Coronavirus may have infected 10 times more Americans than reported, CDC says

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WASHINGTON, June 25 (Reuters) - Government experts believe more than 20 million Americans could have contracted the coronavirus, 10 times more than official counts, indicating many people without symptoms have or have had the disease, senior administration officials said.



The estimate, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is based on serology testing used to determine the presence of antibodies that show whether an individual has had the disease, the officials said.

The officials, speaking to a small group of reporters on Wednesday night, said the estimate was based on the number of known cases, between 2.3 million and 2.4 million, multiplied by the average rate of antibodies seen from the serology tests, about an average of 10 to 1.
"If you multiply the cases by that ratio, that's where you get that 20 million figure," said one official.
If true, the estimate would suggest the percentage of U.S. deaths from the disease is lower than thought. More than 120,000 Americans have died from the disease since the pandemic erupted earlier this year.
The estimate comes as government officials note that many new cases are showing up in young people who do not exhibit symptoms and may not know they have it.
Officials said young people with no symptoms, but who are in regular contact with vulnerable populations, should proactively get tested to make sure they do not spread it.
"We have heard from Florida and Texas that roughly half of the new cases that are reporting are people under the age of 35, and many of them are asymptomatic," one official said.
The CDC has sent 40 response teams to help deal with the outbreaks, they said.
More than 36,000 new cases of COVID-19 were recorded nationwide on Wednesday, just shy of the record 36,426 on April 24, concentrated on states that were spared the brunt of the initial outbreak or moved early to lift restrictions aimed at curbing the virus' spread.




After the Imperial college ferguson model of millions of deaths in the US - it is apparent the Wuhan virus is a severe Influenza A behavior model.

Ioanniddis may have even overestimated the real case mortality rate Which will be very low in reality - the infected asymptomatic group is larger than expected.

And the controlling DemLib governors are squirming about the controlling edicts they enjoyed imposing so much - and which were in reality needless damage to the economy.

Throw out the restriction orders, shelter and proect the at risk and those who are fearfull.

Let people live their lives and grow the economy - LibDems!!!


But No - the longer the Libdems can keep America in shutdown - the worse the economy gets - the better for Biden's chances - they figure.

Not to mention - If he wins and heads the DOJ - the impeachments and criminal investigations of every single Trump administration person will be epic retaliation.

nadler can hardly wait - he is already thinking about impeaching AG Barr
nadler is a malicious gome, and his Dem buddy Schiff is truly one of the world's greatest Liars and scam artists.

120,000/2,400,000/10 = 0.005

0.5% case fatality rate so far, by those estimates.

Plus, 1/3 or so of those were in New York were they had trouble treating the overload of cases.

Plus, the first year of a new virus will always be the worst as the medical system learns how to treat it - which we are doing now and saving many patients.

Plus, viruses classically mutate down to less lethal versions because the less lethal viruses can spread from hosts that live and not the hosts that die.

120,000/2,400,000/10 = 0.005

0.5% case fatality rate so far, by those estimates.

Plus, 1/3 or so of those were in New York were they had trouble treating the overload of cases.

Plus, the first year of a new virus will always be the worst as the medical system learns how to treat it - which we are doing now and saving many patients.

Plus, viruses classically mutate down to less lethal versions because the less lethal viruses can spread from hosts that live and not the hosts that die. Originally Posted by friendly fred

Minus, if not a single additional person becomes infected with Covid-19 after today, the total number of deaths will be greater than 120,000, as some people who currently have the disease die in the future.

Minus, it's possible immunity to the Covid-19 virus will not last long, so that people may be infected more than once, like with the common cold.

If you use the 0.5% and assume that 70% of the population will be infected before herd immunity is achieved, then

.005 x 0.7 x 328 million Americans = 1.15 million deaths in the U.S.A.

I believe this number is close to a worst case scenario, and would stick by my 260,000 death game estimate if we went back to April or whenever it was we did that. This is because I believe, hope and pray we'll have a safe, effective, widely distributed vaccine before we get to herd immunity through infections.

After the Imperial college ferguson model of millions of deaths in the US - it is apparent the Wuhan virus is a severe Influenza A behavior model.

Ioanniddis may have even overestimated the real case mortality rate Which will be very low in reality - the infected asymptomatic group is larger than expected. Originally Posted by oeb11

I don't see how the CDC statement would point to that, except that it's pretty unlikely millions, plural, will die in the USA. See Friendly Fred's calculation above -- the infection fatality rate looks to be much higher than Influenza A, and Ioannidis' best-guess estimates for infection fatality rate appear to be low. It's hard to say though, because Ioannidis has thrown out a large range of estimates.

120,000/2,400,000/10 = 0.005

0.5% case fatality rate so far, by those estimates.

Plus, 1/3 or so of those were in New York were they had trouble treating the overload of cases.

Plus, the first year of a new virus will always be the worst as the medical system learns how to treat it - which we are doing now and saving many patients.

Plus, viruses classically mutate down to less lethal versions because the less lethal viruses can spread from hosts that live and not the hosts that die. Originally Posted by friendly fred

you and i along with others in this forum have steadfastly declared a true death rate of LESS THAN 1 PERCENT this whole time.


WE WERE RIGHT


SCAMDEMIC

you and i along with others in this forum have steadfastly declared a true death rate of LESS THAN 1 PERCENT this whole time.


WE WERE RIGHT


SCAMDEMIC Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Actually we both threw out a rate of exactly 0.5% about a month ago, if memory serves me correctly.

Actually we both threw out a rate of exactly 0.5% about a month ago, if memory serves me correctly. Originally Posted by Tiny

then join the list of prophets my friend


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he was so far off he should change his name to fauci ..


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then join the list of prophets my friend


BAHHAAA


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he was so far off he should change his name to fauci ..


BAHHAAAHAAAAAAAA Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

That Zappa guy predicted a 6% mortality rate. Where did he go anyways.

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That Zappa guy predicted a 6% mortality rate. Where did he go anyways. Originally Posted by bambino

yeah something like that .. he also posted this gem ..

Fauci is not the leading authority Trump picked this guy to lead it because he is a yes man. The CDC said it was a threat in January but Trump ignored the CDC. Pandemics and epidemics are ran through the CDC. Trump even tried to cut their budget and shut down the pandemic office in the white house. The CDC and every other doctor warned Trump.

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/cdc...happened-next/ Originally Posted by FrankZappa

as usual he's only half right .. butt he doesn't know what part is wrong.



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Tiny: All good points but if treatments improve the death rate will go down farther.

Convalescent plasma alone is saving people so if you get COVID - 19 and live, donate your blood plasma!

120,000/2,400,000/10 = 0.005

0.5% case fatality rate so far, by those estimates.

Plus, 1/3 or so of those were in New York were they had trouble treating the overload of cases.

Plus, the first year of a new virus will always be the worst as the medical system learns how to treat it - which we are doing now and saving many patients.

Plus, viruses classically mutate down to less lethal versions because the less lethal viruses can spread from hosts that live and not the hosts that die. Originally Posted by friendly fred

FF - Your comment about the first year of a virus being the worst - is in many ways true.

Even more important than medical profession adapting - is the human immune system adapting to the virus - developing antibodies and resistance - and Darwinian selection of the human gene pool - those who die are removed and cannot further reproduce - those who adapt will further reproduce (in general).

The first line of defense against Wuhan virus is still the individual's immune system.

If this true it fake it not at all deadly it just a common cold. The number dead which is inflationed because most are people who would die any way. 1 in 10 vs 1 in 100

Well.. The problem with codswallop is it tastes like cod and is fishy AF. Bunch of pulled from your keester numbers. If you die and happen to test positive for COVID - then you died of COVD is pure bullshit. Being "infected" when you die is no different than saying you died because of the color of your eyes. Let's not forget that hospitals are incentivized to record COVID caused death, i.e. get paid more $$

Notwithstanding, the overall death rate from all causes is relatively flat this year. It would appear there was a large spike, but it is receded. Reality is that both COVID and influenza deaths are typically measured by pneumonia deaths. One could argue that less deaths from normal causes because of lock downs. This seems particularly true in <1 yr olds, who may be foregoing normal vaccinations. But it's only a theory so far. It is also true of school aged children not attending school, which is akin to a festering petri dish of germs. Ramifications of which are not known yet on how it may impact other herd immunity from common germs.

We already saw that "projection" models where utter codswallop and trying to jigger the numbers to make it sound like it's high are fear-porning. The news actually is; the vast majority of people do not even know they have it. Most that do have it - survive unscathed, with little more than rest and fluids. Only the high risk candidates are susceptible to death inducing complications - just like they would be from a litany of other influences, like influenza.

Why are Influenza deaths down this year? What are YoY pneumonia death rates etc.? The sad truth is that many people that that are alleged to have "died" of "COVID" were going to die without COVID. And wash your damned hands.

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Minus, it's possible immunity to the Covid-19 virus will not last long, so that people may be infected more than once, like with the common cold.

If you use the 0.5% and assume that 70% of the population will be infected before herd immunity is achieved, then

.005 x 0.7 x 328 million Americans = 1.15 million deaths in the U.S.A.

I believe this number is close to a worst case scenario, and would stick by my 260,000 death game estimate if we went back to April or whenever it was we did that. This is because I believe, hope and pray we'll have a safe, effective, widely distributed vaccine before we get to herd immunity through infections. Originally Posted by Tiny

Covid is like HIV, it lies dormant in the body for up to 10 years, and then suddenly, out of nowhere, it appears.

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