That is one thing I really love about US - justice system. 2 years for torturing animal. The rest of the added 4 years were for other things related to the crime. So total, 6 years! Perfect!
InEurope you don`t even get a prison sentence, probably a fine for damaging other people`s property (an animal is considered property by most european laws)
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http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=35014
- NinaBrooke
- 06-09-2012, 07:01 AM
- AnnelieseBell
- 08-27-2012, 10:48 PM
Thanks for sharing this. It makes me happy to know that psychopaths who think it's inconsequential to torture animals get punished for it sometimes. Although we may value human life more highly than animal life, anyone who would purposefully torture a defenseless, trusting creature has a dark soul in need of rehabilitation.
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals" - Immanuel Kant
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals" - Immanuel Kant
- str8.2.bbbj
- 08-27-2012, 11:47 PM
Right, in America a high profile institution can know that one of their staff is a fucking pedophile and raping little boys for 10 years and get a slap on the wrist.
But google "SMU Death Penality" or Michael Vick.
What the fuck?
But google "SMU Death Penality" or Michael Vick.
What the fuck?
- NinaBrooke
- 08-28-2012, 07:27 AM
Right, in America a high profile institution can know that one of their staff is a fucking pedophile and raping little boys for 10 years and get a slap on the wrist.Well, not that this is so different in Europe. Child abuse is very hard to proof. Even harder in europe. Children have to be dead, before anyone believes. In USA I thought they at least step in at suspicions?
But google "SMU Death Penality" or Michael Vick.
What the fuck? Originally Posted by str8.2.bbbj
- AnnelieseBell
- 08-29-2012, 10:43 AM
Right, in America a high profile institution can know that one of their staff is a fucking pedophile and raping little boys for 10 years and get a slap on the wrist.I have to admit that I don't understand the SMU death penalty reference. Was anyone abused? I did google it, and it seems to be about mishandling of funds. I'm sure I must be missing something.
But google "SMU Death Penality" or Michael Vick.
What the fuck? Originally Posted by str8.2.bbbj
As for your first statement, I believe you're referring to the Penn State child abuse scandal. Yes, I agree that the school officials who hid a child molester in their ranks should have been punished more severely. My understanding is that their strongest evidence could only prove that a peculiar situation was reported, but without any mention of rape or molestation, and they chose not to investigate or report it. The justice system is imperfect. Remember the OJ Simpson murder trial. Sometimes we know in our hearts a person is guilty, but the laws state that the evidence has to prove it. The university heads made a reprehensible choice every time they turned a blind eye. Apathy is an abuser's greatest ally. Of the three cases you mentioned, Jerry Sandusky has received the strongest punishment. He was brought out into the light, exposed, and sentenced to 60 years in prison. There are currently new charges against him. He will die in prison. If the rumors about imprisoned child molesters are true, he will wish to die many times before he ever does. It's difficult to imagine anything positive coming from a dismal situation like this, but if his exposure will prevent even one potential child molestation from happening, then that is a beautiful thing for some child somewhere.
I do find our stance, here in America, that child, animal, and elder abuse are heinous acts, to be a comfort. There are countries where it's accepted that animals will be abused, en masse, for the sake of convenience. There are countries that allow child molestation as commerce. Even here human error causes far too many of these crimes to go unpunished, so when I see a story about one that worked out correctly it affirms my faith that people still care.
- Dawgs
- 08-29-2012, 11:04 AM
That is one thing I really love about US - justice system. 2 years for torturing animal. The rest of the added 4 years were for other things related to the crime. So total, 6 years! Perfect!I'm not a cat person, (though I love pussy) but when some idiot does s**t like this he deserves the punishment he gets. I do love my dogs and when I hear abuse like this it tends to rile me.
InEurope you don`t even get a prison sentence, probably a fine for damaging other people`s property (an animal is considered property by most european laws)
Love Love Love it.
http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=35014 Originally Posted by ninasastri
- Tiny
- 09-11-2012, 05:10 PM
I respectfully disagree. It was a disgusting, cruel act. But 6 years, for a teenager??? Maybe 6 months and deportation would be appropriate.
The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. This is another example of how ridiculous we've become. My favorite example was three invididuals who violated an unenforced Honduran law that required lobsters for export be packaged in cardboard. They imported and sold Honduran lobsters packaged in plastic in the U.S. and were convicted and served 4 to 8 years each in American prisons. The prisons are packed with people convicted of crimes like drug possession who would do much better in rehabilitation instead of jail. The same would go for this guy, except that since he's not a U.S. citizen, why not just deport him and save the U.S. taxpayer the expense of providing room and board.
The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. This is another example of how ridiculous we've become. My favorite example was three invididuals who violated an unenforced Honduran law that required lobsters for export be packaged in cardboard. They imported and sold Honduran lobsters packaged in plastic in the U.S. and were convicted and served 4 to 8 years each in American prisons. The prisons are packed with people convicted of crimes like drug possession who would do much better in rehabilitation instead of jail. The same would go for this guy, except that since he's not a U.S. citizen, why not just deport him and save the U.S. taxpayer the expense of providing room and board.
- St. Francisco
- 09-24-2012, 01:43 AM
We can argue about the injustices of short sentences for rapists and pedophiles all day long...but I agree with harsh sentences for animal abusers. I have three dogs...and they're not pets, they're part of my family as much as anyone else. To see the things that people do to animals disgusts me.
Not to mention the fact that it's been said time and time again that abusing animals is a "gateway drug" of sorts into harming people.
Not to mention the fact that it's been said time and time again that abusing animals is a "gateway drug" of sorts into harming people.
- Cameo Knightley
- 09-24-2012, 10:37 PM
Its said that murderers of humans, start with murdering animals. By punishing them for torturing or killing an animal, may stop them from taking it further towards humans. And many murderers choose escorts as targets. Feeling they are expendable. I agree completely to punish anyone who is violent to animals. I will never understand how a person can be violent or hold hate for other beings.
- gnadfly
- 09-25-2012, 12:13 AM
The article is over a year old.
Sometimes judges look at the juvvies prior record even though they aren't supposed to and take it into account. This guy needs to be sent back to the Caribbean to wake up every morning in paradise.
Seriously about child abuse in Europe Nina? Although the US has gone overboard where you can't even spank a child in public that's ridiculous.
Sometimes judges look at the juvvies prior record even though they aren't supposed to and take it into account. This guy needs to be sent back to the Caribbean to wake up every morning in paradise.
Seriously about child abuse in Europe Nina? Although the US has gone overboard where you can't even spank a child in public that's ridiculous.
- gnadfly
- 09-25-2012, 12:16 AM
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals" - Immanuel Kant Originally Posted by AnnelieseBellMy cardiologist says you can judge a man's heart by his treatment of animals too.
- Cameo Knightley
- 09-25-2012, 12:43 AM
Here are some articles to see the link between animal abuse leading to human abuse:
http://ijo.sagepub.com/content/47/1/71.abstract
http://cats.about.com/cs/crueltyconn.../a/cruelty.htm
http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/abuse_connection.php
http://www.peta.org/issues/companion...mal-abuse.aspx
"Violent abuse linked to cruelty to animals
Violent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animal abuse. "Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives," wrote humanitarian Dr. Albert Schweitzer. And according to Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the FBI, "Murderers … very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids."
Animal abuse is not just the result of a minor personality flaw in the abuser—it is a symptom of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty toward animals rarely stop there; many of them move on to their fellow humans.
The FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appear in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers. The standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders.
A study conducted by Northeastern University and the Massachusetts SPCA found that people who abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against humans. The majority of inmates who are scheduled to be executed for murder at California's San Quentin penitentiary "practiced" their crimes on animals, according to the warden."
http://ijo.sagepub.com/content/47/1/71.abstract
http://cats.about.com/cs/crueltyconn.../a/cruelty.htm
http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/abuse_connection.php
http://www.peta.org/issues/companion...mal-abuse.aspx
"Violent abuse linked to cruelty to animals
Violent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animal abuse. "Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives," wrote humanitarian Dr. Albert Schweitzer. And according to Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the FBI, "Murderers … very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids."
Animal abuse is not just the result of a minor personality flaw in the abuser—it is a symptom of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty toward animals rarely stop there; many of them move on to their fellow humans.
The FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appear in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers. The standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders.
A study conducted by Northeastern University and the Massachusetts SPCA found that people who abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against humans. The majority of inmates who are scheduled to be executed for murder at California's San Quentin penitentiary "practiced" their crimes on animals, according to the warden."
Its said that murderers of humans, start with murdering animals. By punishing them for torturing or killing an animal, may stop them from taking it further towards humans. And many murderers choose escorts as targets. Feeling they are expendable. I agree completely to punish anyone who is violent to animals. I will never understand how a person can be violent or hold hate for other beings. Originally Posted by Cameo Knightley
- John Bull
- 09-25-2012, 03:38 PM
Could someone please tell me what a post about animal cruelty is doing in D&T?
- Cameo Knightley
- 09-25-2012, 05:53 PM
Could someone please tell me what a post about animal cruelty is doing in D&T? Originally Posted by John BullNot sure actually lol
but I found it interesting none-the-less
- John Bull
- 09-25-2012, 06:46 PM
And in the future, you'll find lot's of topics like that in the National Co-Ed Forum and we'll reserve D&T for things related to sex and beautiful women and the lustful men who chase after them.