A question for providers regarding vouching and providing references.

For years it has been discussed with passion and veracity how important it is for you girls to screen.

I would like to hear to what detail you go in determining what you share and what you do to determine the legitimacy of the person asking you for the information when you provide it.

I would also like to hear how much you feel is needed vs how much is too much.


Let me be totally open about the reason for this question.

A San Antonio Provider has disclosed confidential information about clients in open forums more than a couple of times now in the last few months. She is said to keep very detailed records of her encounters with gentlemen and she refers to these notes in providing extremely detailed vouches to the ladies that request it.

In the midst of the controversy surrounding her indiscretions more than a couple of ladies sent their concerns along to me and one mentioned that she had requested a vouch from the lady and had done so by text from a number she had never used.

I decided to test the behind the scenes opinion that the provider in question was so desperate for attention and admiration that she ran her mouth to everyone... She was banned and cut off from many of her admirers so it seemed possible at the time.....

I text-ed her from a GV number and grabbed a name out of the air... offered up a little praise and support and then asked what she could share with me about BillyDoesMeGood..... (name made up for the story)...

Flood gates opened and information spewed forth...... I was rather shocked.. not just that it was so easy... but the amount of information that she provided.

Over the next few weeks..... I repeated the same resulting in my coming to know far too much about a few guys.....

Condemn me if you wish for posing as a Provider but absolutely nothing was done to verify I was who I said I was......

Try to look past what I did to get the information and consider the end result please .....

Guys jump through hoops in some cases to get screened and expect a level of privacy from the professional he entrusted that information to.....

It could just as easily been a spouse, a GF, a jealous provider, a cop, an investigative reporter or some college kid writing a paper.... It was simply too easy.... I did not set up an account, send any PMs or emails or websites or facebook pages to build the image..... I simply texted, made a few flattering remarks, a few supportive ones that let her believe I was on her side.... and the gates opened wide.....

Back to the questions....


I would like to hear to what detail you go in determining what you share and what you do to determine the legitimacy of the person asking you for the information when you provide it.

I would also like to hear how much you feel is needed vs how much is too much.

When I screen, I ask the reference if she saw and recalls the client, if she felt comfortable recommending him, and if she recalled anything notable that I should know. I provide the same information when asked. I will also answer any other questions that do not invade his privacy if asked...race, approx. age, excessively "endowed", etc.

His personal information remains just that - his.

I as well ask specific details about the guy......age range....body type...what he seemed to like and dislike.

Not to base me seeing him or not but just to know how to make his experience with me that much better.

I provide the same info for the ladies to the best of my abilities.

I really only want to know if the the provider has actually visited with the guy and if she feels he is safe to meet with. I don't want to know what all they did their session. As for basic client stats, I ask this information (age, height, weight) of the client up front on my booking form.

When providing a reference, I only give information that is required for safety or if the client had a really strange personality or were difficult to set up and appointment with. For example, "Yes, I met X a couple of times at my incall and he is a nice guy. I had no problems with him." OR "Yes, I met X, but he seemed a bit off and nervous at first, but I had no other problems with him, he paid the correct fee."

When accepting references from providers. I look to see if they are established, have been reviewed and generally a good reputation. I don't accept references from anyone who doesn't have a verifiable online presence or only post on BP/CL or whatever.

About 30% of providers don't respond to reference requests, or claim not to know the guy... Get on P411, Okay the guy and save us the hassle.

For years it has been discussed with passion and veracity how important it is for you girls to screen.

I would like to hear to what detail you go in determining what you share and what you do to determine the legitimacy of the person asking you for the information when you provide it.

I would also like to hear how much you feel is needed vs how much is too much.


Let me be totally open about the reason for this question.

A San Antonio Provider has disclosed confidential information about clients in open forums more than a couple of times now in the last few months. She is said to keep very detailed records of her encounters with gentlemen and she refers to these notes in providing extremely detailed vouches to the ladies that request it.

In the midst of the controversy surrounding her indiscretions more than a couple of ladies sent their concerns along to me and one mentioned that she had requested a vouch from the lady and had done so by text from a number she had never used.

I decided to test the behind the scenes opinion that the provider in question was so desperate for attention and admiration that she ran her mouth to everyone... She was banned and cut off from many of her admirers so it seemed possible at the time.....

I text-ed her from a GV number and grabbed a name out of the air... offered up a little praise and support and then asked what she could share with me about BillyDoesMeGood..... (name made up for the story)...

Flood gates opened and information spewed forth...... I was rather shocked.. not just that it was so easy... but the amount of information that she provided.

Over the next few weeks..... I repeated the same resulting in my coming to know far too much about a few guys.....

Condemn me if you wish for posing as a Provider but absolutely nothing was done to verify I was who I said I was......

Try to look past what I did to get the information and consider the end result please .....

Guys jump through hoops in some cases to get screened and expect a level of privacy from the professional he entrusted that information to.....

It could just as easily been a spouse, a GF, a jealous provider, a cop, an investigative reporter or some college kid writing a paper.... It was simply too easy.... I did not set up an account, send any PMs or emails or websites or facebook pages to build the image..... I simply texted, made a few flattering remarks, a few supportive ones that let her believe I was on her side.... and the gates opened wide.....

Back to the questions....


I would like to hear to what detail you go in determining what you share and what you do to determine the legitimacy of the person asking you for the information when you provide it.

I would also like to hear how much you feel is needed vs how much is too much. Originally Posted by Whispers

so, you contacted who and said what? via what avenue? Mostly, the women say this, "he's cool", "he's safe", he's good. and there's a lot of important information imparted in those terse statements. It means he didn't try and hurt me, it means he paid as was expected, it means noting went wrong, which is a huge deal...for us. And I resent any man who gets on this board and tries to undermine our ability to take care of ourselves.

What floodgates and from whom? I don't buy it.

I really only want to know if the the provider has actually visited with the guy and if she feels he is safe to meet with. I don't want to know what all they did their session. Originally Posted by SimplyGwen

That is what I have expected it to be over the years. I was rather surprised by what I found in one case

so, you contacted who and said what? via what avenue? God, whispers, I want to like you, but you're so damn stupid mostly. Middle school bullshit. Mostly, the women say this, "he's cool", "he's safe", he's good. and there's a lot of important information imparted in those terse statements. It means he didn't try and hurt me, it means he paid as was expected, it means noting went wrong, which is a huge deal...for us. And I resent any man who gets on this board and tries to undermine our ability to take care of ourselves.

What floodgates and from whom? I don't buy it. Originally Posted by chelseabean

I didn't post this trying to sell you anything..... the details are elsewhere if you like.... the purpose of this thread was to see how ladies interact with each other and what a normal vouch appears to be.....

in my honest opinion I am like simply gwen and I do the same if asked about any clients and can use me as reference for other providers to contact me and ask me how that certain client is

Yet another rendition of "Much Ado about Nothing;" not even remotely entertaining or thought-provoking.

There are times that I may just tell another provider that yes, I've seen the guy and there were no problems and he's legit. But I will also tell them if it's been a while. I normally get requests on here or email though, only a rarely in text.

And I resent any man who gets on this board and tries to undermine our ability to take care of ourselves. Originally Posted by chelseabean

Hmmmm

I don't believe in this case that anyone is undermining your ability to take care of yourself. A very important subject is being further discussed.

Are you doubting that a provider would give out so much detail in a vouch? I have been in P4P for over 21 years of my 38 years of living, nothing surprises me. I think its a great thing that issues like this are brought to light.

Some could turn your quote around and say, "I resent any woman who gets on this board and tries to undermine our ability to take care of ourselves."

Just saying.

sixx

Ladies,

Please be aware that you participate in this thread at your own risk.
The OP is well known for having absolutely ZERO regard for you or your business. Any information you reveal can and will be used against you.

Your screening methods are yours and yours alone. In place to keep you safe.

Before you post, just ask yourself... "Do I really want to be the next victim?"

This is troll's bait. Treat it as such.

All I ask for is:
Was he a gentleman?
Did a session occur with the provider I'm contacting?

All I offer is:
If he was a gentleman
If a session occurred and if scheduling was easy and hassle free.

Sometimes, I might offer information pertaining to what he likes that will make his session with the new girl more enjoyable, a first name, if he is older, younger, really hairy, really clean or dirty, really overweight, etc.

Never should a lady offer personal information, details of the session, or anything that could haunt him in real life.

I'm interested to know what lady feels that her excessive details are helpful to either clients or providers. Not that I need to know, I'd just be interested. Thanks for the intel, Whispers. The guys need to know how to protect themselves too.

For years it has been discussed with passion and veracity how important it is for you girls to screen.

I would like to hear to what detail you go in determining what you share and what you do to determine the legitimacy of the person asking you for the information when you provide it.

I would also like to hear how much you feel is needed vs how much is too much.


. Originally Posted by Whispers

To be honest, it's less about specific confidential information and more about how well they can follow instructions. Most people I can weed out quickly and easily because they don't provide the very reasonable and public info (eccie/p411 handle and references) I ask for in my ads. The ones who take the time to tell me about themselves or why they want to see me or what they hope to experience with me proves more to me than personal info or security info like SS#s or addresses or...whatever info that lady had.

I purposely don't ask for super confidential information because I want to keep my clients as comfortable as possible There may be a few that I will need more info from (if refs aren't current or if no refs of I'm just not at least 99% sure), but even then it's usually more along the lines of just needing to get to know them and their personality more than their actual info that no one should have or use against them publicly.

I just need to make sure they aren't cops or creeps. I can normally get a good feel for that if they can follow instructions enough to provide what I ask for originally and especially if they take the time to add their own personal note. Sorry to hear this happened :\

First off I always give my name when asking for a ref, I ask that they were clean, respectful, donation correct or anything that I should know and thats it...

When someone text me, some ladys dont put there name so I will ask themwho they are first off, and then if I remember them I just say yes they are good to see even if they ask other questions I just say they are good and respectful or what have you I DONT put there age, weight, color or what have you because to me thats just rude. There has been a couple times if they were awesome in bed that they rock in the fucking department and have fun but thats about it.

Some times if I cant remember them by handle I will ask for something that I would remember in the session, not ness sexual and usually it never is but something we talked about, something funny that happened or something like that.

I take this very seriously and see myself as a Professional who accepts personal information on the trust system.
Very much like a Lawyer or Doctor(I get paid more hourly than they do)
If you trust these individuals with your information they are bound by oath to keep your secrets. I realize the need for men to stray out side their marriage contract and I am honored to be your temporary 'fill in' for addressing needs that an SO is not capable or willing to preform for you. You are paying me to fulfill that need discreetly and with no strings attached. I am not here to compete with your SO, just take the edge off when you need it.
I have a favorite saying that I like to say to a client after our first session together.
"Have you ever seen the Fight Club"? What is the first rule to Fight Club?
Don't talk about Fight Club!
I have a career outside the Hobby and I would be devastated if my Secret Life were revealed. I think that is the case with the men I entertain.
After all, isn't that what makes this Hobby so much fun?! The secrecy of it all.
When I contact another Provider for a reference that is the title of my request.
"Provider Reference"
I just want to know if the guy is good to see and make sure he is not Johnny Law!
If there are extenuating circumstances, I want to know that too! That is all! I don't need you to write a novel on this guys first kiss...boring! Let me find out the rest on my own!
When I give a Reference, I do the same...Yeah, he's cool...Nope, don't waste your time...and the most recent, call me, we gotta talk about that dude!
I am not a jealous Provider
I will get back as soon as humanly possible
I will lay it on the line and let the Provider make up her own mind if she wants to proceed with the appt or not. I am assuming we are all adults here and can make our own choices.
SL