45 years ago today 4 murdered at Kent State

Today white students are no longer indiscriminately shot by soldiers or police....
Today that just happens to blacks......
Some opine we've come along way since then.........or not....

Today white students are no longer indiscriminately shot by soldiers or police....
Today that just happens to blacks......
Some opine we've come along way since then.........or not.... Originally Posted by Celso

That is such a BS statement. I understand the outrage, but lets not forget that in EVERY ONE of these situations, there was a crime that was being or had been committed, every single one. So is no one to listen to any authority anymore when they tell you what to do as was the case in ALL OF THESE? lets not over look the facts. I am not for police brutality and certainly not for amnesty for police, but lets not make like these were law abiding citizens in peaceful protest that were shot, the comparison is way off.

and

I still have my draft card
its old, wounder what I could get for it in the looking for old thread if did not have my name on it.

That is such a BS statement. I understand the outrage, but lets not forget that in EVERY ONE of these situations, there was a crime that was being or had been committed, every single one. Originally Posted by Justapervert

Yup!
At Kent State some students illegally set off some fireworks!
Those in the NG sure taught them 4 killed plus 10 more injured a lesson, eh?.....

and

I still have my draft card.... Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

I didn't since I was drafted into the US Army at that time.
Yet many of us in the military on base roundly agreed that the Kent State Killings WERE a major GOV FU*KUP!.....ijs

mmmmm I'm with Justapervert on this one
and we seem to hate each other

no really how much is a draft card worth now days

no really how much is a draft card worth now days Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

It's worth less today than it was back then since the Draft was removed....ijs

However after seeing the way our vaulted All Volunteer Army has been used & abused over the last couple decades, re-instituting the Draft just may be good as a means to lesson this abuse!
Oh and to lessen the BS Wars started mainly to fatten the coffers of those in the MIC that Ike warned us about.....

It's worth less today than it was back then....ijs Originally Posted by Celso

darn

Even though it happened in 1970, it was the most despicable act of the 60's protest era, and one of our clearest examples of our government over reaching. There's no correlation at all between the horror of Kent St. and the profligate protests in urban America, over the recent police shootings.

There's no correlation at all between the horror of Kent St. and the profligate protests in urban America, over the recent police shootings. Originally Posted by whatitiz13

Well this lead story in the Buffalo News today by a local resident who was one of those students shot by Guardsmen that day 45 years ago at Kent State, does see a correlation, as do others, myself included.....ijs

Sadly our country is moving backwards, not forwards.....

45 years after Kent State shootings, a survivor looks back
Amherst’s Thomas Grace shares in his upcoming book his experience being shot during Vietnam protest in 1970 and riding in ambulance with a student who died
From lead story,

Following his longtime work as a West Seneca Developmental Center social worker and union leader, the father of two grown children remains active in Kent State affairs and as a Civil War scholar who teaches an Erie Community College course on the topic. The zeal from his anti-Vietnam War days still burns inside him, especially his intolerance of economic and racial injustice, keeping him involved with the Coalition for Economic Justice.

Grace can’t help but notice the parallels between the shooting of unarmed students in Kent, Ohio, and the recent wave of unarmed black men being shot by police across America.

“In some ways,” he said, “Kent State is as fresh as today’s headlines.”

BTW.... I read this Buff News article a couple hours after my OP......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_State_killings

We don't remember this, just 11 days later, as much. Maybe because only 2 students died whereas Kent State was 4. Or maybe because these were black students. Who knows.

Why did they bring fireworks? Why was the guard there? I wasn't born back then but, I heard the song once by that guy/s.

It is never a good idea to send in infantry to do a police job.

That is such a BS statement. I understand the outrage, but lets not forget that in EVERY ONE of these situations, there was a crime that was being or had been committed, every single one. So is no one to listen to any authority anymore when they tell you what to do as was the case in ALL OF THESE? lets not over look the facts. I am not for police brutality and certainly not for amnesty for police, but lets not make like these were law abiding citizens in peaceful protest that were shot, the comparison is way off. Originally Posted by Justapervert

mmmmm I'm with Justapervert on this one
and we seem to hate each other

no really how much is a draft card worth now days Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

Carp.
How fucked up is it that I agree with BOTH of you????

I need to go search and reply to some of your other posts.

It is never a good idea to send in infantry to do a police job. Originally Posted by tigerjedi69

Well it's quite a stretch to say those National Guardsmen sent to Kent State were infantry!

These Guardsmen were basically a bunch of green, Nervous Nellie chicken-hawks and 'fortunate sons' who joined the NG to dodge the Draft in the first place! Many dodged the Draft back then by joining the Guard. Most were ill trained and sent to Kent State mainly as a show of force to scare the protesters on campus. Nixon Republicans were big on this sort of bluster tactics. So when these green NG weekend warrior chicken-shits heard fireworks, they crapped their pants, mistook firecrackers for gunfire and opened fire on the students.

Any REAL USA Infantry Unit KNOWS the difference between gunfire and firecrackers.....ijs