Excluding Providers from Your "To See" List

I'm going to Houston soon, and was doing research for the purpose of lining up hobby dates. I started realizing that I was excluding ladies (some well reviewed) based on certain things I read in the research. This caused me to wonder: WHAT CAUSES YOU TO EXCLUDE LADIES?

Here is my list:

1. Even one NCNS strikes her off my list.
2. Failure to do BBBJs strikes her off my list (IMHO this is integral part of GFE).
3. Failure to do DATY strikes her off my list (also GFE activity).
4. Failure to do outcalls strikes her off my list (personal preference).

There might be others, but these are the main ones.

How about the way the conduct themselves on the board?

I suspect you just rang what we call the "crazy bell" in the hobby with this thread title, so I am sure you will shortly see what I am talking about as several "ladies" show up to cuss you out and tell you how "your list don't matter 'cause they wouldn't f*ck you if you had a thousand dollar bill taped to your forehead" or some other vulgar retort.

Even one NCNS strikes her off my list.

1. Failure to do BBBJs strikes her off my list (IMHO this is integral part of GFE).
2. Failure to do DATY strikes her off my list (also GFE activity).
3. Failure to do outcalls strikes her off my list (personal preference).

There might be others, but these are the main ones. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

That's a pretty good list. I may give her a try even with a NCNS. And I may do incall the first visit, however, quite often I have never seen a Provider because I prefer outcall and don't really like going to incalls.

Part of each Hobbyists list would be personal preferences in the type of girl we want to see. I am partial to spinners and prefer age 20 - something Providers, so I generally cross the age 30 + Providers off my list. Right or wrong, we the Hobbyists are the customers, so we all are "shopping" based on our preferences.

Omaha2dallas, I agree that there is nothing wrong with choosing ladies based on your preferences. Some men like spinners, some men like the bigger ladies. Some men like the whitest ladies available, some like a more ethnic look. There's a huge market for every type of lady, and to each his own!


Charlestudor: Personally, I do not do BBBJ, but I am not offended at the idea that people won't come see me because of it. Your list is pretty good, but I do think that just one NCNS is perhaps a bit harsh. I have heard so many stories of miscommunications about appointment times and such that as long as she is positively well-reviewed, you should be fine.
Some ladies might get angry because of this thread because they will see it as a personal slight, but I know that just because you would not see me or some other ladies does not mean that you do not respect us. We have our personal preferences, too.
I know that this thread was not directed toward the ladies, but I hope you don't mind me adding my two cents.

Listen, you are going to Houston (with plenty of quality gals), you have the luxury of being choosy. Maybe if you were going somewhere else your list would need be shorter

I know it is semantics but I would refer to your list as "personal must haves" vs. "excluding...." -- it is less personal and doesn't imply she's doing something wrong, just not a fit for you.

@chinadoll - I consider a NCNS to be a big offense, particularly if the gent is traveling and a single NCNS can really screw up his plans. I agree there are all kinds of miscommunications or legit "shit happens" stuff (like she really did get a flat tire, etc.). That said if she is of quality/reputable she will reach out to him and explain the circumstances. Likewise if he is a reputable source (of course it goes without saying that you are only considering the word of reputable sources), if she explains the situation to his satisfaction it would never be reported as a NCNS.

Charlestudor: Personally, I do not do BBBJ, but I am not offended at the idea that people won't come see me because of it. Your list is pretty good, but I do think that just one NCNS is perhaps a bit harsh. I have heard so many stories of miscommunications about appointment times and such that as long as she is positively well-reviewed, you should be fine.
Some ladies might get angry because of this thread because they will see it as a personal slight, but I know that just because you would not see me or some other ladies does not mean that you do not respect us. We have our personal preferences, too.
I know that this thread was not directed toward the ladies, but I hope you don't mind me adding my two cents. Originally Posted by China Doll

Well, you're right, I didn't mean to take on all ladies, nor did I mean the thread as a personal slight. And I don't mind your .02, nor do I mind anyone else putting in their .02. That's what the board is for.

As to the NCNS, I would probably have agreed with you except I had an extremely bad experience with NCNS. It cost me $70, plus the time I put into going to and from the incall, plus a bunch of frustration and swearing. (My time is valuable, too.) The result is I only do outcalls now (OK, so there is an exception to every rule, but so far I haven't found one ), and have developed little tolerance for NCNS. BTW, the ladies I have read about doing NCNS also seem to have spotty reviews when it comes to TCB, on-time arrivals and basic professionalism.

In the end, I agree the "one NCNS" is harsh. But it is my personal standard based on my experience.

None of the four items you've listed would be enough for me to exclude a provider. I prefer BBBJ and like DATY but wouldn't have a problem with a provider saying no to both depending on what other good counterpoints she has. However, I would have a problem with someone advertising as GFE and then excluding BBBJ and DATY. NCNS is such a part and parcel of the hobby that it would depend on the circumstances, the reputation of the lady, how she handled it subsequently, etc. before ruling her out.

I have only one item on my list that would cause me to exclude a provider and that is psycho drama as evidenced by her postings. Or there is no drama but it is clear from her postings that we would not click regardless of how great her reputation. This is very much a YMM and often times Will Vary business/hobby.

BBBJ or no deal. No how.
NCNS I'll give her a chance.
No DATY no problem
No out cal no problem.

I prefer to put a more positive spin on it and say these are the things I am looking for in booking for the first time with a provider:

--GFE, which is a difficult to define combination of attitude and activities. But as the Supreme Court Justice (I forget which) said about porn, "I know it when I see it." The one thing that is absolutely included in this is DFK. I once had a girlfriend who didn't like to kiss. We didn't last long.

--Photos that I find attractive. There isn't a particular body type that I'm looking for, but I'm fairly selective here. Face shots help, but I understand the safety concerns of providers who don't use them.

--Positive reviews, preferably from multiple sources. I especially look for indications that the lady truly enjoys what she does and has fun with her clients.

--DATY is one of my favorite activities and if it isn't available I'm a lot less likely to book.

--BBBJ is a huge plus, but not an absolute deal-breaker.

--The option to cruise the Greek islands makes up for the lack of many of the factors listed above.

His fifth strike probably has something to do with taking a shower.

Number one strike: Smoking.
Number two strike: Too much drama (either from reviews of board presence).
Number three: Lack of reliability. Not sure one NCNS is sufficient if the lady has a very long positive history, but one NCNS without a long positive history -- she's history.
Number four: Lots of tattoos.

My personal preference no go´s are more performanced based.

1. Can she do Asian Cowgirl? Most times if she cant I have a multi hour session limited to mish and K9 variations only where Im doing all the work. Her body type isnt as important to me so long as she can do this position....spinner to BBW.

Rarely have I found BBWs, ladies over 40, and more curvier chicks who can accommodate this preference. It seems to limit me to only seeing petite to spinner sized ladies from age 18 to 33 with reviews, so it limits variety.

2. The NCNS and lateness factor in for me cause I do outcalls too. But just one wouldnt omit me from seeing her.

3. I want GFE to include BBBJ, DFK, cuddling, cfs, k9, mish, MSOG, and digits. CBJ is a deal breaker unless she is drop dead gorgeous. If she likes the taste of spermide all night who am I to limit her preference.

4. Smoking isnt so bad, but I would prefer to know beforehand so I can get a room with a balcony.

I tend to exclude the following:
1. Provider with obvious tattoos (i.e. on the breast, big "tramp stamp", distractive). I can live with discrete tattoo but not if I have to look at it while in session.
2. No reviews or limited reviews--not into TOFTT
3. No multiple shots-- MSOG is a must for me and a deal breaker
4. Lack of personal website or link to a review site in her ad (for the CL, BP and Cityvibe ads I occasionally visit).
5. No picture, old picture(s) or obvious fake picture (and yes I decide if it is fake )

No BBBJ/DATY is not a deal breaker for, but it is an indication the provider is mechanical and not into GFE. I consider this an intangible factor.

Nothing wrong with a gentleman having preferences.
Especially if he's upfront about it.

It cost me $70, plus the time I put into going to and from the incall, plus a bunch of frustration and swearing. (My time is valuable, too.) The result is I only do outcalls now (OK, so there is an exception to every rule, but so far I haven't found one ), and have developed little tolerance for NCNS.

In the end, I agree the "one NCNS" is harsh. But it is my personal standard based on my experience. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

I can see why! I've had NCNS from the client side, which is frustrating enough, but all I lost was time. You should have sent her a bill for the 70 plus time and travel expenses!