Fake News Alert: ObamaCare Adds 20 Million To The Insurance Rolls

What about it fLiar65, the most gullible fan of the Obama Administration?

From http://www.investors.com/politics/ed...ot-even-close/


Health Reform: It has become a mantra among Democrats that 20 million people gained coverage thanks to ObamaCare. It's a myth. The real figure is much lower, and almost all the gains came by stuffing more people into the decrepit Medicaid program.

An analysis by the Heritage Foundation shows that these claims are largely based on phony numbers coming out of the White House.

While the White House derived its number using survey data, which it then adjusted, Heritage instead went directly to the sources for enrollment data — Medicaid and private insurers — to see what's really happened.

What they found is that the Obama administration has inflated the ObamaCare coverage number by almost 42%. The actual gain in coverage between 2013 and 2015 was 14 million, Heritage found. That's close to the Census Bureau's estimate that the number of uninsured declined by 12.8 million over these years. And of that, only 2.2 million gained private coverage, Heritage figures. The other 11.8 million went on Medicaid. (Heritage only has hard data through 2015, but enrollment in the exchanges was basically flat in 2016.)

Think about that 2.2 million number for a moment.

ObamaCare has caused massive disruptions of the individual market, forced millions to drop health plans they like, caused huge price spikes and mounting insurance losses, created monopoly markets around the country, and resulted in the virtual takeover of the individual market by HMO plans.

That's to say nothing of the enormous costs of setting up and running the ObamaCare exchanges and the trillion dollars in subsidies to offset the cost of premiums for lower-income families.

All to increase the number of privately insured by a meager 1%.

As for the nearly 12 million added to Medicaid, this cannot be called a victory, given that Medicaid is a bloated, fraud-ridden program that leaves many unable to get to a doctor.

Even before ObamaCare, a third of primary care doctors said they weren't taking new Medicaid patients, according to a 2012 report to Congress. Several states have bumped up reimbursement rates in hopes of attracting more physicians.

As a result, ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion created a flood of people heading to emergency rooms for care, which has contributed to the sharp, unexpected hike in Medicaid costs.

Even if we take the administration at face value and assume that 20 million did gain coverage under ObamaCare, that doesn't mean they'll be out on the street if ObamaCare is repealed.

Such claims assume that Republicans do nothing to replace ObamaCare, which isn't what they are proposing at all.

The consensus House plan would keep ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion in place for two years, for example, after which it would reform the entire system.

The GOP also plans to introduce a better, more efficient tax credit to offset some of the costs of individual insurance, set up separate high-risk pools to handle the truly uninsurable, and eliminate most of ObamaCare's expensive regulatory scheme.

If anything, the GOP replacement could end up doing better job at making health care more affordable to more people than ObamaCare has, but at a fraction of the cost.

What about it FLGHTR65?

From http://www.investors.com/politics/ed...ot-even-close/


Health Reform: It has become a mantra among Democrats that 20 million people gained coverage thanks to ObamaCare. It's a myth. The real figure is much lower, and almost all the gains came by stuffing more people into the decrepit Medicaid program.

An analysis by the Heritage Foundation shows that these claims are largely based on phony numbers coming out of the White House.

While the White House derived its number using survey data, which it then adjusted, Heritage instead went directly to the sources for enrollment data — Medicaid and private insurers — to see what's really happened.

What they found is that the Obama administration has inflated the ObamaCare coverage number by almost 42%. The actual gain in coverage between 2013 and 2015 was 14 million, Heritage found. That's close to the Census Bureau's estimate that the number of uninsured declined by 12.8 million over these years. And of that, only 2.2 million gained private coverage, Heritage figures. The other 11.8 million went on Medicaid. (Heritage only has hard data through 2015, but enrollment in the exchanges was basically flat in 2016.)

Think about that 2.2 million number for a moment.

ObamaCare has caused massive disruptions of the individual market, forced millions to drop health plans they like, caused huge price spikes and mounting insurance losses, created monopoly markets around the country, and resulted in the virtual takeover of the individual market by HMO plans.

That's to say nothing of the enormous costs of setting up and running the ObamaCare exchanges and the trillion dollars in subsidies to offset the cost of premiums for lower-income families.

All to increase the number of privately insured by a meager 1%.

As for the nearly 12 million added to Medicaid, this cannot be called a victory, given that Medicaid is a bloated, fraud-ridden program that leaves many unable to get to a doctor.

Even before ObamaCare, a third of primary care doctors said they weren't taking new Medicaid patients, according to a 2012 report to Congress. Several states have bumped up reimbursement rates in hopes of attracting more physicians.

As a result, ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion created a flood of people heading to emergency rooms for care, which has contributed to the sharp, unexpected hike in Medicaid costs.

Even if we take the administration at face value and assume that 20 million did gain coverage under ObamaCare, that doesn't mean they'll be out on the street if ObamaCare is repealed.

Such claims assume that Republicans do nothing to replace ObamaCare, which isn't what they are proposing at all.

The consensus House plan would keep ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion in place for two years, for example, after which it would reform the entire system.

The GOP also plans to introduce a better, more efficient tax credit to offset some of the costs of individual insurance, set up separate high-risk pools to handle the truly uninsurable, and eliminate most of ObamaCare's expensive regulatory scheme.

If anything, the GOP replacement could end up doing better job at making health care more affordable to more people than ObamaCare has, but at a fraction of the cost. Originally Posted by gnadfly

1. Your article is saying the "Center For Disease Control" miscounted by 6 Million people? I don't know about that.

2. Your article is critical of how many people get the expanded Medicaid. Who gets the expanded Medicaid is determined by your income. A family of 4 that makes less than $24,000 gets the Medicaid. They do not make enough money for a private plan on the government exchanges.

3. They should not consider going back to "State High Risk Pools" that did not work before. That was more expensive than the premium spikes you see now. Thus, very few people joined them.

4. The tax credits is a good idea. This is in the Sessions bill. (The Sessions who is a congressman from Texas). They should go with the Sessions bill, it removes the individual mandate and it has the tax credits, for people who want that. If people want a private plan off the government exchange they can still get that. The Session's bill is already written, so they could do the repeal and replace at the same time. Otherwise, they would have to go with repeal and delay and that will take 3 years.

...I don't know about that.... Originally Posted by flghtr65

You should have stopped right there ...

.... and at least had some minimal amount of credibility.

But you CAN'T ... and you DON'T!

1. Your article is saying the "Center For Disease Control" miscounted by 6 Million people? I don't know about that.

..... Originally Posted by flghtr65

Where does this article mention the "Center For Disease Control?"

Where does this article mention the "Center For Disease Control?" Originally Posted by gnadfly

That was an "echo" between his ears.

He's saturated with the Gruber-Noise!

He keeps talking about "signing up"!

How many people "signed up" for the Lottery last night?

From http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...#disqus_thread

"I don’t have pride of authorship on this thing," the president added. "I’m not the one who named it Obamacare!"

Just fuckin' incredible!

From http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...#disqus_thread

"I don’t have pride of authorship on this thing," the president added. "I’m not the one who named it Obamacare!"

Just fuckin' incredible! Originally Posted by gnadfly

I saw/heard video cuts on that comment ...

..... absolutely remarkable!

Look for it on YouTube ... It'll be a "keeper" for sure!

Is it small wonder that the "bad boys" around the World scoff at him?

Where does this article mention the "Center For Disease Control?" Originally Posted by gnadfly

Your article states that the Obama administration inflated the numbers for people who are insured as a result of the ACA law. The "CDC" is one government agency that published numbers. I posted numbers from the CDC a couple of months ago. You replied that the numbers were suspect.

From http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...#disqus_thread

"I don’t have pride of authorship on this thing," the president added. "I’m not the one who named it Obamacare!"

Just fuckin' incredible! Originally Posted by gnadfly

The committee that was chaired by Senator Max Baucus did the bulk of the writing for the ACA bill. Obama did not write the bill. Obama signed it into law.

From http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...#disqus_thread

"I don’t have pride of authorship on this thing," the president added. "I’m not the one who named it Obamacare!"

Just fuckin' incredible! Originally Posted by gnadfly

It's incredible alright. According to the link below the ACA is a Ponzi Scheme which basically makes it illegal. So it should be repealed or amended to be made legal.

Jim

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/wanted-he....yRHwctXV.dpbs

You should have stopped right there ...

.... and at least had some minimal amount of credibility.

But you CAN'T ... and you DON'T! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Only the Bush worshipers can post more than 27,000 times on ECCIE?

The committee that was chaired by Senator Max Baucus did the bulk of the writing for the ACA bill. Obama did not write the bill. Obama signed it into law. Originally Posted by flghtr65

And the loyalists start distancing themselves from the reality!!!



And HE'S STILL PRESIDENT!!!!

Only the Bush worshipers can post more than 27,000 times on ECCIE? Originally Posted by flghtr65

You regressing boy?

Is your "life" (so to speak) flashing before your eyes?

Only two more weeks ... and you're DONE!

You all gonna start blaming Bush for Obamacare??????

You are a joke! Proving there is a God. Nature doesn't create Jokes!

A very badly written bill that never should have seen the light of day.
Little more than a tax and redistribution scam.
What happe3ned to that 2500 dollar premium decrease I was going to get?

You have to pass it to find out what is in it.

What happened to that bill will sit on his desk for public review and comment before he signed it?

He was just a fucking liar like all Democrats.

You regressing boy?

Is your "life" (so to speak) flashing before your eyes?

Only two more weeks ... and you're DONE!

You all gonna start blaming Bush for Obamacare??????

You are a joke! Proving there is a God. Nature doesn't create Jokes! Originally Posted by LexusLover

You didn't answer the question boy.