New NFL team THE CHEATRIOTS.

So the Cheatriots and Tom Brady get penalized for cheating against the Colts. 4 game suspension for Brady. 1,000,000 and first round draft for the rest of the cheaters.

Did the NFL ever consider stripping them of the Lombardi trophy. How can a team be given a trophy with such a quality name and history on it. Lombardi is rolling over in embarrassment in his grave.

I think the NFL and the Cheatriots have both disgraced the Lombardi trophy.

How about about banning them from being called world champions. Calling them world cheaters instead.

now this, I believe is for the sandbox unless you want to dig up that one patriot that hooked up with the porn girl

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forgot to say, I agree. and just think - who knows for how long or how many times they did it before.

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Do you think Tom ever cheated on his wife? Just to see if he could get away with it? Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

looks as if it could be steering back to Coed
ha, ha

It can be moved if it's in the wrong spot.

I like the perspective here,,.

Who was it that said "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."?

I think Tom has a problem.

Do you think Tom ever cheated on his wife? Just to see if he could get away with it?

Not hobby related, moving to the litter box.

Cheaters never win. Just ask Tiger Woods how his winning went down the drain with his morals at the same time. She should have broke his putter with a ski pole

Not defending Brady but, you think they are the ONLY ones cheating? Not a fucking chance.

They got off too easy. I can't believe it took months after the thing happened for something to finally be done about it. I've lost a ton of respect for the league.

As the guy above me said everybody cheats but they got caught. They'll take away Lance Armstrong's TdF victories. They'll strip Olympic medals but nothing remotely close happened here.

Deflating footballs is twice as bad as punching a woman .... Brady four games, Rice two games?

Lombardi and Roselle are both spinning in their graves.....here's my .02 per that:

This lapdog of a commish looks to be a rudderless ship; drifting wherever the wind or currents take him. He suspends Sean Peyton an entire season for Bountygate (quote Roger: "Ignorance is no excuse of the rules") yet Bellicheat goes unscathed. I don't get that....

Fining the Pats (or Mr Kraft, what have you) one-million dollar$ was a meaningless gesture. As an organization, they can make up that loss by charging spectators an additional $15 on the next round of playoff tickets. The loss of draft picks (especially the first rounder) has much more impact and the 4th rounder in '17 should have been another first rounder, if not a second.

But the focal point of this issue: my take, Brady should be suspended an entire season. Period.

Flash Back: Pete Roselle suspended two players in '63 (each for the ENTIRE season)....Paul Hornung and Alex Karas; both guilty (of gambling with friends) on NFL games (their own and others throughout the league). Both placed bets from $50 to $200 over a period of time with private friends and other players as "entertainment".

Not to make this a Pete Rose issue, although similar: both could have had direct impact on the outcome of games (or more importantly, the final point-spread of games they participated in) and thus the punishment had to fit the crime: the fabric of the game was being tampered with.

It's unclear as to how many games over what period of time Brady and the Pats have been using under-inflated footballs. The stats / numbers (league vs New England) are startling (look 'em up....this edge can't just be chalked up as their unique culture or coaching). Point is, this couldn't possibly be have been a "one time thing".

Nonetheless......if the Wells Report is to be believed, then it's clear....the guilt is more probable than not: Brady needs to lose an entire season. Four games is simply a slap on the wrist. It's time for this commissioner to wake up, smell the coffee and (finally) grow a pair and do the right thing. Or admit to the world this job is beyond his simple abilities and step down immediately.

And I stand ready to assume these duties if asked to do so.

Lombardi and Roselle are both spinning in their graves.....here's my .02 per that:

This lapdog of a commish looks to be a rudderless ship; drifting wherever the wind or currents take him. He suspends Sean Peyton an entire season for Bountygate (quote Roger: "Ignorance is no excuse of the rules") yet Bellicheat goes unscathed. I don't get that....

Fining the Pats (or Mr Kraft, what have you) one-million dollar$ was a meaningless gesture. As an organization, they can make up that loss by charging spectators an additional $15 on the next round of playoff tickets. The loss of draft picks (especially the first rounder) has much more impact and the 4th rounder in '17 should have been another first rounder, if not a second.

But the focal point of this issue: my take, Brady should be suspended an entire season. Period.

Flash Back: Pete Roselle suspended two players in '63 (each for the ENTIRE season)....Paul Hornung and Alex Karas; both guilty (of gambling with friends) on NFL games (their own and others throughout the league). Both placed bets from $50 to $200 over a period of time with private friends and other players as "entertainment".

Not to make this a Pete Rose issue, although similar: both could have had direct impact on the outcome of games (or more importantly, the final point-spread of games they participated in) and thus the punishment had to fit the crime: the fabric of the game was being tampered with.

It's unclear as to how many games over what period of time Brady and the Pats have been using under-inflated footballs. The stats / numbers (league vs New England) are startling (look 'em up....this edge can't just be chalked up as their unique culture or coaching). Point is, this couldn't possibly be have been a "one time thing".

Nonetheless......if the Wells Report is to be believed, then it's clear....the guilt is more probable than not: Brady needs to lose an entire season. Four games is simply a slap on the wrist. It's time for this commissioner to wake up, smell the coffee and (finally) grow a pair and do the right thing. Or admit to the world this job is beyond his simple abilities and step down immediately.

And I stand ready to assume these duties if asked to do so. Originally Posted by Chateau Becot

According to legal folk "guilt is more probable than not" is the lowest determination of guilt. That means Wells and crew are stating in their findings there is a 51% chance Brady was involved. If Wells thought more, or could prove more, he would have used verbage stating it like "a preponderance of the evidence."

Also, the commish has to work within the CBA. Several of his prior suspensions have been overturned and reduced due to his overreaching. Brady can also lawyer up and get everything thrown out like a couple of the Saints or Adrian Peterson.

In addition, what stats were you attempting to quote? Engineers state the ball flies better and more accurately at higher psi levels. What is really gained by deflating? Brady's numbers were better in the second half against the Colts when the refs reinflated balls at halftime.

Your emotions and indignation are misplaced.

Per our past banter, I appreciate, as always, your insight and points made, pyramider.

Looking back, I should have been a bit more thorough while making my comments per stats; I assumed too much. The stats I was referring to were not Brady's passing numbers.....I was referring to the well-documented fumble-ratio numbers per the Pats by comparison to the rest of the league.

Not going to to state these numbers / graphs / charts, etc here because that's just pure over-kill for a hooker website. That said, there's tons of info available detailing advanced analytics and metrics per these numbers.

Check out Warren Sharp's recent work; sharpfootballanalysis.com

His numbers, by the way, are backed up by Gregory J. Matthews, asst professor of statistics at Loyola University Chicago (he actively blogs at statsinthewild. com)

Both of these men show New England's (passes+rushes+sacks)/per fumble ratio has clearly been off the chart since 2006; coincidentally the same year Brady and Manning convinced the league office to allow teams to select their own game balls vs the previous way: the home team selected game balls for both teams). Advantage? Well, let's see:

Quick snippet: per the aforementioned ratio, since 2010 the league (the "other 31 teams") have averaged a fumble per every 105 plays. And all teams in that median are within 21 of that number, either way. Sharp shows a graph chart indicating the majority of the 31 teams all clumped together. Then you see the Pats numbers and.....uh oh.

New England boasts a league-leading (and it's not even close) ratio of a fumble per every 187 plays. By the way, the Pats became only the 3rd team in the NFL the past 25 years to NOT LOSE A FUMBLE at home in 2014 (they had 6 total and recovered all of them). Remarkably, New England ran the ball 150-200 times more than the other two making that stat all the more unique.

The old axiom of you can make stats / numbers make a case for anything you're attempting to prove is an old one. But the one stat that stands out more than any other------turnovers (in most cases) will determine the final outcome of the game. Since 2000, teams that win the turnover battle, win the game 79.8% of the time. I'm sure that's a stat both Brady and Belichick have been well aware of since day one of their union. Is it as easy as Bill standing up in front of the team prior to game time and suggesting, "Hey, guys....it's cold...it's wet....it's windy today. But let's try to not fumble the ball while we're out there, 'kay?"

I don't think so........

Is an under-inflated football easier to grip onto for a running back...a wide receiver....a tight end? I'd have to say it is.....especially when playing in rainy or sub-freezing weather. Heck, even easier for a qb to grip and retain if he's being sacked (and Brady's own fumbles per sacks dropped in half post-2006. Coincidence?)

I'm not a Brady / Belichick hater by any means......but these numbers are too compelling for me or anyone else to ignore. Goodell's hands may be tied as to administering a harsher penalty.....I still think a year out of the league would serve as a deterent to others thinking this is the way to collecting Lombardi Trophies.....

In addition, what stats were you attempting to quote? Engineers state the ball flies better and more accurately at higher psi levels. What is really gained by deflating? Brady's numbers were better in the second half against the Colts when the refs reinflated balls at halftime.

Your emotions and indignation are misplaced. Originally Posted by pyramider