No shit!!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/o...ebate.amp.html
Friedman actually thinks Biden can dictate the rules. Maybe Trump should ask for the Biden families financials. His brothers and Hunter!!!
BAHAHAHAHA
- bambino
- 07-08-2020, 08:32 PM
- The_Waco_Kid
- 07-08-2020, 09:17 PM
No shit!!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/o...ebate.amp.html
Friedman actually thinks Biden can dictate the rules. Maybe Trump should ask for the Biden families financials. His brothers and Hunter!!!
BAHAHAHAHA Originally Posted by bambino
that screed boiled down to one thing
FEAR
they do not want Corn Poop Biden on stage with Trump. they want him in his basement.
in short, this author is convinced there is something "evil" lurking in Trump's tax returns that the IRS hasn't found yet .. in 50 years of Trump's filings. just another baseless claim "IT HAD TO BE RUSSIA" bullshit.
"Only if leading into the debate, American voters have a clear picture of Trump’s tax returns alongside Biden’s, and only if, coming out of the debate, they have a clear picture of who was telling the truth and who was not, will they be able to make a fair judgment between the two candidates.
That kind of debate and only that kind of debate would be worthy of voters’ consideration and Biden’s participation.
Otherwise, Joe, stay in your basement."
yep. stay in your rabbit hole Joey. even Chungster knows you'll flub up the debates so bad the election will be over right there.
but Trump ain't gonna let you avoid debating even with this scamdemic
- Unique_Carpenter
- 07-08-2020, 09:54 PM
The DNC is afraid if they let the Zombiden loose, there will be more Dimzombies.
- winn dixie
- 07-08-2020, 10:03 PM
Dims shouldnt even want bitten to speak let alone debate Trump!
Even odummer knew this.
Even odummer knew this.
- dilbert firestorm
- 07-08-2020, 10:12 PM
Biden's debate conditions
1. release tax returns to the public
2. fact checkers at the debate.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
1. release tax returns to the public
2. fact checkers at the debate.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
- Munchmasterman
- 07-08-2020, 10:15 PM
Fear is right.
trump is afraid of the truth.
He'll tell lie after lie. Like he has done his whole life.
He wants Biden to spend all his time correcting trump's lies.
After all this time, you people still don't understand why trump's tax returns need to be disclosed.
Other than the fact he promised to release them.
Every court so far has said turn them over.
Supreme Court ruling on Trump’s tax returns, financial records to come Thursday
The Supreme Court will announce Thursday whether congressional committees and a New York prosecutor are entitled to see President Trump’s personal financial records, after the president has waged an intense legal battle to keep the material secret.
The court said Wednesday that opinions in all remaining cases would be issued Thursday. The court in May held teleconferenced hearings — with the world listening in — on three cases with potential landmark constitutional consequences.
All concern Trump’s long-running legal fight to shield years of income tax returns from public view and keep his private financial records from the hands of Democratic-led House committees and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr.
Supreme Court debate over Trump’s tax returns, business records points to a mixed outcome
The court’s decisions will carry major implications for the limits of presidential power and accountability, and could affect the fall election.
Two of the cases, Trump v. Mazars and Trump v. Deutsche Bank, concern the attempts of three House committees to bypass the president to obtain his financial records from his longtime accounting firm and financial institutions. The committees say they are needed to check the president’s financial disclosures and inform whether conflict-of-interest laws are tough enough.
In Trump v. Vance, the president is attempting to stop subpoenas from a grand jury Vance is supervising. He is looking into whether corporate records were altered in violation of state laws to cover up hush-money payments. He, too, is seeking the information from a third-party.
The cases are similar in that they are seeking much the same information. Included are Trump’s tax returns, which every president since Jimmy Carter has made public but Trump has steadfastly guarded.
But they also seek much more. The congressional committees “demand information about seven business entities, as well as the personal accounts of President Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump,” said the brief filed by the president’s private lawyers, Jay Sekulow and William S. Consovoy.
The congressional subpoenas followed testimony from Trump’s former fixer, attorney Michael Cohen, who told lawmakers that Trump had exaggerated his wealth to seek loans. Two committees subpoenaed Capital One and Deutsche Bank as part of their investigation into Russian money laundering and potential foreign influence involving Trump.
Federal judges in New York and Washington, D.C. — at the district court and appeals court levels — moved swiftly by court standards and repeatedly ruled against Trump and to uphold Congress’s broad investigative powers.
In Washington, a divided panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in October rejected Trump’s assertion that Congress’s subpoena was an unconstitutional attempt to harass the president that lacked a “legitimate legislative purpose.”
The appeals court upheld a ruling from U.S. District Court Judge Amit P. Mehta, who wrote, “It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct — past or present — even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry.
A panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit in New York substantially agreed in saying Vance’s subpoena was valid.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...0fb_story.html
trump is afraid of the truth.
He'll tell lie after lie. Like he has done his whole life.
He wants Biden to spend all his time correcting trump's lies.
After all this time, you people still don't understand why trump's tax returns need to be disclosed.
Other than the fact he promised to release them.
Every court so far has said turn them over.
Supreme Court ruling on Trump’s tax returns, financial records to come Thursday
The Supreme Court will announce Thursday whether congressional committees and a New York prosecutor are entitled to see President Trump’s personal financial records, after the president has waged an intense legal battle to keep the material secret.
The court said Wednesday that opinions in all remaining cases would be issued Thursday. The court in May held teleconferenced hearings — with the world listening in — on three cases with potential landmark constitutional consequences.
All concern Trump’s long-running legal fight to shield years of income tax returns from public view and keep his private financial records from the hands of Democratic-led House committees and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr.
Supreme Court debate over Trump’s tax returns, business records points to a mixed outcome
The court’s decisions will carry major implications for the limits of presidential power and accountability, and could affect the fall election.
Two of the cases, Trump v. Mazars and Trump v. Deutsche Bank, concern the attempts of three House committees to bypass the president to obtain his financial records from his longtime accounting firm and financial institutions. The committees say they are needed to check the president’s financial disclosures and inform whether conflict-of-interest laws are tough enough.
In Trump v. Vance, the president is attempting to stop subpoenas from a grand jury Vance is supervising. He is looking into whether corporate records were altered in violation of state laws to cover up hush-money payments. He, too, is seeking the information from a third-party.
The cases are similar in that they are seeking much the same information. Included are Trump’s tax returns, which every president since Jimmy Carter has made public but Trump has steadfastly guarded.
But they also seek much more. The congressional committees “demand information about seven business entities, as well as the personal accounts of President Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump,” said the brief filed by the president’s private lawyers, Jay Sekulow and William S. Consovoy.
The congressional subpoenas followed testimony from Trump’s former fixer, attorney Michael Cohen, who told lawmakers that Trump had exaggerated his wealth to seek loans. Two committees subpoenaed Capital One and Deutsche Bank as part of their investigation into Russian money laundering and potential foreign influence involving Trump.
Federal judges in New York and Washington, D.C. — at the district court and appeals court levels — moved swiftly by court standards and repeatedly ruled against Trump and to uphold Congress’s broad investigative powers.
In Washington, a divided panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in October rejected Trump’s assertion that Congress’s subpoena was an unconstitutional attempt to harass the president that lacked a “legitimate legislative purpose.”
The appeals court upheld a ruling from U.S. District Court Judge Amit P. Mehta, who wrote, “It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct — past or present — even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry.
A panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit in New York substantially agreed in saying Vance’s subpoena was valid.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...0fb_story.html
- winn dixie
- 07-08-2020, 10:35 PM
Fear is right.This regurgitation is all the dims can focus on?
trump is afraid of the truth.
He'll tell lie after lie. Like he has done his whole life.
He wants Biden to spend all his time correcting trump's lies.
After all this time, you people still don't understand why trump's tax returns need to be disclosed.
Other than the fact he promised to release them.
Every court so far has said turn them over.
Supreme Court ruling on Trump’s tax returns, financial records to come Thursday
The Supreme Court will announce Thursday whether congressional committees and a New York prosecutor are entitled to see President Trump’s personal financial records, after the president has waged an intense legal battle to keep the material secret.
The court said Wednesday that opinions in all remaining cases would be issued Thursday. The court in May held teleconferenced hearings — with the world listening in — on three cases with potential landmark constitutional consequences.
All concern Trump’s long-running legal fight to shield years of income tax returns from public view and keep his private financial records from the hands of Democratic-led House committees and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr.
Supreme Court debate over Trump’s tax returns, business records points to a mixed outcome
The court’s decisions will carry major implications for the limits of presidential power and accountability, and could affect the fall election.
Two of the cases, Trump v. Mazars and Trump v. Deutsche Bank, concern the attempts of three House committees to bypass the president to obtain his financial records from his longtime accounting firm and financial institutions. The committees say they are needed to check the president’s financial disclosures and inform whether conflict-of-interest laws are tough enough.
In Trump v. Vance, the president is attempting to stop subpoenas from a grand jury Vance is supervising. He is looking into whether corporate records were altered in violation of state laws to cover up hush-money payments. He, too, is seeking the information from a third-party.
The cases are similar in that they are seeking much the same information. Included are Trump’s tax returns, which every president since Jimmy Carter has made public but Trump has steadfastly guarded.
But they also seek much more. The congressional committees “demand information about seven business entities, as well as the personal accounts of President Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump,” said the brief filed by the president’s private lawyers, Jay Sekulow and William S. Consovoy.
The congressional subpoenas followed testimony from Trump’s former fixer, attorney Michael Cohen, who told lawmakers that Trump had exaggerated his wealth to seek loans. Two committees subpoenaed Capital One and Deutsche Bank as part of their investigation into Russian money laundering and potential foreign influence involving Trump.
Federal judges in New York and Washington, D.C. — at the district court and appeals court levels — moved swiftly by court standards and repeatedly ruled against Trump and to uphold Congress’s broad investigative powers.
In Washington, a divided panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in October rejected Trump’s assertion that Congress’s subpoena was an unconstitutional attempt to harass the president that lacked a “legitimate legislative purpose.”
The appeals court upheld a ruling from U.S. District Court Judge Amit P. Mehta, who wrote, “It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct — past or present — even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry.
A panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit in New York substantially agreed in saying Vance’s subpoena was valid.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...0fb_story.html
Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
Mean while Trump is busy doing a heck of a job as prez. All the while bitten and son are holed up keeping quiet and getting their stories straight.
- Levianon17
- 07-08-2020, 11:01 PM
- yitzchak
- 07-09-2020, 01:33 AM
- Munchmasterman
- 07-09-2020, 01:49 AM
Why would anyone debate the lyingliar when he has no personal honor to tell the truth?
60% of the people will understand why Biden won't give a trump lie-fest any credibility.
Biden has a very good lead. trump needs the debate. Since he is slurring his speech these days, I think he won't go with a fact-checker and will try to flip the script.
There's no reason to let trump turn this into one of his rallies to spread his lies.
You post a link and you don't read the article.
From your link.
First, Biden should declare that he will take part in a debate only if Trump releases his tax returns for 2016 through 2018. Biden has already done so, and they are on his website.
And second, Biden should insist that a real-time fact-checking team approved by both candidates be hired by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — and that 10 minutes before the scheduled conclusion of the debate this team report on any misleading statements, phony numbers or outright lies either candidate had uttered. That way no one in that massive television audience can go away easily misled.
Debates always have ground rules. Why can’t telling the truth and equal transparency on taxes be conditions for this one?
Yes, the fact that we have to make truth-telling an explicit condition is an incredibly sad statement about our time; normally such things are unspoken and understood. But if the past teaches us anything, Trump might very well lie and mislead for the entire debate, forcing Biden to have to spend a majority of his time correcting Trump before making his own points.
Every court that has reviewed the cases has said hand the returns over.
You not agreeing or understanding means nothing.
You left some important stuff out as usual.
I worry about Joe Biden debating Donald Trump. He should do it only under two conditions. Otherwise, he’s giving Trump unfair advantages.
First, Biden should declare that he will take part in a debate only if Trump releases his tax returns for 2016 through 2018. Biden has already done so, and they are on his website. Trump must, too. No more gifting Trump something he can attack while hiding his own questionable finances.And second, Biden should insist that a real-time fact-checking team approved by both candidates be hired by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — and that 10 minutes before the scheduled conclusion of the debate this team report on any misleading statements, phony numbers or outright lies either candidate had uttered. That way no one in that massive television audience can go away easily misled.
Debates always have ground rules. Why can’t telling the truth and equal transparency on taxes be conditions for this one?
es, the fact that we have to make truth-telling an explicit condition is an incredibly sad statement about our time; normally such things are unspoken and understood. But if the past teaches us anything, Trump might very well lie and mislead for the entire debate, forcing Biden to have to spend a majority of his time correcting Trump before making his own points.
That is not a good way for Biden to reintroduce himself to the American people. And, let’s not kid ourselves, these debates will be his reintroduction to most Americans, who have neither seen nor heard from him for months if not years.
Because of Covid-19, Biden has been sticking close to home, wearing a mask and social distancing. And with the coronavirus now spreading further, and Biden being a responsible individual and role model, it’s likely that he won’t be able to engage with any large groups of voters before Election Day. Therefore, the three scheduled televised debates, which will garner huge audiences, will carry more weight for him than ever.
He should not go into such a high-stakes moment ceding any advantages to Trump. Trump is badly trailing in the polls, and he needs these debates much more than Biden does to win over undecided voters. So Biden needs to make Trump pay for them in the currency of transparency and fact-checking — universal principles that will level the playing field for him and illuminate and enrich the debates for all citizens.
Of course, Trump will stomp and protest and say, “No way.” Fine. Let Trump cancel. Let Trump look American voters in the eye and say: “There will be no debate, because I should be able to continue hiding my tax returns from you all, even though I promised that I wouldn’t and even though Biden has shown you his. And there will be no debate, because I should be able to make any statement I want without any independent fact-checking.”If Trump says that, Biden can retort: “Well, that’s not a debate then, that’s a circus. If that’s what you want, why don’t we just arm wrestle or flip a coin to see who wins?”
I get why Republican senators and Fox News don’t press Trump on his taxes or call out his lies. They’re afraid of him and his base and unconcerned about the truth. But why should Biden, or the rest of us, play along?
After all, these issues around taxes and truth are more vital than ever for voters to make an informed choice.
Trump, you will recall, never sold his Trump Organization holdings or put them into a blind trust — as past presidents did with their investments — to avoid any conflicts of interest. Rather, his assets are in a revocable trust, whose trustees are his eldest son, Donald Jr., and Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer. Which is a joke.
Trump promised during the last campaign to release his tax returns after an I.R.S. “audit” was finished. Which turned out to have been another joke.
Once elected, Trump claimed that the American people were not interested in seeing his tax returns. Actually, we are now more interested than ever — and not just because it’s utterly unfair that Biden go into the debate with all his income exposed (he and his wife, Jill, earned more than $15 million in the two years after they left the Obama administration, largely from speaking engagements and books) while Trump doesn’t have to do the same.
There must be something in those tax returns that Trump really does not want the American public to see. It may be just silly — that he’s actually not all that rich. It may have to do with the fact that foreign delegations and domestic lobbyists, who want to curry favor with him, stay in his hotel in Washington or use it for corporate entertaining.
That’s why it’s so important to insist that the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates hire independent fact-checkers who, after the two candidates give their closing arguments — but before the debate goes off the air — would present a rundown of any statements that were false or only partly true.
Or, more ominously, it may be related to Trump’s incomprehensible willingness to give Russian President Vladimir Putin the benefit of every doubt for the last three-plus years. Virtually every time there has been a major public dispute between Putin and U.S. intelligence agencies alleging Russian misdeeds — including, of late, that the Kremlin offered bounties for the killing of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan — Trump has sided with Putin.
The notion that Putin may have leverage over him is not crazy, given little previous hints by his sons.
As Michael Hirsh recalled in a 2018 article in Foreign Policy about how Russian money helped to save the Trump empire from bankruptcy: “In September 2008, at the ‘Bridging U.S. and Emerging Markets Real Estate’ conference in New York, the president’s eldest son, Donald Jr., said: ‘In terms of high-end product influx into the United States, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.’”
The American people need to know if Trump is in debt in any way to Russian banks and financiers who might be close to Putin. Because if Trump is re-elected, and unconstrained from needing to run again, he will most likely act even more slavishly toward Putin, and that is a national security threat.
At the same time, debating Trump is unlike debating any other human being. Trump literally lies as he breathes, and because he has absolutely no shame, there are no guardrails. According to the Fact Checker team at The Washington Post, between Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, 2017, and May 29, 2020, he made 19,127 false or misleading claims.
Biden has been dogged by bone-headed issues of plagiarism in his career, but nothing compared to Trump’s daily fire hose of dishonesty, which has no rival in U.S. presidential history. That’s why it’s so important to insist that the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates hire independent fact-checkers who, after the two candidates give their closing arguments — but before the debate goes off the air — would present a rundown of any statements that were false or only partly true.
Only if leading into the debate, American voters have a clear picture of Trump’s tax returns alongside Biden’s, and only if, coming out of the debate, they have a clear picture of who was telling the truth and who was not, will they be able to make a fair judgment between the two candidates.
That kind of debate and only that kind of debate would be worthy of voters’ consideration and Biden’s participation.
Otherwise, Joe, stay in your basement.
Bottom line? If trump isn't allowed to lie, he can't win.
Not only is a fact-checker needed to keep the liar-in-chief honest but supporters of trump are afraid to have a fact-checker on hand.
Why does Russia keep popping up? Because trump is Putin's bitch.
trumpys think our enemy of 75 years are just innocent bystanders.Our douche-bag brigade doesn't blame Russia for invading Ukraine, they blame Obama for not starting World War III to stop them
trump isn't smart enough to win a debate. He didn't know "London" was a nuclear power and asked if Finnland was part of Russia.
60% of the people will understand why Biden won't give a trump lie-fest any credibility.
Biden has a very good lead. trump needs the debate. Since he is slurring his speech these days, I think he won't go with a fact-checker and will try to flip the script.
There's no reason to let trump turn this into one of his rallies to spread his lies.
You post a link and you don't read the article.
From your link.
First, Biden should declare that he will take part in a debate only if Trump releases his tax returns for 2016 through 2018. Biden has already done so, and they are on his website.
And second, Biden should insist that a real-time fact-checking team approved by both candidates be hired by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — and that 10 minutes before the scheduled conclusion of the debate this team report on any misleading statements, phony numbers or outright lies either candidate had uttered. That way no one in that massive television audience can go away easily misled.
Debates always have ground rules. Why can’t telling the truth and equal transparency on taxes be conditions for this one?
Yes, the fact that we have to make truth-telling an explicit condition is an incredibly sad statement about our time; normally such things are unspoken and understood. But if the past teaches us anything, Trump might very well lie and mislead for the entire debate, forcing Biden to have to spend a majority of his time correcting Trump before making his own points.
No shit!!!!Why are you and yours scared shitless about a fact-checker and trump's returns being seen?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/o...ebate.amp.html
Friedman actually thinks Biden can dictate the rules. Maybe Trump should ask for the Biden families financials. His brothers and Hunter!!!
Excuse me, stupid one.
trump doesn't have to ask for them. They (per your link) are already available for viewing.
BAHAHAHAHA Originally Posted by bambino
Every court that has reviewed the cases has said hand the returns over.
You not agreeing or understanding means nothing.
You left some important stuff out as usual.
I worry about Joe Biden debating Donald Trump. He should do it only under two conditions. Otherwise, he’s giving Trump unfair advantages.
First, Biden should declare that he will take part in a debate only if Trump releases his tax returns for 2016 through 2018. Biden has already done so, and they are on his website. Trump must, too. No more gifting Trump something he can attack while hiding his own questionable finances.And second, Biden should insist that a real-time fact-checking team approved by both candidates be hired by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — and that 10 minutes before the scheduled conclusion of the debate this team report on any misleading statements, phony numbers or outright lies either candidate had uttered. That way no one in that massive television audience can go away easily misled.
Debates always have ground rules. Why can’t telling the truth and equal transparency on taxes be conditions for this one?
es, the fact that we have to make truth-telling an explicit condition is an incredibly sad statement about our time; normally such things are unspoken and understood. But if the past teaches us anything, Trump might very well lie and mislead for the entire debate, forcing Biden to have to spend a majority of his time correcting Trump before making his own points.
That is not a good way for Biden to reintroduce himself to the American people. And, let’s not kid ourselves, these debates will be his reintroduction to most Americans, who have neither seen nor heard from him for months if not years.
Because of Covid-19, Biden has been sticking close to home, wearing a mask and social distancing. And with the coronavirus now spreading further, and Biden being a responsible individual and role model, it’s likely that he won’t be able to engage with any large groups of voters before Election Day. Therefore, the three scheduled televised debates, which will garner huge audiences, will carry more weight for him than ever.
He should not go into such a high-stakes moment ceding any advantages to Trump. Trump is badly trailing in the polls, and he needs these debates much more than Biden does to win over undecided voters. So Biden needs to make Trump pay for them in the currency of transparency and fact-checking — universal principles that will level the playing field for him and illuminate and enrich the debates for all citizens.
Of course, Trump will stomp and protest and say, “No way.” Fine. Let Trump cancel. Let Trump look American voters in the eye and say: “There will be no debate, because I should be able to continue hiding my tax returns from you all, even though I promised that I wouldn’t and even though Biden has shown you his. And there will be no debate, because I should be able to make any statement I want without any independent fact-checking.”If Trump says that, Biden can retort: “Well, that’s not a debate then, that’s a circus. If that’s what you want, why don’t we just arm wrestle or flip a coin to see who wins?”
I get why Republican senators and Fox News don’t press Trump on his taxes or call out his lies. They’re afraid of him and his base and unconcerned about the truth. But why should Biden, or the rest of us, play along?
After all, these issues around taxes and truth are more vital than ever for voters to make an informed choice.
Trump, you will recall, never sold his Trump Organization holdings or put them into a blind trust — as past presidents did with their investments — to avoid any conflicts of interest. Rather, his assets are in a revocable trust, whose trustees are his eldest son, Donald Jr., and Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer. Which is a joke.
Trump promised during the last campaign to release his tax returns after an I.R.S. “audit” was finished. Which turned out to have been another joke.
Once elected, Trump claimed that the American people were not interested in seeing his tax returns. Actually, we are now more interested than ever — and not just because it’s utterly unfair that Biden go into the debate with all his income exposed (he and his wife, Jill, earned more than $15 million in the two years after they left the Obama administration, largely from speaking engagements and books) while Trump doesn’t have to do the same.
There must be something in those tax returns that Trump really does not want the American public to see. It may be just silly — that he’s actually not all that rich. It may have to do with the fact that foreign delegations and domestic lobbyists, who want to curry favor with him, stay in his hotel in Washington or use it for corporate entertaining.
That’s why it’s so important to insist that the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates hire independent fact-checkers who, after the two candidates give their closing arguments — but before the debate goes off the air — would present a rundown of any statements that were false or only partly true.
Or, more ominously, it may be related to Trump’s incomprehensible willingness to give Russian President Vladimir Putin the benefit of every doubt for the last three-plus years. Virtually every time there has been a major public dispute between Putin and U.S. intelligence agencies alleging Russian misdeeds — including, of late, that the Kremlin offered bounties for the killing of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan — Trump has sided with Putin.
The notion that Putin may have leverage over him is not crazy, given little previous hints by his sons.
As Michael Hirsh recalled in a 2018 article in Foreign Policy about how Russian money helped to save the Trump empire from bankruptcy: “In September 2008, at the ‘Bridging U.S. and Emerging Markets Real Estate’ conference in New York, the president’s eldest son, Donald Jr., said: ‘In terms of high-end product influx into the United States, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.’”
The American people need to know if Trump is in debt in any way to Russian banks and financiers who might be close to Putin. Because if Trump is re-elected, and unconstrained from needing to run again, he will most likely act even more slavishly toward Putin, and that is a national security threat.
At the same time, debating Trump is unlike debating any other human being. Trump literally lies as he breathes, and because he has absolutely no shame, there are no guardrails. According to the Fact Checker team at The Washington Post, between Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, 2017, and May 29, 2020, he made 19,127 false or misleading claims.
Biden has been dogged by bone-headed issues of plagiarism in his career, but nothing compared to Trump’s daily fire hose of dishonesty, which has no rival in U.S. presidential history. That’s why it’s so important to insist that the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates hire independent fact-checkers who, after the two candidates give their closing arguments — but before the debate goes off the air — would present a rundown of any statements that were false or only partly true.
Only if leading into the debate, American voters have a clear picture of Trump’s tax returns alongside Biden’s, and only if, coming out of the debate, they have a clear picture of who was telling the truth and who was not, will they be able to make a fair judgment between the two candidates.
That kind of debate and only that kind of debate would be worthy of voters’ consideration and Biden’s participation.
Otherwise, Joe, stay in your basement.
Bottom line? If trump isn't allowed to lie, he can't win.
Not only is a fact-checker needed to keep the liar-in-chief honest but supporters of trump are afraid to have a fact-checker on hand.
Why does Russia keep popping up? Because trump is Putin's bitch.
trumpys think our enemy of 75 years are just innocent bystanders.Our douche-bag brigade doesn't blame Russia for invading Ukraine, they blame Obama for not starting World War III to stop them
trump isn't smart enough to win a debate. He didn't know "London" was a nuclear power and asked if Finnland was part of Russia.
that screed boiled down to one thing
FEAR
they do not want Corn Poop Biden on stage with Trump. they want him in his basement.
in short, this author is convinced there is something "evil" lurking in Trump's tax returns that the IRS hasn't found yet .. in 50 years of Trump's filings. just another baseless claim "IT HAD TO BE RUSSIA" bullshit.
"Only if leading into the debate, American voters have a clear picture of Trump’s tax returns alongside Biden’s, and only if, coming out of the debate, they have a clear picture of who was telling the truth and who was not, will they be able to make a fair judgment between the two candidates.
That kind of debate and only that kind of debate would be worthy of voters’ consideration and Biden’s participation.
Otherwise, Joe, stay in your basement."
yep. stay in your rabbit hole Joey. even Chungster knows you'll flub up the debates so bad the election will be over right there.
but Trump ain't gonna let you avoid debating even with this scamdemic Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
- Munchmasterman
- 07-09-2020, 02:15 AM
A heck of a job? He is a worthless piece of shit.
All the dims can focus on? Not the most stupid statement on here but it shows your lack of knowledge about important legal decisions.
Joe and his son aren't spreading the virus like trump and his 6200 maskless and packed together douche-bags.
Everybody knows trump just makes shit up as he goes along.
I have to know. What possible indication of job performance indicates trump is "doing a heck of a job" He has no approvals over 50%.
50% is an average job at best.
He is by far the laziest president ever.
All the dims can focus on? Not the most stupid statement on here but it shows your lack of knowledge about important legal decisions.
Joe and his son aren't spreading the virus like trump and his 6200 maskless and packed together douche-bags.
Everybody knows trump just makes shit up as he goes along.
I have to know. What possible indication of job performance indicates trump is "doing a heck of a job" He has no approvals over 50%.
50% is an average job at best.
He is by far the laziest president ever.
This regurgitation is all the dims can focus on?
Mean while Trump is busy doing a heck of a job as prez. All the while bitten and son are holed up keeping quiet and getting their stories straight.
- LexusLover
- 07-09-2020, 02:49 AM
[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"]He is a worthless piece of shit. Originally Posted by MunchmastermanIf you are referencing Mr. Trump, he has more money than you, and he also has a hotter wife than you do.
Jealousy is not a good mental condition. Next thing you'll do is start trying to tear down some more of those scary statues. Just relax. Go ahead and vote for Bitten. He's earned your vote. It's only 4 more years.
- the_real_Barleycorn
- 07-09-2020, 03:20 AM
And yet Obama (of the Obama/Biden comedy team) said he would meet with and talk to any terrorist or dictator without preconditions.
- Munchmasterman
- 07-09-2020, 03:33 AM
So you're down to worshipping a guy who got his money from his daddy and his wife because of his money.
Just one more subject you don't know shit about.
I've posted many times why I consider trump, you, and others like you to be detrimental to the United States.
You of course come up with a reason from your own personal experience. There are at least 5 times the population of Austin, in Houston alone, that have more money than you. Eat your heart out. Maybe you'll get a better looking husband next time around.
And as much as trump has, he lies about having more than he does.
trump was jealous about epstien getting more chicks than him.
I see there is one thing we agree on. I never saw trump as anything other than a "Mr." at best.
But then that was just another mistake on your part. You wear your insecurity and ignorance, both, as badges of "honor".
Now fuck off.
Just one more subject you don't know shit about.
I've posted many times why I consider trump, you, and others like you to be detrimental to the United States.
You of course come up with a reason from your own personal experience. There are at least 5 times the population of Austin, in Houston alone, that have more money than you. Eat your heart out. Maybe you'll get a better looking husband next time around.
And as much as trump has, he lies about having more than he does.
trump was jealous about epstien getting more chicks than him.
I see there is one thing we agree on. I never saw trump as anything other than a "Mr." at best.
But then that was just another mistake on your part. You wear your insecurity and ignorance, both, as badges of "honor".
Now fuck off.
If you are referencing Mr. Trump, he has more money than you, and he also has a hotter wife than you do.
Jealousy is not a good mental condition. Next thing you'll do is start trying to tear down some more of those scary statues. Just relax. Go ahead and vote for Bitten. He's earned your vote. Originally Posted by LexusLover
- Munchmasterman
- 07-09-2020, 03:41 AM
More barley-boy-bullshit.
I don't give a shit what you think links your bullshit to this thread.
And even if you had a link, which you don't, it wouldn't directly apply to this.
Come on. Prove me wrong.
I don't give a shit what you think links your bullshit to this thread.
And even if you had a link, which you don't, it wouldn't directly apply to this.
Come on. Prove me wrong.
And yet Obama (of the Obama/Biden comedy team) said he would meet with and talk to any terrorist or dictator without preconditions. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn