Epic City in Texas

Lets open this can of worms that will surely divide the left.

Near Dallas Texas, a Muslim organization has purchased 400 acres to build a Muslim city adhering to Sharia law. The centerpiece is a large mosque. There will be shops, businesses, and apartments. The US Constitution and local law will be required to take a back seat to Islam.

This is more than just Islam, this is an Islamist beach head. Not just religion but a political and cultural way of life. We have seen this in Europe already. No-go zones where non Muslims are in danger for being there. This voluntary segregation is an anathema to American values.

Benjamin Franklin said our constitution was not a suicide pact. In other words, during desperate times the president can expand presidential powers with the expectation that the expansion will be reduced after the crisis.

The people of Texas are on the spot. The progressive left will attack based on their dislike for this country. They don't care who they defend as long as it is against Trump and prevents the right from getting a win.

The first amendment promises freedom of religion and association. This isn't just Islam but Islamist which promises to destroy other religions in favor of Islam. Islam means submission. This is also a double edged sword; can they prevent someone from living here based on religious choice? Will they punish someone for "speaking their truth" on the street? Will Dallas carefully monitor the youth and be prepared to crack down when they get out of line as youths do. Will the inhabitants be US citizens or will they concentrate foreign nationals here?

This is the first. Success means more in other parts of the country. Think of it like a modern day native American reservation. Commit a crime and duck inside for protection.

Will gay and trans gender people be allowed?

For the OP - Compare and Contrast your opening statement to the Branch Davidians.

For the OP - Compare and Contrast your opening statement to the Branch Davidians. Originally Posted by biomed1

Religious fanatics are present in all faiths.

As long as their practices do not violate State or Federal laws, they are free to practice their faith as they please.

Religious fanatics are present in all faiths.

As long as their practices do not violate State or Federal laws, they are free to practice their faith as they please. Originally Posted by Jacky S

Agree, Jacky. 100%

Unfortunately, the OP indicates a belief that only certain people (or groups of them) are entitled to their rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

That belief, at its very core, flies in the face of the principles on which this country was founded. Unprovoked discrimination against any single ethnic or religious group is simply unAmerican.

So what's it gonna be? Constitution or no Constitution?

Can't have it both ways.

They should have picked a place in some secluded BFE area in East or West Texas. There would be less resistance if they did so for them. That town is not going to come to fruition that close to Dallas.

Many things that are allowed and supported in Shariah law is against the law in this country. Can't mention a few things due to board guidelines but you can't have a town that allows honor killings and give them free reign to do such lawless acts that they defend due to their religious beliefs that are interpreted as they see fit. That goes for all religions IMO whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or whatever. If it is against the law, go to a country where it is not. Don't do that radical religious unlawful shit here and hide behind your faith as a defense... just my simple opinion about this matter.

Also agree..

They should have picked a place in some secluded BFE area in East or West Texas. There would be less resistance if they did so for them. That town is not going to come to fruition that close to Dallas.

Many things that are allowed and supported in Shariah law is against the law in this country. Can't mention a few things due to board guidelines but you can't have a town that allows honor killings and give them free reign to do such lawless acts that they defend due to their religious beliefs that are interpreted as they see fit. That goes for all religions IMO whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or whatever. If it is against the law, go to a country where it is not. Don't do that radical religious unlawful shit here and hide behind your faith as a defense... just my simple opinion about this matter. Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

But is that what they’re saying or doing or just what the christian conservatives in the Texas Government are saying they are doing.

Is the situation really any different than Orthodox Judaism in some of the New York enclaves? They live with their own beliefs, schools, and laws in the midst of one of the densest cities in America.

The Branch Davidson's had a compound with a few buildings on site. Epic City is 400 acres. We have examples from France, Norway, and Germany with what will happen.

People from Waco could visit the compound. The BDs did not claim some extra legal authority over state law.

I'm surprised that Biomed did not mention the City of Elohim in Oklahoma.

Has anyone here been to a Muslim country besides me? Do you want them slaughtering animals in the streets to celebrate some holiday?

Hey! You've got the start of cancer. We'll wait until it metastasizes before we do anything.

Religious fanatics are present in all faiths.

As long as their practices do not violate State or Federal laws, they are free to practice their faith as they please. Originally Posted by Jacky S

Hey! You've got the start of cancer. We'll wait until it metastasizes before we do anything. Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

25 percent of the world’s population is muslim. If being muslim is cancer it’s already metastasized.

I hate to agree with Jacky about pretty much anything but religion is protected by the first amendment. The government shouldn’t be allowed to dictate what they believe or prohibit their ability to congregate.

yup, agree with Jacky et al.

if this group follows U.S., state and local laws, what they preach in their mosques is their business.

what happened to the Branch Davidians was awful, but I believe the feds had probable cause to conduct a search for weapons not permitted under federal law at the time of the raid, although i would add that the manner of the ATF raid was horrific.

Every ten years or so, some misguided goober decides that he is a "sovereign citizen", or something similar, and that his piece of America is an independent country. The main operating principle is rejecting the authority of government. They create a postage stamp and passport, then set up a court etc.

The federal three-letter law enforcement folks always roust 'em and close it down.

Our son has his family in a nice home in a gated community. The HOA there has no problem with welcoming in the local police the USPS folks or any other representative of the garment.

We have Jewish friends who observe the practices of their faith but have no problem with the duly appointed minion of civil authority.

Doesn't matter who you are, we fought a Civil War over the issue of (among other things) the union of American society under the Constitution.

Recognition and acceptance of federal, State and local civil authority is a central part of that concept of Union.

For the OP - Compare and Contrast your opening statement to the Branch Davidians. Originally Posted by biomed1

Technically, not mine to speculate on the main difference being: The Branch Davidians were ended by the Federal government, where this one will be ended by Texas, ideally, before it even begins.

But is that what they’re saying or doing or just what the christian conservatives in the Texas Government are saying they are doing.

Is the situation really any different than Orthodox Judaism in some of the New York enclaves? They live with their own beliefs, schools, and laws in the midst of one of the densest cities in America. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

That is a very fair and good question but no sect of the religion of Judaism to my knowledge has shown such radical and evil unprovoked acts so frequently towards mankind as cowards who hide behind their Muslim faith have in history (obviously I am not talking about all Muslims, just the radical nut jobs and sadly they have many).

We don't end up fighting wars in Jewish occupied countries; therefore, rightfully or wrongfully so, Muslims are simply not going to be given the benefit of the doubt in the USA when they want to just have their own area/enclave to police themselves according to their interpretation of Sharia law near a major city like here in Dallas.

This is supposed to be a planned residential community. Not a new city.
Even if there's a new mosque, it's the planned community thing that's the issue, not a mosque.

That said, any "Homeowners Association" rules that conflict with any federal, state or county laws, would be unenforceable and void once it goes to court.

In that the Texas Governor and the Attorney General are against it, the chances of this "planned community" being approved by the local county are a longshot.

This is different than the Davidians, who simply occupied a ranch. The outfit in the news is trying to setup an "approved" planned development community.

Regardless, any federal, state, county or local laws get broken, in comes the applicable authority, as happened with the Davidians.

Btw, apparently, the local mosque is conducting funeral body preparation without applicable licenses and a cease and desist order on that has been issued by the state board that handles that activity with a referral to the county prosecutor.

Ignoring that the developers appear to have "good" intentions, as the developers appear to be collecting deposits for house sites, the concept of fraud/Ponzi schemes does comes to mind. However, I simply see future bankruptcy of the developer.

As a closing comment, local water/sewer district, roads district, fire district, other muni districts, as well as whatever power and gas companies that service the area would also have to individually approve, before the county even considers an application.