Political Battle

... G'day Stumpers,

While you lads been prancing and dancing 'round a bit,
me-own political "Insiders" been right there - making sense
of the Trump/Musk political "battle"...

... Heard from a fellow today with standing on the issue,
a bloke named Errol Musk. ... And the interesting thing
is that Mr. Musk actually said that He surely expects
Trump to prevail here, and the whole issue will play out
and be over soon. ... Mr. Musk feels Trump is right
about things more than his-own son is.

... So, we'll just have to wait and see.

##### Salty

Nonsense. Musk is smart enough to know that Trump has more power in this test of wills.


Is Musk wrong that he was allegedly trying to reduce government spending and Trump fucked him over by supporting the big bloated deficit bill?

Dumpster has succumbed to the swamp he said he was going to drain.

My sources say he doesn't understand his power and is being controlled.

No battle at all.

I'm surprised it took this long for those two to get on each others case.

Egos collide. Both "billionaires"; unfortunately the dumber one has more power and doesn't know it.

Yeah, well me insider, a bloke named Jovan Musk, says Errol's information stinks to high heaven, Salty.

Musk is an easily manipulated addict.

Salty gonna get salty about the graphics?

Nonsense. Musk is smart enough to know that Trump has more power in this test of wills.


Is Musk wrong that he was allegedly trying to reduce government spending and Trump fucked him over by supporting the big bloated deficit bill? Originally Posted by Brot

... No, Musk is correct in wanting to see LESS spending.
As he and DOGE surely found a lot of savings by cutting waste.

But, the truth of the matter is that Elon Musk went all
arse-over-tit at the cutting of EV credits.
THAT was Musk's concern - more than the spending.

... We'll see IF Elon Musk understands that Trump
has the power in the barney. ... As I mentioned, even
Elon's own father has told him so.

... And it's NOT a big bloated spending bill - but one
that reduces TAXES and will help continue America on
the right track after Biden's destruction and ruin.

So, The Trump/Musk political battle is in PASSING the bill.

#### Salty

... No, Musk is correct in wanting to see LESS spending.
As he and DOGE surely found a lot of savings by cutting waste.

But, the truth of the matter is that Elon Musk went all
arse-over-tit at the cutting of EV credits.
THAT was Musk's concern - more than the spending.

... We'll see IF Elon Musk understands that Trump
has the power in the barney. ... As I mentioned, even
Elon's own father has told him so.

... And it's NOT a big bloated spending bill - but one
that reduces TAXES and will help continue America on
the right track after Biden's destruction and ruin.

So, The Trump/Musk political battle is in PASSING the bill.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

According to insiders, the EV credits didn't have anything to do with it Salty. As you know, the Big Beautiful Bill played a part. Trump axing Musk's pick, Jared Isaacman, as head of NASA maybe was a bigger issue. Excerpts from a NYT article today,

President Trump was peeved.

Just minutes before he walked into the Oval Office for a televised send-off for Elon Musk last week, an aide had handed him a file.

The papers showed that Mr. Trump’s nominee to run NASA — a close associate of Mr. Musk’s — had donated to prominent Democrats in recent years, including some who Mr. Trump was learning about for the first time.

The president set his outrage aside and mustered through a cordial public farewell. But as soon as the cameras left the Oval Office, the president confronted Mr. Musk. He started to read some of the donations out loud, shaking his head.

This was not good, the president said...

For Mr. Musk, there were few positions across the thousands in the federal government that mattered more to him than the head of NASA, because of its critical importance to SpaceX, his rocket business. So it was of great personal benefit to Mr. Musk when Mr. Trump chose Mr. Isaacman, who has flown to space twice with SpaceX, to oversee the agency...

(Before his going away ceremony) Mr. Musk barely mounted a defense of his friend. He was anxious about doing so with other people around, including Sergio Gor, the director of the presidential personnel office, who had clashed with Mr. Musk over other staffing matters. Mr. Musk believed that he would be able to talk to the president at some point after the gathering, privately.

But Mr. Musk never got a chance to make his case.

In the hours after the Oval Office farewell, Mr. Trump decided he would withdraw Mr. Isaacman from consideration. Mr. Musk was stunned by how fast it all happened.

...After spending a day in Montana, he (Musk) turned his attention in earnest to assailing the top domestic priority of Mr. Trump: the Republican bill making its way through Congress that would slash taxes and steer more money to the military and immigration enforcement.

Privately and publicly, Mr. Musk stewed over the (Big Beautiful) bill, believing that its spending would erase the supposed savings of his Department of Government Efficiency and add to the federal deficit.

Mike Johnson tried to assuage Elon's concerns about the bill, the huge deficit that would go with it in particular. However,

On Monday evening, Mr. Musk still had concerns. He hinted at them on X, reposting a chart apparently showing the yearly increase in the national debt.

“Scary,” Mr. Musk wrote as a caption.

Mr. Trump did not respond to Mr. Musk’s criticisms of the bill and maintained a light public schedule.

The Trump-Musk alliance fully ruptured on Thursday, six days after the two men put on a collegial display in the Oval Office.

Mr. Musk, who had largely focused his attacks on Republicans in Congress, had started directing more ire at the president himself.

So when Mr. Trump was asked about Mr. Musk’s comments during a meeting with Friedrich Merz, the new German chancellor, the president finally let loose. He said he was “disappointed” in Mr. Musk, downplayed the billionaire’s financial support for his presidential campaign and posited that Mr. Musk developed “Trump derangement syndrome” after leaving the White House.

Mr. Musk fired back in real time. Using X, his social media platform, he unleashed a torrent of attacks...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/06/u...plit-nasa.html

And the rest is history.

You could argue that Musk wanted his man at NASA for economic reasons, given his ownership of SpaceX. But I think his meltdown occurred because of ideology, because of deeply held beliefs about what's best for Americans and for mankind. And of course because he was probably doing something we can't discuss here.

Musk believes the future of mankind lies in space. And he believes continued large deficits will irreversibly hurt our prosperity as individuals and our strength as a nation. I'm not sure about his first point, but sure agree with the second.

President Trump is a politician. Elon Musk is an American Hero. I hope the bastards don't deport him. If left up to Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and J.D. Vance, he'd probably be history. But I don't think Trump will let that happen.

And a parting thought, about your comments on the bill. Rand Paul says we should cut 6% from EVERYTHING. If we did that we'd have a manageable deficit and we'd be able to extend a lot of the tax cuts. I sure wish the rest of Congress believed like he does.

You sure give those rascals a lot of credit for knowing/doing right from wrong, Tiny.

AOC replied with three words when asked to comment on this towel snapping contest: “Girls are fighting.”

Don’t overthink this. It’s a bitch slap fight featuring two of the least serious bitches on the planet.

According to insiders, the EV credits didn't have anything to do with it Salty. As you know, the Big Beautiful Bill played a part. Trump axing Musk's pick, Jared Isaacman, as head of NASA maybe was a bigger issue. Excerpts from a NYT article today,

President Trump was peeved.

Just minutes before he walked into the Oval Office for a televised send-off for Elon Musk last week, an aide had handed him a file.

The papers showed that Mr. Trump’s nominee to run NASA — a close associate of Mr. Musk’s — had donated to prominent Democrats in recent years, including some who Mr. Trump was learning about for the first time.

The president set his outrage aside and mustered through a cordial public farewell. But as soon as the cameras left the Oval Office, the president confronted Mr. Musk. He started to read some of the donations out loud, shaking his head.

This was not good, the president said...

For Mr. Musk, there were few positions across the thousands in the federal government that mattered more to him than the head of NASA, because of its critical importance to SpaceX, his rocket business. So it was of great personal benefit to Mr. Musk when Mr. Trump chose Mr. Isaacman, who has flown to space twice with SpaceX, to oversee the agency...

(Before his going away ceremony) Mr. Musk barely mounted a defense of his friend. He was anxious about doing so with other people around, including Sergio Gor, the director of the presidential personnel office, who had clashed with Mr. Musk over other staffing matters. Mr. Musk believed that he would be able to talk to the president at some point after the gathering, privately.

But Mr. Musk never got a chance to make his case.

In the hours after the Oval Office farewell, Mr. Trump decided he would withdraw Mr. Isaacman from consideration. Mr. Musk was stunned by how fast it all happened.

...After spending a day in Montana, he (Musk) turned his attention in earnest to assailing the top domestic priority of Mr. Trump: the Republican bill making its way through Congress that would slash taxes and steer more money to the military and immigration enforcement.

Privately and publicly, Mr. Musk stewed over the (Big Beautiful) bill, believing that its spending would erase the supposed savings of his Department of Government Efficiency and add to the federal deficit.

Mike Johnson tried to assuage Elon's concerns about the bill, the huge deficit that would go with it in particular. However,

On Monday evening, Mr. Musk still had concerns. He hinted at them on X, reposting a chart apparently showing the yearly increase in the national debt.

“Scary,” Mr. Musk wrote as a caption.

Mr. Trump did not respond to Mr. Musk’s criticisms of the bill and maintained a light public schedule.

The Trump-Musk alliance fully ruptured on Thursday, six days after the two men put on a collegial display in the Oval Office.

Mr. Musk, who had largely focused his attacks on Republicans in Congress, had started directing more ire at the president himself.

So when Mr. Trump was asked about Mr. Musk’s comments during a meeting with Friedrich Merz, the new German chancellor, the president finally let loose. He said he was “disappointed” in Mr. Musk, downplayed the billionaire’s financial support for his presidential campaign and posited that Mr. Musk developed “Trump derangement syndrome” after leaving the White House.

Mr. Musk fired back in real time. Using X, his social media platform, he unleashed a torrent of attacks...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/06/u...plit-nasa.html

And the rest is history.

You could argue that Musk wanted his man at NASA for economic reasons, given his ownership of SpaceX. But I think his meltdown occurred because of ideology, because of deeply held beliefs about what's best for Americans and for mankind. And of course because he was probably doing something we can't discuss here.

Musk believes the future of mankind lies in space. And he believes continued large deficits will irreversibly hurt our prosperity as individuals and our strength as a nation. I'm not sure about his first point, but sure agree with the second.

President Trump is a politician. Elon Musk is an American Hero. I hope the bastards don't deport him. If left up to Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and J.D. Vance, he'd probably be history. But I don't think Trump will let that happen.

And a parting thought, about your comments on the bill. Rand Paul says we should cut 6% from EVERYTHING. If we did that we'd have a manageable deficit and we'd be able to extend a lot of the tax cuts. I sure wish the rest of Congress believed like he does. Originally Posted by Tiny

... First off, Tiny - I don't considour the NY Times
as being "insiders"... And secondly, I heard Elon's FATHER
explain the situation. ... So, I'll surely believe Errol's
version over The Times.

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... Hey Yssup - is THAT true about what AOC said?
She actually said "Girls are fighting." when asked about it??

Oh, I surely HOPE that was her responce! ... ..

Thanks for letting me know...

#### Salty

I think Tiny is correct on the theory here.

As I see it Trump is concerned about political and personal loyalty above all other considerations. So when a recommended political appointee from Elon Musk turned out to have donated to democratic candidates Trump saw it as a betrayal.

Elon Musk on the other hand felt that his own donations to the Trump campaign and its political members should have given him and his interests more importance.

But in my opinion this is nothing more than an illustration of the corruption and incompetence inherent in a system that precludes competency in favor of political loyalty and cronyism.

Would Elon Musk really be so angry if he didn’t feel like he was getting cheated out of the benefits he expected from his own campaign contributions?

But Salty has inside information. Surely he’s correct. He spoke with Musk I’m sure.

I think Tiny is correct on the theory here.

As I see it Trump is concerned about political and personal loyalty above all other considerations. So when a recommended political appointee from Elon Musk turned out to have donated to democratic candidates Trump saw it as a betrayal.

Elon Musk on the other hand felt that his own donations to the Trump campaign and its political members should have given him and his interests more importance.

But in my opinion this is nothing more than an illustration of the corruption and incompetence inherent in a system that precludes competency in favor of political loyalty and cronyism.

Would Elon Musk really be so angry if he didn’t feel like he was getting cheated out of the benefits he expected from his own campaign contributions? Originally Posted by txdot-guy

... A VERY good piece there, mate.

But, maybe we're ALL wrong on things - as none of us really
knows what Elon Musk's true feelings and motivations are.

Maybe he was blue because of what happened with the
budget bill - or maybe something else.

... I've never spoken to Elon Musk - but his-own father
surely believes that he over-reacted with his Trump comments.

... As I mentioned, let's see what happens this week.

#### Salty

His-own? Not somebody-else’s?

Come on man.

Musk probably doesn’t know his-own intention because Staff Edit - Biomed1, which didn’t seem to bother Trumpler at the time, because his royal dipshittedness doesn’t know what day it is until people tell him. You know, people…