- Why_Yes_I_Do
- 03-03-2020, 09:01 AM
Giving the sourcing of the latest flu virus coming from China and the normal return to China for long vacations by many AMP providers - has this changed your frequency of AMP visits? (See poll above ^)
- GastonGlock
- 03-03-2020, 09:08 PM
Refined answer for me: I've been backing off of AMPs because I'm generally not super pleased with the AMP experience, not because of COVID-19. Like I'm still down to go to LoL for example.
I'm kind of a best-case for someone who could get infected: I have a whole house to myself, I work from home, and if I get sick, I can get groceries delivered. And I'm healthy enough that it'll just be a cold for me.
I'm kind of a best-case for someone who could get infected: I have a whole house to myself, I work from home, and if I get sick, I can get groceries delivered. And I'm healthy enough that it'll just be a cold for me.
- chupame2
- 03-04-2020, 04:57 PM
Giving the sourcing of the latest flu virus coming from China and the normal return to China for long vacations by many AMP providers - has this changed your frequency of AMP visits? (See poll above ^) Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_DoNo, majority of the AMP provider I frequence are Vietnamese, Thailand, and Latina.
- GastonGlock
- 03-04-2020, 05:47 PM
- AustinGiant
- 03-05-2020, 04:47 PM
To be perfectly honest I’ve switched to only local Latina and White providers since February. Too many of the Asian providers I regularly see travel home for Chinese New Year. I’m going to wait and see how things go as we get into Summer.
- ElmoreHermit
- 03-07-2020, 11:45 AM
COVID-19 is no longer just a China problem. At least 78 countries on every continent except Antartica have reported cases, and more new cases are being reported outside China than in China. So far, the US has 164 cases with 17 deaths, 15 of those in Washington State.
At this point, we're more likely to catch the virus at any crowded area--airport, school, bar, rodeo, concert, ballet, church--than we are at an AMP. All it takes is being within 6 feet of someone who has the virus and coughs or sneezes, and there's pretty good evidence the virus can be caught from a surface touched or sneezed on or coughed on by an infected person.
Regarding the post above about people going home for Chinese New Year, I don't know any Chinese providers who went home for Chinese New Year. China was already locked down during Chinese New Year, so there wasn't much point. If someone did go to their home country and return, they either came back healthy, or they'd already be sick. Texas has reported 4 or 5 COVID-19 cases statewide, and none of them has been reported as linked to an AMP.
In the long term, I don't think seeing providers of only one race or nationality protects anyone. All providers likely have other customers who are seeing women of other races or nationalities, or they may be seeing customers who are infected from some other source, but not yet showing symptoms.
I think the women--regardless of race or nationality--who rotate in and out of Austin a lot might pose a slightly higher risk, because the virus has been linked to travel, but again it's us, the customers, who would be more likely to carry the virus to an AMP or provider initially and then from one AMP or provider to another.
At any rate, if you get the virus, whatever the source, it probably won't kill you (greater chance of dying, but still a fairly low percentage, if you're older, or have diabetes or asthma or heart disease or anything else that might weaken your immune system).
To keep things in perspective--So far, 17 deaths nationwide from Covid-19 compared to at least 24 deaths from the Tennessee tornados a few days ago and somewhere between 3,500 to 4,000 traffic fatalities in Texas each year (more than any other state).
In other words, we're a lot more likely to die driving to an AMP than from anything that happens if we reach the AMP safely. (Unless the AMP gets hit by a tornado while we're there. I wouldn't mind going out that way. In fact, I think I'll rush to my ATF next time there are tornados around Austin.)
At this point, we're more likely to catch the virus at any crowded area--airport, school, bar, rodeo, concert, ballet, church--than we are at an AMP. All it takes is being within 6 feet of someone who has the virus and coughs or sneezes, and there's pretty good evidence the virus can be caught from a surface touched or sneezed on or coughed on by an infected person.
Regarding the post above about people going home for Chinese New Year, I don't know any Chinese providers who went home for Chinese New Year. China was already locked down during Chinese New Year, so there wasn't much point. If someone did go to their home country and return, they either came back healthy, or they'd already be sick. Texas has reported 4 or 5 COVID-19 cases statewide, and none of them has been reported as linked to an AMP.
In the long term, I don't think seeing providers of only one race or nationality protects anyone. All providers likely have other customers who are seeing women of other races or nationalities, or they may be seeing customers who are infected from some other source, but not yet showing symptoms.
I think the women--regardless of race or nationality--who rotate in and out of Austin a lot might pose a slightly higher risk, because the virus has been linked to travel, but again it's us, the customers, who would be more likely to carry the virus to an AMP or provider initially and then from one AMP or provider to another.
At any rate, if you get the virus, whatever the source, it probably won't kill you (greater chance of dying, but still a fairly low percentage, if you're older, or have diabetes or asthma or heart disease or anything else that might weaken your immune system).
To keep things in perspective--So far, 17 deaths nationwide from Covid-19 compared to at least 24 deaths from the Tennessee tornados a few days ago and somewhere between 3,500 to 4,000 traffic fatalities in Texas each year (more than any other state).
In other words, we're a lot more likely to die driving to an AMP than from anything that happens if we reach the AMP safely. (Unless the AMP gets hit by a tornado while we're there. I wouldn't mind going out that way. In fact, I think I'll rush to my ATF next time there are tornados around Austin.)
- GastonGlock
- 03-07-2020, 01:03 PM
In other words, we're a lot more likely to die driving to an AMP than from anything that happens if we reach the AMP safely. Originally Posted by ElmoreHermitThis part I can't understate enough. Everyone is being incredibly sensationalist about this, and it's really annoying to me. People are arguing that it's got 10x the fatality rate of the flu, but we don't know the demographic information of the people who are dying.
When grown-ass, perfectly healthy men in their 20's start dropping from this thing, I'll start worrying. If it's small children, the elderly, and anyone else that's immunocompromised, then we should treat it like anything else that goes around every year.
- AnimalHouse
- 03-08-2020, 06:46 AM
+1 GG and don't forget the sensationalism..
- ElmoreHermit
- 03-08-2020, 03:18 PM
Somebody mentioned demographics. See below. Bottom line: The younger you are the less risk of dying, assuming you catch the virus in the first place.
8 cases in Texas so far (not including the people who were quarantined at Lackland; most of them have been cleared and gone home). All Texas cases are in Harris and Fort Bend counties. All related to travel. 0 deaths in Texas so far.
400 cases nationwide. 100 of those are in Washington state, which also has 15 of the 19 deaths. New York and Florida each have 2 deaths.
Don't take a cruise ship to Seattle and you're probably pretty safe.
"The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19."
DEATH RATE
80+ years old- 14.8%
70-79 years old- 8.0%
60-69 years old- 3.6%
50-59 years old- 1.3%
40-49 years old- 0.4%
30-39 years old- 0.2%
20-29 years old- 0.2%
10-19 years old- 0.2%
0-9 years old- no fatalities
8 cases in Texas so far (not including the people who were quarantined at Lackland; most of them have been cleared and gone home). All Texas cases are in Harris and Fort Bend counties. All related to travel. 0 deaths in Texas so far.
400 cases nationwide. 100 of those are in Washington state, which also has 15 of the 19 deaths. New York and Florida each have 2 deaths.
Don't take a cruise ship to Seattle and you're probably pretty safe.
"The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19."
DEATH RATE
80+ years old- 14.8%
70-79 years old- 8.0%
60-69 years old- 3.6%
50-59 years old- 1.3%
40-49 years old- 0.4%
30-39 years old- 0.2%
20-29 years old- 0.2%
10-19 years old- 0.2%
0-9 years old- no fatalities
- Why_Yes_I_Do
- 03-09-2020, 08:14 AM
Great insights and much appreciated. For my part, I've cut back hobbying in general, but I ain't skeered. Then again, I ain't foolish either. My experience with Chinese providers, other nationalities as well, is that they do return home to their country of origin annually and not necessarily just for the New Year. So yes, regardless of where they go, they are traveling, cross boarders and countries and would be at greater risk - IMHO.
Having said that, I'm am steadfastly against fear porning about the virus. Simple, prudent, precautions should be used - as with any flue season. I feel that overall, our country is aware and likely on top of the situation. Though there are reports of corrupt actors in our own government that work against us. Look up "Brownlee" for example. However, I tend to believe the Chinese government lacks candor about it and pretty much everything else. For the life of me, I do not understand anyone that believes the Chinese govt gives a rats pahtoot about anyone other than themselves, i.e. the government at large. Maybe it's just me.
As always, use the head on top of your shoulders and soldier on.
Having said that, I'm am steadfastly against fear porning about the virus. Simple, prudent, precautions should be used - as with any flue season. I feel that overall, our country is aware and likely on top of the situation. Though there are reports of corrupt actors in our own government that work against us. Look up "Brownlee" for example. However, I tend to believe the Chinese government lacks candor about it and pretty much everything else. For the life of me, I do not understand anyone that believes the Chinese govt gives a rats pahtoot about anyone other than themselves, i.e. the government at large. Maybe it's just me.
As always, use the head on top of your shoulders and soldier on.