I found this on the internet after having some crazy interaction with Gina and she disabled my account for not verifying someone that I was unsure of. She had told me to call him and sent me a name and number and talk about the session until my memory was jogged... I told her no and long story short, my account was permanetly disabled as I requested. But then I did some checking because the whole thing sounded fishy...the questions she was asking and what she was asking me to do. I then found this article on the internet...I don't know if it's real or not but it does seem to be a real organized crime report...let me know if you know anything...
http://www.ripoffreport.com/organize...refe-dd6cd.htm
thanks, kristen
- KristenDiAngelo
- 09-26-2011, 12:36 PM
- Sensia
- 09-26-2011, 12:58 PM
my account was permanetly disabled as I requested.Why did you ask to have your account disabled?
http://www.ripoffreport.com/organize...refe-dd6cd.htm
thanks, kristen Originally Posted by KristenDiAngelo
I find this ripoffreport very suspect. Too many people can make up anything on the internet and post it.
I have not had to give any ID and I will not. From my understanding the ID is to verify your of age (if you look underage) for advertising purposes.
Eros does this as well as some other sites.
- KristenDiAngelo
- 09-26-2011, 01:15 PM
Here is a post from another city...I had been discussing this with some people when I decided to do some research. Some of which I have now answered for myself....
I no longer have a profile (or don't believe I do), as I asked to be removed as 411 permanently. I was asked to verify a client who had seen me supposedly over 1 year ago. I was sent his name and number by them. I do not keep records for the safety of my clients and myself (you who have been around awhile know exactly what I am speaking of). I was then asked by a woman named Michelle from 411preferred to call the client and speak with him over the phone, actually to talk with him about our session to jog my memory. After informing 411 that I didn't feel safe doing that. I was told it was mandatory. A girl must remember and give an okay or denial on each referral or be disabled. All I needed to do is say yes or no and I could keep my account.
At that point it dawned on me that the truth in this case (at least for them), wasn't relevant. I was apologetic that I couldn't give the review, but I refused to speak of sessions on the internet of over the phone, especially to a person who I didn't remember or with a number that someone I didn't know sent me...(as I have no idea who Michelle was). I told them that I was afraid, due to their policy that providers would give a yes or no. I couldn't do it. I just couldn't lie or risk my or my clients security. I just didn't want to be responsible for a girl getting hurt. I told Michelle, that at that point I was feeling pressured and coerced into saying something that wasn't true (or that I wasn't sure of), in order to maintain my status.
I then received a note back from another woman named Gina at 411p...Her email was a bit more biting saying that if I was "above that", then she would understand, and 411 wasn't for me. I'm sorry, but yes, I'm above endangering myself, another provider, or a hobbiest...(and sort of proud of that fact)!
Now, I'm a pretty strong woman and am not easily manipulated. I know how to say no when something seems off base. I said NO....and asked to be removed from their data base. So I have some questions from anyone who knows the answer...
1) Who are these people? Does anyone know them? The site came up in 2007 and the server is based in Dallas (thus under the control of US authorities...The registration is a domain company out of Denver.) I can find nothing else.
2) Have any other providers been directed to talk on the phone about sessions or been encouraged to just give an answer without care to whether it is true or not?
3) How safe if the info they are keeping? US officials can access the info as I pointed out...the server is a US server and they are storing clients and providers info...Does anyone know of any security steps they are taking to prevent this from happening?
4) How safe are the okays? (I pointed out that by not allowing a girl to opt out of any referrals they are putting girls in a corner, thus it is up to the girl to make the call about telling the truth or not) Do they even know if the girl is real who is making the review?
I am simply really curious. I ran a check on Alexa.net. To check the validity of the site, and there is no info....really...no info. Most sites are tracked her in the US and you can get a feel for the legitimacy of the site..ie, Eccie is ranked 6,770 in the US out of millions of sites....a very reputable ranking...but NO and I mean NO info on p411.
Any info and I'd so be very interested to hear what you have to say...
I no longer have a profile (or don't believe I do), as I asked to be removed as 411 permanently. I was asked to verify a client who had seen me supposedly over 1 year ago. I was sent his name and number by them. I do not keep records for the safety of my clients and myself (you who have been around awhile know exactly what I am speaking of). I was then asked by a woman named Michelle from 411preferred to call the client and speak with him over the phone, actually to talk with him about our session to jog my memory. After informing 411 that I didn't feel safe doing that. I was told it was mandatory. A girl must remember and give an okay or denial on each referral or be disabled. All I needed to do is say yes or no and I could keep my account.
At that point it dawned on me that the truth in this case (at least for them), wasn't relevant. I was apologetic that I couldn't give the review, but I refused to speak of sessions on the internet of over the phone, especially to a person who I didn't remember or with a number that someone I didn't know sent me...(as I have no idea who Michelle was). I told them that I was afraid, due to their policy that providers would give a yes or no. I couldn't do it. I just couldn't lie or risk my or my clients security. I just didn't want to be responsible for a girl getting hurt. I told Michelle, that at that point I was feeling pressured and coerced into saying something that wasn't true (or that I wasn't sure of), in order to maintain my status.
I then received a note back from another woman named Gina at 411p...Her email was a bit more biting saying that if I was "above that", then she would understand, and 411 wasn't for me. I'm sorry, but yes, I'm above endangering myself, another provider, or a hobbiest...(and sort of proud of that fact)!
Now, I'm a pretty strong woman and am not easily manipulated. I know how to say no when something seems off base. I said NO....and asked to be removed from their data base. So I have some questions from anyone who knows the answer...
1) Who are these people? Does anyone know them? The site came up in 2007 and the server is based in Dallas (thus under the control of US authorities...The registration is a domain company out of Denver.) I can find nothing else.
2) Have any other providers been directed to talk on the phone about sessions or been encouraged to just give an answer without care to whether it is true or not?
3) How safe if the info they are keeping? US officials can access the info as I pointed out...the server is a US server and they are storing clients and providers info...Does anyone know of any security steps they are taking to prevent this from happening?
4) How safe are the okays? (I pointed out that by not allowing a girl to opt out of any referrals they are putting girls in a corner, thus it is up to the girl to make the call about telling the truth or not) Do they even know if the girl is real who is making the review?
I am simply really curious. I ran a check on Alexa.net. To check the validity of the site, and there is no info....really...no info. Most sites are tracked her in the US and you can get a feel for the legitimacy of the site..ie, Eccie is ranked 6,770 in the US out of millions of sites....a very reputable ranking...but NO and I mean NO info on p411.
Any info and I'd so be very interested to hear what you have to say...
- KristenDiAngelo
- 09-26-2011, 01:18 PM
the difference is Eros is an advertising site not a data base of clients with links of girls that can verify who they are...also, we are not depending on Eros to keep us safe only to bring a clients to are door. It is up to us to decide. They have nothing to do with the appointment. preferred411...keeps dates and links between the two, a virtual play ground for LE...
- Naughty Destiny
- 09-26-2011, 02:22 PM
Gina's response to this report
I have to say, from my own experience of being on that site since 2005, I find it very useful and helpful. I do not think it is a ripoff site, and just as Gina stated, some people hate her and her website. I believe that that is what this boils down to. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it.
I have to say, from my own experience of being on that site since 2005, I find it very useful and helpful. I do not think it is a ripoff site, and just as Gina stated, some people hate her and her website. I believe that that is what this boils down to. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it.
- GinaXXX
- 09-26-2011, 02:24 PM
Most providers on P411 know that having a free account on P411 means that they are required to take part in the network by providing feedback (good or back) on P411 clients in a timely manner.
Here is the actual response I sent to Kristen, word for word:
Dear Kristen,
I've been in this industry longer than you, nana-nana-booboo (lol jk), and I spent 16 of my years in this industry as a provider. If you don't remember the occasional client that's fine.... you can say so. Most providers value their P411 membership and want to take part in the network by sharing info, and therefore have no issue making an effort to remember, or to spark their memory by contacting the client for more info. If you are above all of that (as you make it sound), it's not a big deal... we should just part ways.
This issue is that providers must respond, one way or another. If you don't want to give the Okay, it's not a big deal.... we just ask for the reason so we can make a note and keep an eye on the clients for any potential issues.
All providers are aware that they are expected to respond to Okay requests (with an Okay, or with a quick email saying why not) in a timely fashion. We shut ALL provider accounts down if no response is received within 4 days. It's certainly not a secret, it's how we weed out those who are unwillingly participate in the network.
Please let me know if you have any questions. I do hope you'll stay with us, but sometimes it's just not meant to be.
Sincerely,
Gina
I assure you that MANY people know me, and know of me and P411, in the industry. Just do a search of P411 here on ECCIE and you'll bring up tons of info.
Domain Name: PREFERRED411.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS.TDG.CA Name Server:
NS.VENTURELABOUR.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 18-feb-2010
Creation Date: 13-jan-2005
Expiration Date: 13-jan-2017
Our server is in Canada, I live in Canada, my entire staff lives in Canada, you can come visit me here or send me a letter if you wish. Hell you can even hear my Canadian accent on the phone if we speak!
2) Have any other providers been directed to talk on the phone about sessions or been encouraged to just give an answer without care to whether it is true or not?
I can tell you that all providers on P411 are expected to respond to Requests for Okays in a timely manner, and anyone giving us unnecessary headaches and argument when doing so, is simply removed from P411.
3) How safe if the info they are keeping? US officials can access the info as I pointed out...the server is a US server and they are storing clients and providers info...Does anyone know of any security steps they are taking to prevent this from happening?
We are in Canada (where prostitution is legal btw)... and regardless, any private information collected during the screening process is deleted and destroyed once the membership has been approved. This is done to protect our clients, as well as to allow me to sleep well at night knowing that NO ONE could access any private information, because there is none in our databases. It's in my best interest (financially) to be very careful with my customers info, after all!
That said, Okays only mean that the client showed up on time, paid the fee owed, and was no more trouble that the usual client. Providers are encouraged to do as much additional screening as they feel is necessary to keep themselves safe, and no "okay" should be taken as a guarantee that you couldn't/wouldn't have a problem with the client.
P411 is only meant to be used as one tool in the screening process, it is not the end all and be all.
There are reports out there posted by people I've pissed off.... people like you, in fact. Believe those reports if you will, all that matters is that I know what the truth is, and where my loyalty lies. This business has taken me from a 13 year old runaway living on the streets without a change of clothes, to being a successful women and loving, grateful mother.... and I will never betray this business, it's given me far too many gifts.
Anyway, you know where to find me if need be!
Always.
Gina
Here is the actual response I sent to Kristen, word for word:
Dear Kristen,
I've been in this industry longer than you, nana-nana-booboo (lol jk), and I spent 16 of my years in this industry as a provider. If you don't remember the occasional client that's fine.... you can say so. Most providers value their P411 membership and want to take part in the network by sharing info, and therefore have no issue making an effort to remember, or to spark their memory by contacting the client for more info. If you are above all of that (as you make it sound), it's not a big deal... we should just part ways.
This issue is that providers must respond, one way or another. If you don't want to give the Okay, it's not a big deal.... we just ask for the reason so we can make a note and keep an eye on the clients for any potential issues.
All providers are aware that they are expected to respond to Okay requests (with an Okay, or with a quick email saying why not) in a timely fashion. We shut ALL provider accounts down if no response is received within 4 days. It's certainly not a secret, it's how we weed out those who are unwillingly participate in the network.
Please let me know if you have any questions. I do hope you'll stay with us, but sometimes it's just not meant to be.
Sincerely,
Gina
1) Who are these people? Does anyone know them?I'm Gina, formerly known as Kelly34dd prior to my retirement as an escort in 1999. I was on the TBD Top25 at that time, and did an "Ask Kelly" forum on TBD way back then. My agency, called Private Connection, started to get going (in Dallas and Denver) and I moved back to my home (Canada) in 2003. In 2005 my staff and I started working on P411, and last year (12/31/10) I closed the agency to focus on P411. I have my hands in many other pots in the industry, but these are the most notable ones.
I assure you that MANY people know me, and know of me and P411, in the industry. Just do a search of P411 here on ECCIE and you'll bring up tons of info.
The site came up in 2007 and the server is based in Dallas (thus under the control of US authorities...The registration is a domain company out of Denver.) I can find nothing else.Here is the WhoIs info about us.... not sure where you got your info, but it's incorrect:
Domain Name: PREFERRED411.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS.TDG.CA Name Server:
NS.VENTURELABOUR.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 18-feb-2010
Creation Date: 13-jan-2005
Expiration Date: 13-jan-2017
Our server is in Canada, I live in Canada, my entire staff lives in Canada, you can come visit me here or send me a letter if you wish. Hell you can even hear my Canadian accent on the phone if we speak!
2) Have any other providers been directed to talk on the phone about sessions or been encouraged to just give an answer without care to whether it is true or not?
I can tell you that all providers on P411 are expected to respond to Requests for Okays in a timely manner, and anyone giving us unnecessary headaches and argument when doing so, is simply removed from P411.
3) How safe if the info they are keeping? US officials can access the info as I pointed out...the server is a US server and they are storing clients and providers info...Does anyone know of any security steps they are taking to prevent this from happening?
We are in Canada (where prostitution is legal btw)... and regardless, any private information collected during the screening process is deleted and destroyed once the membership has been approved. This is done to protect our clients, as well as to allow me to sleep well at night knowing that NO ONE could access any private information, because there is none in our databases. It's in my best interest (financially) to be very careful with my customers info, after all!
4) How safe are the okays? (I pointed out that by not allowing a girl to opt out of any referrals they are putting girls in a corner, thus it is up to the girl to make the call about telling the truth or not) Do they even know if the girl is real who is making the review?You don't have to give anyone an Okay if you don't want to, as I told you numerous times, all you need to do is shoot us the reason so we can keep tabs on the members and see if any problems are starting to develop.
That said, Okays only mean that the client showed up on time, paid the fee owed, and was no more trouble that the usual client. Providers are encouraged to do as much additional screening as they feel is necessary to keep themselves safe, and no "okay" should be taken as a guarantee that you couldn't/wouldn't have a problem with the client.
P411 is only meant to be used as one tool in the screening process, it is not the end all and be all.
I am simply really curious. I ran a check on Alexa.net. To check the validity of the site, and there is no info....really...no info. Most sites are tracked her in the US and you can get a feel for the legitimacy of the site..ie, Eccie is ranked 6,770 in the US out of millions of sites....a very reputable ranking...but NO and I mean NO info on p411.We don't show up on the tracking sites because P411 is completely SSL encrypted. IF the other sites you refer to were totally encrypted, they wouldn't show up either.... however, their function is different than ours, and a higher level of security is called for imo.
I then found this article on the internet...I don't know if it's real or not but it does seem to be a real organized crime report.We do age verifications in many cases, which is what the report refers to and twists into something more than it is.
There are reports out there posted by people I've pissed off.... people like you, in fact. Believe those reports if you will, all that matters is that I know what the truth is, and where my loyalty lies. This business has taken me from a 13 year old runaway living on the streets without a change of clothes, to being a successful women and loving, grateful mother.... and I will never betray this business, it's given me far too many gifts.
Anyway, you know where to find me if need be!
Always.
Gina
- KristenDiAngelo
- 09-26-2011, 03:28 PM
I got this info on the site location, which could be flawed, it is the internet at
http://www.who.is/whois/411preferred.com/
http://www.whois.net/whois/411preferred.com
And I found a site that says there are two registrars for this site, and after you sent the link I saw yours...but you are listed under a US registrar. I am not trying to offend you Gina...but here is the email directing me to speak with clients...
"Please contact Eric for more information and get back to us as soon as possible."
Regards,
Michelle
Attached to it was the name and phone number of a man you called Eric...I did not possess this info you sent it to me... This email came from a woman named Michelle from your site. This was after I told her I couldn't remember him...
She also wrote me...
"Your free provider listing on Preferred411 requires taking part in our network by giving feedback (references) on members."
This just means to me that there is an a reason for girls to lie....they get something free...
you had also said to me...
"I've been in this industry longer than you, nana-nana-booboo (lol jk)"
and really I don't even know an adult who talks like that...it was sort of crazy just unprofessional...I expect that all sites should be scrutinized and questioned if it deals with personal information...and to get a response like the above is sort of illegitimate and childish.. you don't know how long I've been in the business...if my age is correct in my profile and I've been in the business since I was 16 (yes, so many years in the Cat houses), well, that makes it...somewhere with the lower end being 24 years...going up from there...So Gina, I do not want to start a pissing match...not my intention. Just looking for some answers...you are listed in the US as being one of the servers...if you are not, that should be cleared up because that alone might give room for LE...
also, I'm not sure nana-nana-booboo is an appropriate word to use when someone is simply telling you that they don't remember someone and the safety of their clients and themselves comes first...
You also wrote this...
"This issue is that providers must respond, one way or another."
I did respond...I don't know was the answer and I am not willing to speak over the phone..as I pointed out to you...I think that would encourage women to give okays just for the membership, and for that reason I wanted to be removed...you can run your business any way you like, I just don't want to be part of it if there is an incentive for a free membership...
I CAN BE WRONG ABOUT THE SERVICE A HUNDRED TIMES AND NO ONE GETS HURT...BUT IT ONLY TAKES ONE TIME FOR A WOMAN TO ANSWER TO KEEP A FREE ACCOUNT AND IT BE THE WRONG TIME, AND A GIRL DIES...UNFORTUNATELY THIS DOES HAPPEN DAILY AND DENIAL WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY.
I simply didn't want to be the cause for that and I surely wasn't going to lie...I wish you the best and I in no way was trying to put your site down, I just wanted answers as I found the email telling me to call someone named Eric to be a bit off base...
http://www.who.is/whois/411preferred.com/
http://www.whois.net/whois/411preferred.com
And I found a site that says there are two registrars for this site, and after you sent the link I saw yours...but you are listed under a US registrar. I am not trying to offend you Gina...but here is the email directing me to speak with clients...
"Please contact Eric for more information and get back to us as soon as possible."
Regards,
Michelle
Attached to it was the name and phone number of a man you called Eric...I did not possess this info you sent it to me... This email came from a woman named Michelle from your site. This was after I told her I couldn't remember him...
She also wrote me...
"Your free provider listing on Preferred411 requires taking part in our network by giving feedback (references) on members."
This just means to me that there is an a reason for girls to lie....they get something free...
you had also said to me...
"I've been in this industry longer than you, nana-nana-booboo (lol jk)"
and really I don't even know an adult who talks like that...it was sort of crazy just unprofessional...I expect that all sites should be scrutinized and questioned if it deals with personal information...and to get a response like the above is sort of illegitimate and childish.. you don't know how long I've been in the business...if my age is correct in my profile and I've been in the business since I was 16 (yes, so many years in the Cat houses), well, that makes it...somewhere with the lower end being 24 years...going up from there...So Gina, I do not want to start a pissing match...not my intention. Just looking for some answers...you are listed in the US as being one of the servers...if you are not, that should be cleared up because that alone might give room for LE...
also, I'm not sure nana-nana-booboo is an appropriate word to use when someone is simply telling you that they don't remember someone and the safety of their clients and themselves comes first...
You also wrote this...
"This issue is that providers must respond, one way or another."
I did respond...I don't know was the answer and I am not willing to speak over the phone..as I pointed out to you...I think that would encourage women to give okays just for the membership, and for that reason I wanted to be removed...you can run your business any way you like, I just don't want to be part of it if there is an incentive for a free membership...
I CAN BE WRONG ABOUT THE SERVICE A HUNDRED TIMES AND NO ONE GETS HURT...BUT IT ONLY TAKES ONE TIME FOR A WOMAN TO ANSWER TO KEEP A FREE ACCOUNT AND IT BE THE WRONG TIME, AND A GIRL DIES...UNFORTUNATELY THIS DOES HAPPEN DAILY AND DENIAL WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY.
I simply didn't want to be the cause for that and I surely wasn't going to lie...I wish you the best and I in no way was trying to put your site down, I just wanted answers as I found the email telling me to call someone named Eric to be a bit off base...
- GinaXXX
- 09-26-2011, 03:59 PM
I got this info on the site location, which could be flawed, it is the internet atMy site is Preferred411.com, the site you looked up is 411preferred.com (not my site). If you look up the correct info, you'll see the correct info.
http://www.who.is/whois/411preferred.com/
http://www.whois.net/whois/411preferred.com
Anyway, feel free to continue your tirade.... since we've done you such grievous harm, and all. And yes, those were my eyes rolling, "crazy unprofessional" or not, I'm just human and I found it silly that you thought bringing up your (lessor) years in the industry would somehow give you the right to lecture me about how to run my business.
So double nana-nana-booboo... I think you are taking life WAY too seriously.
All the best,
Gina
- Naomi4u
- 09-26-2011, 05:29 PM
OMg wow. Truly sad 
I've been using P411 for two years now and I love the service. Never had a problem. That is all.
I've been using P411 for two years now and I love the service. Never had a problem. That is all.
- Tracey P
- 09-26-2011, 05:42 PM
Lol! I can't imagine who could possibly have problems with Gina or P411. She runs a tight ship and provides a valuable service for clients and providers (at no cost to us.)
- pipefitter73
- 09-26-2011, 07:24 PM
p411 has been great for me too, especially when I'm out of town.
I've been using P411 for two years now and I love the service. Never had a problem. Originally Posted by Naomi4u
- Guest032716
- 09-26-2011, 07:56 PM
I know of one well known provider that had an issue, but it only related to the yes or no of an OK. She felt like if a guy was a jerk, rude, unclean or whatever that she should not be required to give him an ok, just because he showed up with the donation.
From what Gina states above though it sounds like an ok could be denied, just as with date check, as long as a reason is given for the denial.
As for me - I think the site is great and an invaluable tool.
From what Gina states above though it sounds like an ok could be denied, just as with date check, as long as a reason is given for the denial.
As for me - I think the site is great and an invaluable tool.
- GinaXXX
- 09-26-2011, 08:20 PM
From what Gina states above though it sounds like an ok could be denied, just as with date check, as long as a reason is given for the denial.Absolutely an Okay can be denied.... we just want a response and a reason so we can keep an eye on issues that can (and do!) crop up.
I think her problem is more that I don't find providers who like to play games with their Okays to be amusing (the ones who like to bitch us out about their account being shut down for non-response, or those who can NEVER remember any of the clients, or those who throw a hissy fit because we dared to suggest they contact the client for more info to spark their memory), and I have no problem showing them the door.
Life is too short... and there are thousands of providers who understand that P411 isn't perfect, but it's a pretty damn good tool that takes a little bit of effort and participation.
Thanks to all of you who DO participate in the network, and do it with a smile. We know who you are.
Always,
Gina
- jaydalee
- 09-26-2011, 08:38 PM
I have never had an issue with P411 they are great and it really helps out the ladies as well as the gents.I am all for something that makes life more easier so I can concentrate on providing a mind-blowing time to the gents I see.
- simpleton
- 09-26-2011, 08:48 PM
I don't want to start anything but why after a year is a dude trying to get an ok? I wouldn't expect someone to remember something from a year ago. Is there a length of time for a dude to ask for an ok?