economic disaster in the works.

Growing the supply chain in foreign countries for EV’s without a corresponding growth in demand or an effective way to transport via cargo ships those vehicles built in countries far removed from American ports, could be an economic disaster in the works.

Ronald Stein is an author, engineer, and energy expert who writes frequently on issues of energy and economics. Ron serves as a Policy advisor for The Heartland Institute on Energy, and National TV Commentator-Energy & Infrastructure with Rick Amato.
VitaMan's Avatar
no
Chung Tran's Avatar
I think Ford and GM will be supplying most of the US EV Market by 2026 and later.

So no.
Michael8219's Avatar
As long as capital markets remain relatively “free” and barring additional stupid regulation or widespread government prohibition on ICE vehicles, no.

But never underestimate the immorality, fraud, corruption, and propaganda media to continue their greedy and/or hungry power grab in the name of “climate crisis” without evaluating true energy demand and allowing a stable market with access to investment capital.

http://www.reuters.com/business/ener...um-2021-09-09/
matchingmole's Avatar
The Heartland Institute on Energy is a bullshit factory...............so no is the correct answer. They would rather all cars ran on coal
ICU 812's Avatar
And Electric cars are one aspect of the foreseeable future.

Lets assume that EVs are soon ubiquitous. Fine. And every night millions of emission free cars get parked in front of their respective suburban homes and plugged in to charge. What happens to the power grid? Recharging all those EVs will be a huge draw down . . .just as the sun goes down.

Yes, I have heard all about the battery storage for wind and solar . . .I am deeply skeptical. And what happens when there is a power outage due to bad weather? Or in California just because it is summer? Any truly cold weather location will be sub-optimal for the all-electric society. I grew up in Northern Michigan and know a=something of this. Think of Minnesota, Canada or Alaska for the worst case.

There may be viable solutions other than wind and solar power generation, but many won't like them. Nuclear power for the near term is one. I have long wondered why there is not a Manhattan Project type all-in effort to develop fusion power. Another not trendy technology is fuel cells. We need all of these approaches including battery research along with wind and solar too.

It is my position that only a full court press in energy research will bring us out of the fossil-fuel age. I don't think that mandating EVs and banning all IC engines by 2030 (or whenever) will do it. Yet, I do believe that there will always be a place for the petroleum industry and the internal combustion engine. . . .a smaller place, but they too will play a part in our evolving future.
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‘Green’ Energy: An Exercise in Magical Thinking

“A single Tesla battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. At this rate, over the next thirty years we will need to mine more mineral ores than humans have extracted over the last 70,000 years. #GreenEnergy”

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“All energy-producing machinery must be fabricated from materials extracted from the earth. No energy system, in short, is actually “renewable,” since all machines require the continual mining and processing of millions of tons of primary materials and the disposal of hardware that inevitably wears out. Compared with hydrocarbons, green machines entail, on average, a 10-fold increase in the quantities of materials extracted and processed to produce the same amount of energy.”

- Mark P. Mills, Green Energy: A Reality Check

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dilbert firestorm's Avatar
theres the issue of electrical infrastructure. if the expected BEV sales surpass sales of ICE, current infrastructure is not capable of support more electrical loads of millions of BEVs charging. they are predicting that sales of BEV will surpass ICE sales in 2026. ICE sales will collapse. there obviously will be market disruptions taking place. they are saying this disruption will be short and take place very quickly.

so you have a situation like california is going thru, brownouts and blackouts would be a regular occurrence inspite of solar and wind connected to the grid.

regarding fusion, there is currently a cooperative effort on fusion R&D. the problem with this is that they can only run it for a short period of time. I think 5 minutes is the longest they've got running. this claim is supposedly from a chinese fusion reactor.

there needs to be an increase in nuclear power builds. the direction appears to be going towards multiple small reactors which could be built quickly.

current nuclear regulation is excessive.
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
BEV car has some issues most people don't realize.

expensive
range
maintenance issues
not very green
battery weight

BEVs are expensive. most consumers wont buy if they don't like what they're seeing. Big 2 are saying they're offering economical BEVs in their lineups. Trucks are someways off.

most BEV are in the 200 range. more expensive models can go 300 miles. its a different story during winter. battery range drops by half. it does not run well in cold weather and there is no heater. some batteries range drops down to just 64 miles. as the battery ages, the range decreases exponentially.

BEVs don't use the same type of lubricants ICE cars use. they're very specialized.

battery mining for lithium despoils 3rd world environments. a lot of waste material is discarded. Greenies don't give a shit apparently.

battery is very heavy at 1000lbs and thats for one with a 300 mile range. BEV with less range will have a less weighty battery.
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Just look into where the Cobalt comes form it shocking and the country behind ( use in ev battery )
And people thought blood diamonds are bad
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
one thing I forgot.

Majority of BEV sales are taking place in liberal states on the West Coast and in the North East. none in flyover states.

charging infrastructure isn't there.

the Big 2 claim to be investing $$$ to build charging stations which won't be compatible with Tesla BEVs.