An embryo is not a person

PZ Myers Biologist / Scientist and associate professor at University of Minnesota Morris. Author of Pharyngula

“An embryo is not a person”


I have to join with my colleague Revere in saying that I am pro-abortion. Furthermore, I find the willingness of the devout anti-choice mob to distort the evidence so appalling that I would not join with them in anything.


When I gave a talk at UW Stevens Point last week, there were a few protesters outside the building — friendly, non-violent people who I invited in to listen. It's a shame, though, that I was giving a neuroscience talk, since I also have a talk that rips into the bogus developmental biology that 'pro-lifers' use — and the group picketing me were Catholic right-to-life weirdos. They also were handing out flyers complaining about my desecration of crackers.


Myers hammered his rusty nail while gleefully boasting that "nothing is sacred." One has to wonder if he would likewise gleefully drive nails through the hands and feet of Christians he so publicly despises?! Obviously Christians themselves are not sacred to him.


There they go again, making my point for me. I do not think Christians or crackers are sacred, not because I devalue human life, but because "sacred" is an invalid rationale for doing so; the value comes from the individuals themselves, not from some imaginary decree from a nonexistent ghostly entity. It is also a great shame that Catholics so obliviously and so willingly equate themselves with crackers; they assume that because I would abuse a piece of bread, I would treat human beings in exactly the same way…apparently because they think that cracker is just as precious as a person.


That's a rather gross and dangerous error. A cracker is a flat piece of ground up vegetable matter, baked and processed, mostly inert, sold with the intent of being further broken down in someone's digestive system. Throwing it in the trash in no way implies that a complex and dynamic being can be similarly disposed of, or be casually destroyed and consumed. Sane people have an appropriate perspective on the relative importance of foodstuffs and human beings. Crazy people can't tell the difference.


And speaking of crazy people…one kind of insanity destroys the ability of normal people to distinguish between embryos and people, and encourages them to lie to others about the status of the embryo, treating it as the moral equivalent of a child. It's almost the same problem as revering a cracker over a person. A better question to ask is whether they would kill someone to defend a Jesus wafer? (And some, at least, have told me that they would.) Would they be willing to throw away their purported reverence for the sanctity of life to kill someone to defend a fetus? (We definitely know that some will.)


There are groups that are actively blurring the line between embryos and human beings, and I consider them just as wicked as the howling haters lined up outside women's health clinics — they use mistruths to foment attacks on people to defend non-people. One of the biggest, noisiest, and most dishonest is Pro Life Across America, which puts up billboards all across the US; we have a similar outfit here in my state, Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life.
Their work is easily recognizable. They have one theme: fetuses and babies are exactly the same. All of their signs feature cute baby pictures coupled to factoids about development, and they thoroughly enrage me — I see them all along the roadsides on my drive in to Minneapolis. They are basically generating false associations about development.

Here's a standard example:




Awww, cute plump smiling baby with eyes and ears and a tongue…and did you know he formed those in the first month of pregnancy? How can you support aborting adorable little children!
It's even sort of weakly, tenuously true. The embryo does have non-functional primordia of those organs at 28 days, but it's not exactly cute — it looks more like a worm — and it's only about 4mm (or about 2/10 of an inch) long. It's 'face' is a couple of branchial arches. If they wanted to be honest in their advertising, they ought to revise the billboard to look like this:






I suggest they add another line of copy, too: I also had a tail!
You get the idea. All of their billboards are like this, listing a known developmental landmark, the earlier the better, and showing a picture of a post-natal infant as if that has any relevance. It's an attempt to make an emotional tie to developmental events. It works with a lot of people, too, the people who are ignorant of reality — and of course, these ads do nothing to educate them.

Here's another of their ads that plays games with the concept of conception:






Yes, that baby did get his genes at conception. So? A collection of genes does not make a human being. There was no teeny-tiny infant spontaneously bursting into existence at the instant a sperm cell punched into an oocyte — it was something that looked like this:






This is a point absolutely and solidly established in biology. The embryo is not the adult. It does not contain the full information present in the newborn -- that will be generated progressively, by interactions with the environment and by complex internal negotiations within an increasingly complex embryo. Pretending that 46 chromosomes in a cell is sufficient to define a person is the most absurd kind of extreme biological reductionism.
The fertilized oocyte is a human cell, but it is not a human being.

Way too many people think that is a sacrilegious idea — we have to cherish every single scrap of human tissue, especially the bits that have the potential to go on and develop into a child.
No, we don't. We don't have to revere every block of rough marble because another Michaelangelo could come along and sculpt it into something as wonderful as his David; we don't have to treasure every scrap of canvas because the next Picasso is going to use it for a masterpiece. The value isn't in the raw materials, but in the pattern, the skill, the art put into it. Similarly, those cells are simply the raw clay that the process and time will sculpt into something that is worth love and care.
Which is more important, the pigments or the painting? Even worse, do you think the pigments are the painting?
A couple of additional points: notice how clever I was in not saying precisely when the fetus becomes a human being? That's because there is no sharp magical border, it's grey and fuzzy all the way. That's a social and personal decision. Don't even ask me when — I'm a guy. I don't have the same responsibilities as a pregnant woman, so I don't get the same privileges.
Also, some people are 'uneasy' about the whole abortion thing. Fine; don't get one. Your personal feelings of yuckiness shouldn't be a factor in deciding what other people do. Churches make me queasy, but I'm not planning to criminalize attendance.


http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2..._embryo_is.php
Agree. But, I won't argue with people about abortion anymore. It's a waste of time and energy.

Thanks for your post though. Interesting read.
I hear ya Tim.. glad you enjoyed the article.
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Pure garbage.
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If the anti-abortion movement took a tenth of the energy they put into noisy theatrics and devoted it to improving the lives of children who have been born into lives of poverty, violence, and neglect, they could make a positive difference.
If the anti-abortion movement took a tenth of the energy they put into noisy theatrics and devoted it to improving the lives of children who have been born into lives of poverty, violence, and neglect, they could make a positive difference. Originally Posted by Sweet N Little
Oh, wait. The anti-choicers are supposed to care about what happens to these children after they are born?!! I don't think it's occured to them.....
If the anti-abortion movement took a tenth of the energy they put into noisy theatrics and devoted it to improving the lives of children who have been born into lives of poverty, violence, and neglect, they could make a positive difference.
Originally Posted by Sweet N Little
Oh, wait. The anti-choicers are supposed to care about what happens to these children after they are born?!! I don't think it's occured to them..... Originally Posted by timpage
+1 to both of you.
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  • 02-24-2012, 12:19 PM
Oh, wait. The anti-choicers are supposed to care about what happens to these children after they are born?!! I don't think it's occured to them..... Originally Posted by timpage

sure it has ... the get to bitch about educating them, providing school lunches, and a plethora of social services that support kids
Great article and great comments!

However, here in the USA we're moving backwards. I think Santorum thinks life starts with a hard-on and Ron Paul thinks contraception breeds immorality.


How did such screwed up people get this far in the debates?


Well, except for Romney who actually likes BONDAGE...




for his DOG!
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http://abortiontv.com


The site I found when I was pregnant.
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Oh, wait. The anti-choicers are supposed to care about what happens to these children after they are born?!! I don't think it's occured to them..... Originally Posted by timpage


It's the bleeding heart liberal way. Personal responsibility is not needed with the nanny state holding your hand. Don't you know abortion is how we cheat. We cheat that little critter out of a life because hey, it's not really alive or anything.
No, what's better is having the government and the church telling you when and where you'll be having family whether you're ready for it or not. It's not hand-holding, it's more like getting hit over the head or dragged by the feet.....by the government and the pious self-righteous.

And, as I've always said, I'll take the bleeding heart label anytime over the callous, non-caring, holier-than-thou attitude of those who want to force women to have children that they are ill-equipped financially and emotionally to care for and to then say...."good luck with it. By the way, we're closing down Planned Parenthood where you were previously able to get some contraception and other health-care benefits. Oh, and good luck getting a job so you can pay for any of this yourself since you have to stay home and care for the little one we made you have for the next 5 years at least. Oh, and those health-care benefits you and your little one we made you have might have qualified for under Obama's plan? We'll get rid of those as soon as we can." Outrageous hyprocrites.

Damn it, I said I wasn't going to argue about abortion.u
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+1

To each his/her own but..

No woman can call herself free who does not own and control her body.
No agenda there at that site.

A sperm is actually a living cell.


And when someone's inbred first cousin or brother impregnates them, the resulting pregnancy still produces a fertilized egg that becomes a fetus that can be carried to full term.


In our next program we'll be looking at how some politicians are helping to convert bi-polar, low-IQ'ed rapists from monsters into loving and supporting fathers.


Politicians like Santorum would try to overturn Roe v. Wade and think that even a birth from rape is God's gift.


What does freedom of/from religious beliefs mean if that woman is an atheist who doesn't believe in God?


Geeeeeesh! Women should have the right to choose.
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Choice has never been the issue. Choice is what brought us here. In the case of rape which is the exception not the rule you have a choice to kill the fetus, have it and raise it, or give it up for adoption.

Choices good and bad are what build character / integrity, using abortion as a means of birth control means you started with a bad choice that makes you choose the path in which you must go.
Unfortunately since I am male even if I wanted the baby and would release the mother of any responsibilities for the child I have no choice in the matter, hell I might not even know about the abortion.
The choice is always the woman's and she has to live with it the rest of her life.
So I guess you can say that I am pro choice, but not pro abortion. With the exception of rape you need to start with a wise choice and except responsibility for the choice. I am tired of the entitlement attitude in this country. You know I should have free health care, free contraceptives, free abortions, and anything else I need for my bad choices.