Is the price of a session going up or the length of the session going down? Are the guys shooting themselves in the foot with 1/2 hour sessions?

Think about how Coke gets us to pay more.... They tried introducing the 8oz cans which are less expensive than 12 oz but not proportionately so..... So now they are taking us from 20oz bottles back down to 16oz bottles...... Remember the Pint Glass Bottles?.... EVERY size change reflects an increase in the content of the bottle with one exception.....

3 liter bottles are regularly on sale in grocery stores..... for around $159 and we see 2liter promotions for 99 cents....


I can remember not long ago when 1/2 hour rates were rare.

Sessions were an hour and IN hour increments.

I can nut in 30 minutes or less but have to really do 90 minutes or 2 hours at the least in order to thoroughly enjoy myself.

What can a guy get out of 30 minutes? What more do you feel $150 lighter after that quick session vs just jacking off and having the $150 left over?

I'm not sure that the average guy is considering when trying to drive a $250 to $300 girl into discounting their rates for 30 minutes......

Obviously he is not considering that the time to prepare in between "dates" is no different for the lady....

That the wear and tear on her body and emotions are no less just because the session is shorter.

Actually it probably increases over the course of a working day.

If a girls is going to be a true professional it's going to take 15 minutes to change sheets, towels and reset the workspace to remove all signs of the guy before. Shower and preparing herself another 20 minutes and lets allow her 5 to 10 minutes to simply decompress after 5 to 10 minutes of checking messages and returning the baby sitter or boyfriend's call..

So 45 minutes to an hour to prepare for a "date"

in a 8 hour she can probably squeeze 5 to 6 sessions in.

Let's assume a $160/$260 Provider...

That's $800 to $950 doing halfs

4 hour sessions in the same work day yield $1040, less time invested, less stress, less expense in materials to prepare with.

I really do not understand the guys that are surprised that the cost of a half hour is rising.

Go back to 1 hour sessions quit being a part of driving rates up!

I've always found it interesting that I can spend 90 minutes to 2 hours with a lady for less than what 2 guys spend to see her for 30 minutes each.

Ladies... Please feel free to correct my supposition in what it takes for you to prepare....

I agree! I have noticed over the last year way more 30 minute requests than before. My rates are already lower than some but I see why some ladies are raising rates.. bills and the cost of living are much higher now. I just renewed my lease I pay close to 800 for a small 1 bedroom apartment.. not including my other bills.

Some may hike the HHR rates just to discourage it. I think some also post high 1 hr rates for the same reason.

I am NOT a fan of half hour sessions for the following reasons :

- I used to offer them, when I was new to the provider scene + It was more work than it was worth + There were half hour clients that would not leave on time and pushed for MSOG during a HH date

- HH dates are indiscreet + draw the attention of nosy neighbors ( and LE and the landlord ) to your "revolving door" incall front door.

- I am already putting my health and safety at risk in this career path + Why should I double those risks, just to make a little extra cash with HH dates ?

HHell ; is not worth it.

I think Loxly nailed it. I agree with much of what Whispers said. Shocking, I know!!

I will add to what Kim mentioned. Call me old fashioned, but I want to get to know the person I am about to get intimate with. If I am going to be in this business, then I want to have fun, relax and enjoy myself with clients I actually click with. Longevity....the big picture, is what I look at now.
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I am a sexual slow poke. I just don't see how people can have any type of body/mind connection in a hh. Personally, I need that. If I were to do hh sessions, I would feel like a hole. That would not make me happy and I would burn out, so I do not do them, unless I have a hobby relationship established.

People hobby/provide a variety of reasons and ways. I don't think there is a wrong way. I just know myself and choose to do what makes sense to me.

I like half hours because I prefer BJ's to actual sex, I liken that to the time I put in on the SW scene. I also usually can't go more than once in an hour without Cialis, etc. Goodness, I miss the SW scene, anyway lol

It's nice to chit chat and what not, but I really don't need to know the person for a connection of any kind. If we had a real connection, we would be fucking for free ya know? The only connection I need is my dick getting hard for the session at hand. I am a people person in RW life (a lot of the reasons why marriage and other relationships failed), just don't care to do that in the hobby anymore. Lines can get blurred if not careful, etc.


sixx

Hence, one of the reasons I like to have drinks & dinner with you and not meet bcd! Or you me etc etc. Different strokes is what makes the hobby go around. We all need and want VERY different things.

If one is looking for a mini "let's pretend this is a sort of real relationship" then sure.

If one wants the experience and memory of being nutted by a beautiful young chica they likely couldn't nail in the RW then 1/2 hr does nicely.

Whispers you are right in that the quick self nut is just as effective in nutting as a 1/2 hr but it's also just as effective as an hour which saves even more money.

Like Six I'm good for a nut and I'm done. I'm not a lonely guy. I don't feel the need to pay for an unused half hour making polite small talk with someone using a fake name.

Whispers you are an exception to the rule. You're accustomed to banging young hot strippers at a better rate than most. You also are more involved in their personal lives and

hang with them so therefore you do form a relationship of sorts so I can see where you're coming from.

If I were in your shoes I'd agree but I wear a different size shoe. I've also never paid $160 for a half hour. I never negotiate. I simply don't call to begin with.

Title to address a similar post by Scarlett about Pops

Damn Whispers, you finally made a non-nauseating enough post that caught my attention enough to draw me away from Prince on the Arsenio Hall show. LOL (yeah, I’m a White boy digging on Prince) I just watch Arsenio to get attire hints. He is one well-dressed MF, second only to Deion.

I am and have always seemed to be in unique enough situations to get all the pussy a man could want for but still like to pay for it on occasion and when I do I’m somewhere in between the BFE and Sixx. I don’t really want to know jack about the ladies life, nor her about mine, just enough small talk to pass the mutual jitters. Then I just want to move into some hardcore sex. I’m not an easy pop so 1 is the most I ever expect from a paid for date so an hour usually does it for me. I tried a HH with a visiting Dallas lady awhile back and it was just uncomfortable. When conversing with the ladies I have always advised them not to stoop to HH Dates. But who am I to suggest such a thang…..

I agree as well... i never use to offer 30m sessions when i worked for an agency in another state. but i quickly noticed that here in Texas, most guys want an hour session. I make more off two 30m sessions than i do for one hour session... but i still would prefer one hour vs two 30. I like the time. I dont like feeling rushed. But again, i believe if i did not offer 30m sessions... buis would be slower than usual. So i do offer it. Have even thought about adding a 15m session. Due to the economy i understand that an hour may not be in every guys budget, but i also know there are guys out there who claim it is the economy... when in truth he is seeing a girl every day for a 30m session lol. So in truth thats just his preference. Which is 100% ok with me. Thats why i offer them

BUT i also have noticed that 80% of the hh guys end up going WAY over... where as the hour guys rarely do. I am not cold hearted and have a hard time saying "Hey babe your time was up 20mins ago" but i wish i could. I am sure that is another reason i prefer hours and recently raised my 30 and 45m rate. Due to guys booking 30 then staying 45 to 60 anyways without tip or compensation. And please note that i am not bitching, i appreciate ANY and ALL business. But i do believe there is a handful of guys who do take advantage of "sweet" girls who are not dominant enough to just jump up and say "Times up" lol.I too like the illusion of things. I like making a connection. not just hit it and go.

Personally, I prefer to set aside at least 2 hours per appt whether that appt is a simple BnG, a half hour or hour. So I see the same number of clients no matter how long of an appt is set.

I don't think I'd ever care to book 1/2 hr. It's not that I want 'to get to know each other", but I do enjoy foreplay, not "wham bam" kinda guy. I think it's worth the extra time/money to take our time.. Like going to Disneyland for a quick ride and right out the gate headed home. no thanks.. at least 60 min..

I don't remember the last time I booked a 1 hour appointment... it's a minimum of 90 minutes and usually 2 hours or more. (It's hard to fit the Boyfriend Experience into less time... )

If a lady is encouraging 30 minute sessions, that's a red flag for me. I'd think twice about booking with her for all the reasons previously cited: high volume, risk of inadequate preparation/cleanup, etc.

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I used to think I was more of an hour+ guy, but I have really gotten hooked on 30 minute sessions lately. I have about 15-20 minutes of gas in the tank and have MSOG'd just twice in the hobby (same lady), so I am really just paying for convo and cuddling and such when I go for a full hour. I really just want to see as many providers as possible right now and explore my likes and dislikes, so 30 minute sessions work great for me. And fwiw, I make absolutely sure not to overstay in a 30 minute session and would compensate a lady if I accidentally did. Even in a longer session, I would only go over if invited or if she clearly just wanted to chat for a bit.

I think Alden did a great job shedding light on what the biggest problem is... rude hobbyists who overstay, push boundaries, and make the hobby an unpleasant experience for providers. Unfortunately, the nice hobbyists end up paying for these guys.

There are alot of guys here that only have a hhr so lunch time is perfect. I dont believe anyone here is looking for a GF, they just want sexual intercourse. Of course this would focus more to the married or have a GF case. For me hhr is plenty of time for sex, unless your adding a massage then you tend to seek an hour.
As far as bills have gone up, they have gone up for everyone and you have what you can afford. Just my thoughts, like or dislike.