Why is this guy "unelectable"? It is insane.
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Actually if you examine history opposite is true. Our involvement has caused a lot more problems than solved. Read that book Blowback and watch the videos 'dying to win' on youtube. Originally Posted by bmrdriverStudy the origins of WWI, WWII and Korea. You'll discover the U.S. does not exist in a vacuum and pacifism doesn't work.
Why is this guy "unelectable"? It is insane.Good candidates routinely fail because MOST VOTERS ARE IDIOTS. I'm guessing your question is rhetorical.
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I don't think Libertarians are against all wars. I think we would have opposed Hitler. It's all these stupid mini-wars that are started to profit the defense machine we oppose. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy
Study the origins of WWI, WWII and Korea. You'll discover the U.S. does not exist in a vacuum and pacifism doesn't work. Originally Posted by I B HankeringHey there is a thought out there that we should not have entered any of those wars. and would be way better off had we not.
Hey there is a thought out there that we should not have entered any of those wars. and would be way better off had we not. Originally Posted by WTFLest you forget: U.S. entry into WWII was brought about by Japan's attack against the U.S. and Hitler declared war on the U.S. a few days later. U.S. entry into WWI was brought about not only by Germany's unrestrained use of U-Boats, but also by Germany's petitioning Mexico to start the U.S.along its southern boarder. Finally, North Korea attacked U.S. forces even as the U.S. was withdrawing forces from the region.
We have never tried true pacifism. In fact we are behind the scenes working one side or the other in all the places you have mentioned. Originally Posted by WTFWhat you claim to be "working one side or the other" is also known as "commercial trade". Please describe how the U.S. can shun the entanglements of world trade and continue to exist as an independent, modern state.
Lest you forget: U.S. entry into WWII was brought about by Japan's attack against the U.S. and Hitler declared war on the U.S. a few days later. U.S. entry into WWI was brought about not only by Germany's unrestrained use of U-Boats, but also by Germany's petitioning Mexico to start the U.S.along its southern boarder. Finally, North Korea attacked U.S. forces even as the U.S. was withdrawing forces from the region. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
And "commercial trade" benifits who the most? I would say oil companies at that time and poorer countries at present (while still benifiting the oil industry and our multinationals) . It has lowered the wages in this country while raising wages in poorer countries. There has been a huge shift in income disparity in this country, a long term horrific thing for a nation. It leads to exactly what we have now, Crony Capitalism.
What you claim to be "working one side or the other" is also known as "commercial trade". Please describe how the U.S. can shun the entanglements of world trade and continue to exist as an independent, modern state. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Lest you forget , Japan did not just attack us for no God Damn reason. If I hit you in the nose and you hit me back in the nuts, just who started what? War is a transfer of wealth from millions of taxpayers to a select few industries. That is a fact. We can argue all day if it is/was needed but it is hard to argue that our pacifism was a cause of any of these wars. If there are resources to be had, this country is not pacifist in going about getting them. I would hardly call the CIA a pacifist organisation.Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931; FDR was elected in 1932 and Churchill became Prime Minister in 1940. Yeah, those two conspired conspired to make Japan "look like" the aggressor.Originally Posted by WTF
And "commercial trade" benifits who the most? I would say oil companies at that time and poorer countries at present (while still benifiting the oil industry and our multinationals) . It has lowered the wages in this country while raising wages in poorer countries. There has been a huge shift in income disparity in this country, a long term horrific thing for a nation. It leads to exactly what we have now, Crony Capitalism.You didn't explain how the U.S. can shun the entanglements of world trade and continue to exist as an independent, modern state.
So while you may prefer a more limited peek at history, I like to pull back to a much more broader version. Originally Posted by WTF
that wasn't pacifism.. that was isolationism.
Which of the following would you not define as a mini-war? The Japanese invasion of Manchuria? The Japanese invasion of Indochina? What about when Italy invaded Ethiopia, Albania and Greece? But then there were the Nazis. Remember when Germany marched into Austria, the Sudentenland and the Saarland? Wasn’t the German invasion of Poland a “mini-war”? It didn’t last long, and surely the U.S. had no interests in Poland. When Germany invaded France, it was another short, “mini-war”. Wasn’t it a “mini-war” of sorts when Germany bombed England? What about the German invasion of the Soviet Union?
In each of the instances listed above, the official U.S. position was not to get involved in those “mini-wars” – and, in the long run, that pacifism didn’t work. Originally Posted by I B Hankering