Opinion - A German court may have just shattered one of the Biden era’s biggest lies

does anyone really think Russia destroyed their own pipeline??


Opinion - A German court may have just shattered one of the Biden era’s biggest lies

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/...153000813.html


Jonathan Turley, opinion contributor
Sat, November 29, 2025 at 9:30 AM CST


It is often said that “the first casualty when war comes is truth.” A criminal warrant just issued in Germany shows that war continues to claim its victims. However, this warrant could prove to be as great an indictment not just of the government of Volodymyr Zelensky, but also of former President Joe Biden.


This week, a German court issued an arrest warrant for Ukrainian Serhii Kuznietsov, which may finally confirm what was long suspected: that Ukraine was responsible for the 2022 sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines in the waters near Denmark and Sweden.


The Biden administration may have been given prior warning. It was allegedly told years ago by a Ukrainian whistleblower that a six-person team of Ukrainian special forces was planning to rent a boat, dive to the sea floor and blow up the Nord Stream project. The operation was reportedly led by Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces.


Nevertheless, after the attack, the Biden administration and many in the media fueled speculation that Russia had destroyed its own pipeline, despite evidence and logic to the contrary. It was another convenient claim of a Russian false-flag operation that allowed the Biden administration to ignore the possibility that Ukraine had not only engaged in environmental crimes but had also knowingly lied to its allies.


For years, some of us have questioned the official account from the Biden administration about the available evidence of those responsible.


The suggestion of a Russian attack on a Russian pipeline never seemed logical. However, the administration was funneling billions in support for Ukraine, funding that has now exceeds an estimated $180 billion. Having Ukraine sabotage pipelines to our allies would hardly be opportune when many were questioning the costs to U.S. citizens.


The Biden administration was not alone in running interference for Ukraine, as Zelensky denied responsibility despite mounting evidence to the contrary. When another alleged Ukrainian saboteur was found in Poland, a Polish court blocked the extradition to Germany and ordered his release. The reason? The judge did base the decision on Ukrainian denials. Instead, he declared that the act had been committed in the name of a just war. (Poland remains the frontline against Russian aggression in Europe).


An Italian court did not engage in such rationalization. It ordered the extradition of Kuznietsov, believed to be a key figure in the conspiracy. The attack involved leasing a yacht in the German port of Rostock, using forged IDs and a screen of intermediaries. Kuznietsov insists that he was an army captain serving in Ukraine at the time.


If the investigators are correct, it was not just the Ukrainian government that was lying to us. Biden was also presumably informed by the intelligence agencies of this evidence. Yet Biden kept suggesting anyway that the Russians were covering up the truth. He told the public, “The Russians are pumping out disinformation and lies. We will work with our allies to get to the bottom [of) precisely what happened] Just don’t listen to what Putin’s saying. What he’s saying we know is not true.”


Ironically, even if we were told about this evidence, the public might still have supported the commitment to Ukraine. After all, Ukraine is the victim of a horrendous invasion that has involved repeated charges of war crimes against the Russian forces. However, the public has a legitimate expectation that a country that is receiving billions in support will not engage in environmental attacks on our allies. These pipelines were in the economic zone of two NATO countries.


As the Germans work to find the truth, the question is whether the American public will ever be given transparency on our own government’s complicity or knowledge. The public was asked to pump billions into a war while the administration allegedly covered up an attack by Ukraine on a Western pipeline — and then may have misled the public.


The public also has a right to know if the CIA was told in advance that this attack was coming and either gave tacit approval or said nothing to our allies.


While Johnson is often quoted on his 1929 line about truth in war, the line following was equally poignant: “this mode of propaganda whereby … people become war hungry in their patriotism and are lied into a desire to fight. We have seen it in the past; it will happen again in the future.”


It may have happened in the U.S., and truth was not the only casualty. The American people were treated as chumps who could not handle the truth.


Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of the best-selling book “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”

Clearly not Biden. He couldn't find his box of diapers.
Seems like a Brennan and Clapper gig.

Clearly not Biden. He couldn't find his box of diapers.
Seems like a Brennan and Clapper gig. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

But you think Trump can find his? From what I know, he doesn't even realize when he shits himself anymore.

Of Guideline # 6 . . .

#6 - Respect the topics presented by those who start a thread. Attempts to derail a thread or change it's direction is referred to as thread hijack and will be discouraged. Attempts to guide a thread in the right direction are appreciated, while responses to posts which hijack a thread are not.

does anyone really think Russia destroyed their own pipeline??


Opinion - A German court may have just shattered one of the Biden era’s biggest lies

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/...153000813.html


Jonathan Turley, opinion contributor
Sat, November 29, 2025 at 9:30 AM CST


It is often said that “the first casualty when war comes is truth.” A criminal warrant just issued in Germany shows that war continues to claim its victims. However, this warrant could prove to be as great an indictment not just of the government of Volodymyr Zelensky, but also of former President Joe Biden.


This week, a German court issued an arrest warrant for Ukrainian Serhii Kuznietsov, which may finally confirm what was long suspected: that Ukraine was responsible for the 2022 sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines in the waters near Denmark and Sweden.


The Biden administration may have been given prior warning. It was allegedly told years ago by a Ukrainian whistleblower that a six-person team of Ukrainian special forces was planning to rent a boat, dive to the sea floor and blow up the Nord Stream project. The operation was reportedly led by Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces.


Nevertheless, after the attack, the Biden administration and many in the media fueled speculation that Russia had destroyed its own pipeline, despite evidence and logic to the contrary. It was another convenient claim of a Russian false-flag operation that allowed the Biden administration to ignore the possibility that Ukraine had not only engaged in environmental crimes but had also knowingly lied to its allies.


For years, some of us have questioned the official account from the Biden administration about the available evidence of those responsible.


The suggestion of a Russian attack on a Russian pipeline never seemed logical. However, the administration was funneling billions in support for Ukraine, funding that has now exceeds an estimated $180 billion. Having Ukraine sabotage pipelines to our allies would hardly be opportune when many were questioning the costs to U.S. citizens.


The Biden administration was not alone in running interference for Ukraine, as Zelensky denied responsibility despite mounting evidence to the contrary. When another alleged Ukrainian saboteur was found in Poland, a Polish court blocked the extradition to Germany and ordered his release. The reason? The judge did base the decision on Ukrainian denials. Instead, he declared that the act had been committed in the name of a just war. (Poland remains the frontline against Russian aggression in Europe).


An Italian court did not engage in such rationalization. It ordered the extradition of Kuznietsov, believed to be a key figure in the conspiracy. The attack involved leasing a yacht in the German port of Rostock, using forged IDs and a screen of intermediaries. Kuznietsov insists that he was an army captain serving in Ukraine at the time.


If the investigators are correct, it was not just the Ukrainian government that was lying to us. Biden was also presumably informed by the intelligence agencies of this evidence. Yet Biden kept suggesting anyway that the Russians were covering up the truth. He told the public, “The Russians are pumping out disinformation and lies. We will work with our allies to get to the bottom [of) precisely what happened] Just don’t listen to what Putin’s saying. What he’s saying we know is not true.”


Ironically, even if we were told about this evidence, the public might still have supported the commitment to Ukraine. After all, Ukraine is the victim of a horrendous invasion that has involved repeated charges of war crimes against the Russian forces. However, the public has a legitimate expectation that a country that is receiving billions in support will not engage in environmental attacks on our allies. These pipelines were in the economic zone of two NATO countries.


As the Germans work to find the truth, the question is whether the American public will ever be given transparency on our own government’s complicity or knowledge. The public was asked to pump billions into a war while the administration allegedly covered up an attack by Ukraine on a Western pipeline — and then may have misled the public.


The public also has a right to know if the CIA was told in advance that this attack was coming and either gave tacit approval or said nothing to our allies.


While Johnson is often quoted on his 1929 line about truth in war, the line following was equally poignant: “this mode of propaganda whereby … people become war hungry in their patriotism and are lied into a desire to fight. We have seen it in the past; it will happen again in the future.”


It may have happened in the U.S., and truth was not the only casualty. The American people were treated as chumps who could not handle the truth.


Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of the best-selling book “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.” Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

That was hilarious, the idea that Russia destroyed its own pipeline. It's amazing people fell for it. There's a dumb ass born every minute.

That was hilarious, the idea that Russia destroyed its own pipeline. It's amazing people fell for it. There's a dumb ass born every minute. Originally Posted by Tiny

of course it is. and guess who pushed such a narrative? Biden.



The Nord Stream pipelines were destroyed in a 2022 sabotage incident; President Biden has accused Russia of being behind the act and has stated his administration is investigating with allies. Reports have also emerged suggesting a pro-Ukrainian group, possibly with ties to Ukrainian intelligence, was involved. While President Biden previously pledged to end the Nord Stream 2 project if Russia invaded Ukraine and waived sanctions on its parent company, these are separate issues from the pipeline's destruction, notes the YouTube video.

• Accusations and investigations: President Biden has stated the damage was deliberate and has pointed to Russia as the culprit. The U.S. is working with allies to investigate the cause.
• Pro-Ukrainian involvement?: Reports from The Guardian have cited intelligence suggesting a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack, with the administration being aware of the plan.
• Other alleged involvement: Al Jazeera mentions a report alleging U.S. military involvement, a claim the U.S. government has not confirmed and has been met with a call for an explanation from Russia.
• Past actions: Before the destruction, President Biden had waived sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 project and the company involved, a move welcomed by Germany but criticized by Ukraine, notes BBC. He also publicly stated he would end the project if Russia invaded Ukraine.
• Current status: In September 2022, underwater explosions damaged the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, causing gas leaks in international waters. Both pipelines are now inoperable.

Telling words here:

“Biden administration may have been given…”. Key word MAY

“Opinion” WSJ headline indicating another RWW take, for which it is famous.

Rage on, MAGAs. Argue the “opinion” and the”may” of it all.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was hilarious, the idea that Russia destroyed its own pipeline. It's amazing people fell for it. There's a dumb ass born every minute. Originally Posted by Tiny

Who fell for it?

Telling words here:

“Biden administration may have been given…”. Key word MAY

“Opinion” WSJ headline indicating another RWW take, for which it is famous.

Rage on, MAGAs. Argue the “opinion” and the”may” of it all.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

This entire thread is a giant pant load. No proof of anything just a lot of partisan speculation. If the CIA had knowledge of Ukrainian involvement at the time and Biden was informed of it then surely Trump or one of his cronies would have leaked it already.

This entire thread is a giant pant load. No proof of anything just a lot of partisan speculation. If the CIA had knowledge of Ukrainian involvement at the time and Biden was informed of it then surely Trump or one of his cronies would have leaked it already. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

it doesn't matter if the CIA had any intel. but that didn't stop Biden from blaming Russia did it?

does it make any sense Russia would destroy their own pipeline? No.

it makes far more sense Ukraine was behind it and possibly with US assistance.

it makes far more sense Ukraine was behind it and possibly with US assistance. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

It's far more likely it was a US led attack. The pipe was attacked at 75-80 meters... To dive to those depths requires specialized technology and training. Its not impossible for Ukraine... but unlikely.

Occams razor says it was the US.. or the UK... but certainly the US had knowledge of the attack beforehand.

it doesn't matter if the CIA had any intel. but that didn't stop Biden from blaming Russia did it?

does it make any sense Russia would destroy their own pipeline? No.

it makes far more sense Ukraine was behind it and possibly with US assistance. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

If you say so.

Bahhahhaaa