Question for the moderators

I was perusing the independent review section and something caught my eye, which leads me to a question. What are the guidelines, if any, to a gent revealing in a review the fact that he essentially manipulated his way into a reduced rate with a lady? Is this allowed? She can now expect every guy who reads her review to show up with the same song and dance as the guy who wrote the review. I'm just asking, since I have no idea what the review guidelines are.

There's nothing in the review guidelines that says a reviewer must disclose how he may or may not have worked out a bargain with a provider. However, there is a guideline that prevents a provider from commenting on an a review.

To add to what Captain said.....Ladies can't dispute things in the Review Forum by posting there. If a lady she needs to respond to an issue she needs to do so in the Co-ed Discussions Forum.

With that said, be very, very careful what you are objecting to. I know many ladies have either direct or indirect access to the ROS comments.....which is against the rules......but should you complain about something in ROS you will be subject to sanctions as will the person that revealed the information.

I asked this question here because I am well aware that providers are not allowed to post replies on reviews. Further, the review I noticed is not mine, so its not even my dog in the fight. Finally, the detail I noted was in the replies to the review itself. I have never seen any ROS comments on any review, including my own. It is also worth noting that I have included no details in my post here. It was not my intent to start a debate, or to single either the reviewer or the provider out, or point any fingers.

I just wanted to know if any policy existed regarding information in a review that indicated that a lady had been in any way manipulated or ripped off, if the information seemed likely to lead other hobbyists to expect the same services/rates etc.

I have my answer. No such policy exists. If a guy can manipulate his way into a lower rate, essentially ripping her off, he is perfectly welcome to come to this forum and brag about, and in doing so, give others the opportunity to take the same advantage.

Although it makes the guy a complete jerkoff for doing so.

I've gotten "Specials" before from time to time, not necessarily by lying or manipulating but because sometimes stuff happens. But I don't then come here and post about it because I don't want to screw it up for the girl.

If she agreed to it, he didn't rip her off. The guy may be an ass if he was manipulative. But I know I've been manipulated by providers as well. In the end it's up to each of us to decide what we accept/contribute for a given encounter. That's why we do reviews..

If she agreed to it, he didn't rip her off. The guy may be an ass if he was manipulative. But I know I've been manipulated by providers as well. In the end it's up to each of us to decide what we accept/contribute for a given encounter. That's why we do reviews.. Originally Posted by Sens55

Yes, she agreed to go through with it. What's a lady to do? Cut off her nose to spite her face? He's right there in front of her, so its a little late to book someone else in his place. If she slams the door and tells him to get out, she earns $0.00. In addition, she also has to keep in mind that there is always that question of what he's going to do if she tells him to get out. Not all guys go quietly.

There are guys out there who know all of the above, and count on it because they know that more often than not, the woman will decide that most or part of the donation is better than no money at all, and avoiding a scene is always a bonus, and choose to go through with the appointment. On the off chance that she says no, what is he out? A little time, and he moves on to the next girl to manipulate.

That doesn't make it OK , and it definitely doesn't justify him coming here to share his success story. Any guy who is considering pulling the same stunt now knows his time won't be wasted when he dials her number.

No doubt You can find assholes, rip off artists, manipulators, druggies, con artists, game players, LE, and all sorts of undesirable characters both as providers and clients. Both the men and the Ladies have private areas where this kind of information can be passed on, so that others don't have to contend with these characters. The more info we share, the better we can all make educated, informed decisions, and not have to TofTT.

Yes, she agreed to go through with it. What's a lady to do? Cut off her nose to spite her face? He's right there in front of her, so its a little late to book someone else in his place. If she slams the door and tells him to get out, she earns $0.00. In addition, she also has to keep in mind that there is always that question of what he's going to do if she tells him to get out. Not all guys go quietly.

There are guys out there who know all of the above, and count on it because they know that more often than not, the woman will decide that most or part of the donation is better than no money at all, and avoiding a scene is always a bonus, and choose to go through with the appointment. On the off chance that she says no, what is he out? A little time, and he moves on to the next girl to manipulate.

That doesn't make it OK , and it definitely doesn't justify him coming here to share his success story. Any guy who is considering pulling the same stunt now knows his time won't be wasted when he dials her number. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

This is a topic worth discussing, IMO. Thank you for bringing it up. Here's my take - for what it's worth. The lady has the same recourse that the guy has. If he gets ripped off he reports it in a review or a discussion forum. If she gets ripped off she can report it in the Providers' forum or a discussion forum. There are some restrictions on what each can say (i.e. no outing) but they can let the rest of the community know most of what happened. Anyone who uses abusive business practices will almost always become known for it. It's too bad we can't deal with problems like this more directly and efficiently but that's the price we pay for discretion and anonymity.

I agree with O. I'm not advocating that's it's OK to do. I'm just saying she had options. As a hobbiest I've had the same thing. We show up to find the girl isn't the one in the pics. Or the pics were 10 years and 50 lbs ago. Or the price isn't inclusive, as it was portrayed to be. And, we have choices. We can go through with it or leave. And even in leaving, we are generally out some money, certainly out some time. And yet guys keep going back to these girls even after reviews.

In this case the lady in question could have said "no. I'm sorry. My rate is my rate." She might have shortened her time or menu. Or she might just bite the bullet. Again, I'm not advocating the activity. I think it's every bit as reprehensible for hobbiest to do it as a provider to do it. My point is unless he shorted her or ran out without paying, she had choices.

But as we have the option of doing a review, I think the girls SHOULD out the guy, at least in their room. I wouldn't do it openly because it has the potential to hurt their business if it gets into a "he said, she said" thing. I'll say this now, if I ever short, chisel or cheat a girl, she has my explicit permission to post in the providers area how much of an ass I was. We can do it, why can't they.

But again, she also needs to accept the responsibility that she allowed it to happen. It's worth noting that I've had girls charge a rate...let's say $250. But rent's due and they're reaching out offering $200. Am I taking advantage of the situation? Yes. Am I taking advantage of her? No. I never asked (and have never asked) for the discount. Again, she may want $250, she'll take $200, we both get what we want. And that may be the case here. We only see one side of the story.

But Sens we have to post openly right now because there is no PR and you are right if a provider puts that information in co-ed then it does become nothing but a "he said, she said" thing and we have all seen those threads and how they end up.

Well you're supposed to have a PR & I think you should. But the sentiment is the same. Unless someone is openly swindled the amount offered was accepted. There were other options.

I agree with you 100% Sense. There are always options out there and it is up to each individual on how they handle the given situation.

Ok, the purpose of my post somehow got completely missed. I wanted to know if ECCIE has any policy in place that disallows, or discourages including information in a review that would lead to, or in any way encourage other men manipulate or rip off a woman. That is all I wanted to know. According the review I read, the reviewer stated that he showed up with less than the full donation, and did the "Duh, I didn't know what your rate was" routine (BS, we all know her rate was the first thing he looked at after looking at her pics). The lady (probably because she is new) agreed to go forward with seeing him. Its a situation that happens. But now, any guy reading her review knows HE can show up and pull the same routine. So she isn't just out the amount of donation the reviewer manipulated her out of. She is set up to go through the same routine with who knows how many other guys. *hopefully* she will wise up after about the third for fourth time it happens to her, but who knows. Even if she does wise up and start telling guys no when they show up without the full donation, how many times is she going to have her time wasted, and income lost because of this review?

The intent of review sites is to let hobbyists know what they are getting into when they contact a lady. It takes the guesswork out of wondering if the lady has the menu he is looking for, if her pics match her, if she's going to try and drill a hole in his wallet etc. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't like the idea that they are also a tool for predators to find easy marks. So, I got my answer, I'm just not happy with it. But it is what it is.

PS. Does anyone know why the Powder room is gone, or when it will return? I did in fact attempt to post a link to the review in question there so ladies could make note of a hobbyist who should be passed on. And not for nothing, I also wrote the provider in question, and let her know about the review so she could dispute it (if she has that option), or at least have a heads up of what to expect as fallout from the review.