Business Forum

Please consider a forum where the business who cater to us ladies can be reviewed on this site, good or bad so that we can make great decisions on who we chose to do business with..ie photographers, webdesigners etc.

There is a site out there now that does this..

It is one thing for business to have links of their work but is only what they chose to show potential clients...and maybe one sided. Not everyones experience is the same.

Please consider a forum where the business who cater to us ladies can be reviewed on this site, good or bad so that we can make great decisions on who we chose to do business with..ie photographers, webdesigners etc.

There is a site out there now that does this..

It is one thing for business to have links of their work but is only what they chose to show potential clients...and maybe one sided. Not everyones experience is the same. Originally Posted by Euphemia

There is a site out there now that does this..

What site is this ?

It is one thing for business to have links of their work but is only what they chose to show potential clients...and maybe one sided. Not everyones experience is the same.

The business forum is just that.... a review forum for all intents and purposes and when folks want to say something about the experience they have had they do.
Yes ..Advertiser put ads there but anyone can comment on the ad in the forum and such.
Even folks that haven't done business with that business. They are allowed to express their opinion too. The sad fact is that many satisfied clients don't review or mention businesses until asked, or feel someone isn't getting a fair shake.

They just don't call it reviews. There is also alerts forum, the national forum and almost any place except provider ads and provider reviews that folks can make their opinions known.... which is what a REVIEW is.

I am curious....What would a separate review for businesses accomplish that isn't already being done?

I am curious....What would a separate review for businesses accomplish that isn't already being done? Originally Posted by MagnificMedia

My question as well. The Business Services forum (can be) and is a defacto review forum now. IF someone has something to say about the advertiser OP they are free to do so, as we have seen recently. We are not going to censor or silence a members comments, as long as its within the general board guidelines.

My question as well. The Business Services forum (can be) and is a defacto review forum now. IF someone has something to say about the advertiser OP they are free to do so, as we have seen recently. We are not going to censor or silence a members comments, as long as its within the general board guidelines. Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

Hi Chica, it is good to know that the business section is the appropriate place for service reviews ( good, or bad). Until recently it is something that has remained unclear to many women. When I look up the forum guidelines for the business section this is what is there…

"Business Services for Providers Use this forum to post on the wide range of business services available to providers. (Website design, screening & scheduling, photography, etc.) You may advertise your services here or providers "in need of" business services may post here as well."


From the way it is currently worded it is easy to understand why many women would not feel comfortable posting a complaint in the business section. I personally think that a separate forum is the best way to go, but if that is just not an option maybe someone could rewrite the business forum guidelines in a more inclusive way. So that women will know that they are not out of line if they need to post a complaint in there.

I realize that the focus has been on MM over the past few days, but I am speaking in general terms here. The services that are offered to escorts has really just exploded over the past few years. Most of the people involved are honest, and knowledgeable, but there are a tiny number that could do some serious damage to this community (however unintentional) if there is not some type of system set up that makes people accountable for their own actions.

I know that I can sound like a absolute pest on this issue, but I honestly think it is important. I will even promise to completely stay out of the business section if I know that there is a way for people to speak up without being made to feel inappropriate for it.Hell, I will even disable my account, take my rabbits and go home if eccie will just give them a separate forum to safely vent in.

The BSfP is the place for that. I don't anticipate there would be many complaints for the various advertisers in there, but if there is, any member would be free to voice their complaint. No need to hide or move anything, public-view customer complaints and how they are handled are an important process, just like on any number of consumer complaint websites out there. No need for a re-write of anything.

What I DO NOT want to happen is a general trashing of some particular advertiser every time the post something. If someone has something to say about a particular advertiser, say it, resolve it (or not), and move on. All historical posts and ads are always visible to anyone that wants to look, no need to repeatedly bring up general topics and complaints. Get specific once or get out of it. Clear enough?

Hi Chica, it is good to know that the business section is the appropriate place for service reviews ( good, or bad). Until recently it is something that has remained unclear to many women. When I look up the forum guidelines for the business section this is what is there…

"Business Services for Providers Use this forum to post on the wide range of business services available to providers. (Website design, screening & scheduling, photography, etc.) You may advertise your services here or providers "in need of" business services may post here as well."


From the way it is currently worded it is easy to understand why many women would not feel comfortable posting a complaint in the business section. I personally think that a separate forum is the best way to go, but if that is just not an option maybe someone could rewrite the business forum guidelines in a more inclusive way. So that women will know that they are not out of line if they need to post a complaint in there.

I realize that the focus has been on MM over the past few days, but I am speaking in general terms here. The services that are offered to escorts has really just exploded over the past few years. Most of the people involved are honest, and knowledgeable, but there are a tiny number that could do some serious damage to this community (however unintentional) if there is not some type of system set up that makes people accountable for their own actions.

I know that I can sound like a absolute pest on this issue, but I honestly think it is important. I will even promise to completely stay out of the business section if I know that there is a way for people to speak up without being made to feel inappropriate for it.Hell, I will even disable my account, take my rabbits and go home if eccie will just give them a separate forum to safely vent in. Originally Posted by Katy Alexander

Katy,
I have a great idea.
Aren't you heavily involved/ owner /part owner in the a site dedicated to supporting the escort provider side of this business?

Why not have CC put a Provider Friendly Business Review forum there and advertise it here in this business forum.

It even seems more appropriate since the sight is designed to help the provider/escort side.

I bet ECCIE admins would be ok with that. Wouldn't that solve this issue?
You could let ladies know about it in the powder room too and such seeing how you are a verified provider.

OR you could start a KATY"S LIST...kind of like Angies"s List for provider friendly businesses.

How about when ladies have a bad experience and it turns into a thread, it gets linked to the Business Service Providers account like any other review? Good and bad?

The BSfP is the place for that. I don't anticipate there would be many complaints for the various advertisers in there, but if there is, any member would be free to voice their complaint. No need to hide or move anything, public-view customer complaints and how they are handled are an important process, just like on any number of consumer complaint websites out there. No need for a re-write of anything.

What I DO NOT want to happen is a general trashing of some particular advertiser every time the post something. If someone has something to say about a particular advertiser, say it, resolve it (or not), and move on. All historical posts and ads are always visible to anyone that wants to look, no need to repeatedly bring up general topics and complaints. Get specific once or get out of it. Clear enough? Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

That is good to know..Thanks. Not to worry, I promise to stay out of BSP for my own sanity, but it is nice to know that people here do have a place to go if anyone has a problem.

Edit to add...Tia I am not owner/part owner of any other site. But, I have posted on CC in the past ( I am not sure if that is what you are referring to). I honestly do not know where you get your facts from, but that one was actually quite flattering.

Take care

This is all interesting to me - I posted once in the BSfP (as I provide web hosting, email, site design, and digital marketing services for both adult and "vanilla" clients) though I think a review area would be fantastic.

In fact, I would be more inclined to post with frequency if I knew such a review area existed.

How about when ladies have a bad experience and it turns into a thread, it gets linked to the Business Service Providers account like any other review? Good and bad? Originally Posted by ~Ze~

This is what I had in mind Ze...another site, does this

The BSfP is the place for that. I don't anticipate there would be many complaints for the various advertisers in there, but if there is, any member would be free to voice their complaint. No need to hide or move anything, public-view customer complaints and how they are handled are an important process, just like on any number of consumer complaint websites out there. No need for a re-write of anything.

What I DO NOT want to happen is a general trashing of some particular advertiser every time the post something. If someone has something to say about a particular advertiser, say it, resolve it (or not), and move on. All historical posts and ads are always visible to anyone that wants to look, no need to repeatedly bring up general topics and complaints. Get specific once or get out of it. Clear enough? Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

I think there would be more complaints, If more ladies knew that we could complain ... but I do not feel that the current forum lends to this type of discussion based on recent threads. I wanted to add to things but the threads got closed. So if I have a similar issue that occurred at the same time in the same manner do I have to start a new thread that is redundant. If this were to be a true review of the business as in the ladies review, the business could not post in the thread as ladies cannot post in their review threads. Because of the nature of this business, many tend to take their losses when we are done wrong...

I think there would be more complaints, If more ladies knew that we could complain ... but I do not feel that the current forum lends to this type of discussion based on recent threads. I wanted to add to things but the threads got closed. So if I have a similar issue that occurred at the same time in the same manner do I have to start a new thread that is redundant. If this were to be a true review of the business as in the ladies review, the business could not post in the thread as ladies cannot post in their review threads. Because of the nature of this business, many tend to take their losses when we are done wrong... Originally Posted by Euphemia

Let me apologize upfront. This is lengthy, but I have given great thought to this. With events of late, I have given so much thought to this subject.
I have some, what, I feel are sound general thoughts and points on this. This is by no means meant to belittle the OPs original point, only to enhance everyone's view.

Sometimes the obvious isn't quiet so obvious. It is no secret, I have never been a big fan of reviews for escorts. I favor reviews for business in main stream business wholeheartedly. But with certain caveats and recognizing certain differences between escort reviews and business reviews, which I will cover below.

I believe that IF the status quo was the following, if for 90% of the businesses who serve the escort community (or business in general) were to have to have reviews, and the result without them was businesses would not receive much ,if any business, like the escort business is, then certainly more people/patrons might participate on both sides but it's not. The majority of the time a comment is made due to someones unhappiness with a business not there satisfaction ... unlike the review process here for most escorts.

Why is that you may suddenly be wondering?

Well let us not forget that the #1 reasons reviews exist on ladies is the legality issues of escorting.
Internet reviews became the main way of determining if a lady advertising herself was a safe choice. example: not LE or the out and out criminal, as in hits you over the head and robs you.

Yes in the decade or so since internet reviews were born, other aspects of reviewing have become popular. Like the ROS where, if it doesn't read like a good porn script the review isn't allowed or if allowed it is boo'd by the other potential and past patrons. Why ?.... because men derive enjoyment mentally from hearing and reading the detail of that sort. You are never going to have participants in business transactions of a normal nature do reviews to that degree because it just isn't that interesting to the average patron to read or to write.
Imagine a lady reviewing the services of a hair stylist... and the additional comments from the ladies who read it went like this.....

SUSY Hairstylist Review: From Lolla Smith
Hair was done right? Yes
Stylist was kind and courteous? Yes
Amount you paid? $$$$
Would you recommend the stylist? Yes
ROS: as Susy ( not sure if that is her real name) began to apply the hair color I was so excited, I could just imagine what the end result was going be even before she was finished. She oh so slowly applied each drop of that color to the point I was shaking all over with anticipation of the outcome. ect etc...
if regular patrons were like hobbyist about this kind of stuff the comments might read as follows:
COCO: damn sis I can't wait to get in there and have some of that...
Tater Tots: She didn't do it like that when I saw her my experience was lack luster and boring!
COCO: well you know she has that sign that says YMMV.
Friedaweida: Well after that review I think I am am goin in bitches
Bing Bam Boom: Yall bitches is crazy... that is way too much to pay... go get ya a box of clairol

Truly I am not trying to make light of the seriousness of feeling ripped off by someone, but instead to make the point, that when it comes to regular business many won't participate because the reason behind the interest are vastly different.

The ROS on reviews is also to outline the very personal dealings between the two parties, because the patrons of said craft want to know if her/the escort's services is one that he will enjoy. And as we all know, many escorts for legal reasons and the personal nature of this business do not, cannot or will not post exactly a blow by blow ( no pun intended) of what her services include, thus the review will enlighten potential future patrons. Imagine if you went to the Dry Cleaners and they had a sign that said YMMV. ( just a little humor). Or a web designer website said YMMV.What would that mean? Once again to say doing reviews here on this board in the same manner as an escort review makes no sense to me.

Another difference is, regular business on the other hand, can advertise what you get for your money and can even use contracts to outline what a patron can expect, AND MOST DO, this is their YMMV is to some degree.

Imagine if when the hobbyist arrived at the incall or the escort arrived to the outcall and before anything transpired, she whipped out a contract and said please READ and Sign this. Imagine if he insisted on a receipt. Many ladies and hobbyist for obvious reasons only take/use cash and want no record of the transaction. Hobbyist and provider alike want total anonymity and get it in many cases. Something I am always recommending ladies NOT settle for for safety reasons. I recently told a provider to tell her potential patrons the following PLEASE DONT CONFUSE ANONYMITY WITH DISCRETION. Anonymity is knowing nothing about someone, Descretion is agreeing to not share what you know. Why did I advise her of this? Because she was having a hard time screening due to a lack of references and information about the potential patrons contacting her and they were using the excuse of discretion.

My point being that there are many differences in why and how we review escorts and how and why regular businesses can and should be reviewed.

Not to mention.... probably the number one gripe, admins/mods get on this board is from ladies who don't like that they cannot see what was written about them in the ROS and as a result they are unable to defend themselves. They feel it is unfair to have someone say things about them that may be unsubstantiated, strictly ones opinion or even out and out lies and they have no recourse. Why is it that the board does not allow comments? Because then it just becomes a pissing contest, a he said she said with both parties feeling the need to defend themselves. Much like events of late. This board's name maybe Escort Community Information Exchange but the number one purpose of this board is escort reviews. It will always be it's main focus. Does it allow other info to be exchanged? Of course, but it was born for the purpose of helping men decide where to spend their money and satisfy their expectations.
By the same course, they don't allow anyone to post where escorts put their ads. Unlike in the business forum here where they allow any and all comments to be placed right in the advertisement and it is used for both good and bad. Even folks who have never done business like in the men's review can weigh in.

Now Mainstream business review boards, like the one I think Euphemia mentioned..... I can only assume it's Angie's list she is referring to if not it's the best example because it is the most successful of them.

So for the sake of example I will use it.

On most boards that have caught on like Angie's. Please remember that in order to post a review on that board you must be willing to divulge exactly who you are. This board (ECCIE) is rightfully shrouded in anonymity due to the nature of the board.
The reason Angie's requires non-anonymity is to make people doing the reviewing accountable just as the business is being held accountable.
Also as a business that serves the escort industry and like many others who do... I often don't ever know the real name of my client, her home address or and other personal info. That's a privileged I allow my patrons so they feel safe. All the while I am very non-anonymous to most of my clients. Many escorts do not afford their patrons that That is not the case in mainstream business. So sometimes provider friendly businesses have some disadvantage much like the patrons of said businesses do.
Here is how Angie's List Promotes it's self:
Why Angie's List is better than free review sites:

• No anonymous reviews. Can't happen here all reviews are intentionally anonymous
  
• Certified data collection process prevents companies and providers from reporting on themselves or their competitors. Mods have their hands full doing this for Escorts Already
  
• Our Complaint Resolution Team will intercede if a home repair or health experience goes bad. ECCIE doesn't even do this for Escorts I sure they won't for business disputes
  
• Companies and providers respond to reports, so you get the whole story. Which what takes place here in the Business forum
  

What you get: WHEN YOU PAY TO JOIN only Hobbyist pay here not escorts

• Access to great local reviews on AngiesList.com.
• Live support through our call center.
• Award-winning Angie's List magazine.
• Access to our Complaint Resolution Team.
• Discounts from highly rated service companies.

I am positive the majority of the ladies here don't wish to have to pay to be here or advertise here ect and I am pretty sure that since ECCIE would gain no monetary effect they aren't going to give free membership for reviews of businesses either.
Our data is certified


Before they're posted, all reviews are checked in order to guard against providers and companies that try to report on themselves or their competitors. This process was reviewed and approved during a 2012 audit by BPA Worldwide. ONCE AGAIN NOT GONNA HAPPEN HERE I AM SURE







So my point in all this and my feeling is that I don't see ECCIE ever doing what's been suggested for any number of reasons stated above and ones I haven't even thought of.
I also want to state the obvious that may not be so obvious which is, we are comparing apples and oranges in so many respects, when talking mainstream business to provider friendly business.

And finally the best advice when doing business... WITH ANY BUSINESS, is:

• GET WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR IN WRITING
• ASK ALL THE QUESTION BEFORE & WHEN DOING BUSINESS
• DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN MAKING SURE THAT THE BUSINESS AND YOUR EXPECTATIONS LINE UP.
• DON"T TAKE THINGS FOR GRANTED. EVERY BUSINESS IS DIFFERENT
• BE AS GOOD A CUSTOMER AS YOU WANT THE BUSINESS TO BE A GOOD BUSINESS
• RESEARCH THE MARKET
• RECOGNIZE GOOD VALUE AND CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT

Please note:
be prepared if you want it in writing you may have to give up some anonymity. Many businesses will not be willing to write and sign a contract with a provider and allow you to put her name as Twinkles Squirt or WET Wendy unless she has legally changed it to that.
Why...because it affords them the business no protection and truthfully it probably negates the provider's as well. NOW deciding if or how you want to enforce that contract on either side could be tricky...

Imagine standing in small claims court and the judge calls the case of Wendy wet vs ABC photography. ( sorry more humor, but I am trying to keep it entertaining to those who may have no real dog in this hunt )


I would remind everyone that when it comes to commenting/reviewing on who you do business with IF YOU HAVE HAD A GOOD EXPERIENCE POST IT as some do...We need each other. Be truthful in your comments about business. I understand that there are two sides to every story however we all know sometimes people lie on both sides of that.

But like the saying "The squeaky wheel always gets the oil" implies please remember that unlike escort reviews (for the reasons stated above) Businesses good reviews especially in this business are always going to be the exception and not the rule.


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A sincere question. What is the point you are trying to make is this post?

A sincere question. What is the point you are trying to make is this post? Originally Posted by Ansley

So my point in all this and my feeling is that I don't see ECCIE ever doing what's been suggested for any number of reasons stated above and ones I haven't even thought of.
I also want to state the obvious that may not be so obvious which is, we are comparing apples and oranges in so many respects, when talking mainstream business to provider friendly business.


Oh to let people know they have recourse here but to consider the differences in Provider Business vs Regular Mainstream Business.

I hope this helps.

Dude.... it doesn't even have to be nearly as complicated as you made it out to be above. This smaller scale, like amazon reviews. Can be a lengthy exploration of services, but most likely will just be a short note of a positive experience.

The issue really is - how to make it easy to track the reports from service customers in a forum where threads get buried too easily.

The issue really is - how to make it easy to track the reports from service customers in a forum where threads get buried too easily. Originally Posted by ~Ze~

Right below the photographer sticky, place a 'business review' sticky. The name of the business should be in the title of the post, so that it would be easier to search the sticky.