having representation or being independent, the pros and cons.

The subject of pimps and agencies seems to be on the minds of many. I worked for a agencies in Dallas and Denver in my earlier days. When I moved here over a year and a half ago, I did some shopping and didn't find any worth my time or effort. The fees were high ($80-100) and NOT justifiable so, decided against that route.

TAE (Michael) = $80 (#1 choice however, we did not see eye to eye on a few details)
CUTE (Neko) = $100
HUSH (Marley) = $80
NAUGHTYGURLZ (Krissy) = $80
MINT (Marco the pimp) = $60
WILDFLOWERS (max) = $80ish and BBFS with max, that's right!

I also did some research in a str8 booking service like Roxanne and Little Black Book.
Both were like $40ish per call and seem great to work with especially Roxanne. A girl that booked for me in Dallas was $30 per call and was very professional, on top of her game. Only prob, she likes to stay in her own back yard. Trying to get her to book in Austin.

I decided to go the independent route instead but was met with a few challenges. Some of which were a suitable incall, scheduling my appointments when in session, being expected to return calls or txt within minutes with some gentlemen is stressful, the price hagglers, time-wasters, clients pushing for items off the menu and expecting them to be free of course since I am independent.

Overall I enjoy the fact that I get to keep 100% (well, kinda) of what I earn. I am a BIG advocate in being independent but girls, don't be so naive... Something to consider and worth noting...

I got the constant "go indy it's better for business" BS speech. A lot of naive girls fall for this and get brainwashed into accepting less than is paid at most agencies which I think is complete BS, you should be insulted. So ladies although you claim to be independent, if you are not getting the "market value", you are not exactly independent..

The clients become your pimps taking their "indy discount" ($60-100 of your money) on each call. So $300 easily becomes $220 and you are still left doing all the work: talking on the phone, scheduling, setup and cost of incalls, ect. Comes out to $180 per call at best.

Not all cases and be realistic but, there are several in Austin that are WAAAY below the market value. Ask your self this, are the agency girls really that much hotter or provide better service than you? probably not, If you are young (18-25) attractive and in good shape and are getting less than $300 then you pretty girl, are working with PIMPS!
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WOW, straight pimpin' on this board, huh? This is a exchange board, not a recruiting one. PLEASE GO AWAY!

I like how the clients are the pimps now and the pimps are just 'schedulers' and taking control of your own business is a 'BS speech'. Almost as coincidental as the one agency MissMister 'failed to contact'.

Didn't Marco and Max go at it hammer and tongs a couple of years ago?

TAE (Michael) = $80 (#1 choice however, we did not see eye to eye on a few details)
CUTE (Neko) = $100
HUSH (Marley) = $80
NAUGHTYGURLZ (Krissy) = $80
MINT (Marco the pimp) = ?? (if any one has 1st hand knowledge plz share)
WILDFLOWERS (max) = $80ish and BBFS with max, that's right
. Originally Posted by MISS1402

Really? I'm new to this and Marco (you) was #1 on this list. Don't tell me that you don't know yourself. Now, if you can provide proof to any reputable person on this board that you are not Mr. Polo, by all means.....DO IT!! If you do, everyone will apologize. But if you can't, BE GONE!

Take the time to read before posting, NO! I am not new (been a provider for over a year) to this. Although I have several reviews under my belt, I am new to eccie as of Aug 2012 and my #1 choice was Michael at TAE not Marco.

Uh huh,ever get the feeling nobody believes you?

There are some of us that care so little it doesn't make any difference.
Who has two thumbs and an couldn't care less???? ME!!! (and I suspect, several others)

my #1 choice was Michael at TAE not Marco. Originally Posted by MISS1402

Well, there you go ladies!

He even realized he sucks at this!

Maybe if we're lucky M!SS1402 can make a new thread every time "someone" says something to (him).

(*sniffle*)

Something tells me we're going to be lucky,if you can call it that?

You have some good points here MISS.

And if are indeed Marco, as everyone says, well..... you still have some good points.

If you arn't, these guys are really nutso and trying to deflect any attention you might be getting with regards to your "stop low balling providers propaganda".

I could care less if you are Marco or the like. Pardon my ignorance on why everyone hates yet incessantly talks about Marco. Regardless I like what you have to say. You say it quite well.

It's really not difficult to screen ECCIE guys. It is quite frustrating when you miss a call b/c you are already with someone.


So here is my question. Why is it expected for Agency owners to provide and incall on top of advertising dollars and the endless work? What is the ladies overhead? I suppose paying the booker but that is a given. I ask b/c it seems like having an incall for several women seems very indiscreet. Many agencies get busted that way. I provided for an agency once (literally) when I first started. It wasn't my cup of tea and as nice as the incall was I had a bad feeling every time I went there. I preferred to have my own place but that was a no go so I quit.

I ask because I used to do bookings for an agency owner back before I ever provided in the day and she had her ladies get their own place. They didn't have to worry about double bookings, too much traffic (if I were a client I would be hesitant to go to a high traffic incall), or being locked down to one location if something went awry.

If you arn't, these guys are really nutso and trying to deflect any attention you might be getting with regards to your "stop low balling providers propaganda". Originally Posted by Ebony Jasmine Love Austin

Actually it was all light fun and games until "she" started trash-talking all of Marco's former clients. I don't care what most providers charge, I usually only patronize $$$/hr ladies anyway.

And with a few exceptions (like Marley's agency, who's always treated her women well) I dislike giving business to agencies, not because they charge more but because I'd prefer the donation goes to the person doing the service. Plus the agency owners tend to get psycho and do things like make half a dozen posting accounts for no apparent reason.

I know homer did all the Internet Detective work already but if you look at Marco's last posts before he was banned and Miss1402's, not only are the posting styles the (same) but the content is nearly identical - before he flamed out on Still Looking he went on about how he was out of the agency business and just trying to help poor innocent girls make an honest living sticking up for their plucky selves against all those mean hobbyists and agency owners.

If you people really want to get rid of the trolls stop feeding them.

a) Stop responding to their threads. Even a negative response is giving them exactly what they seek. Respond to them directly and it is Your fault they continue.

b) The MAGIC button! Add them to your Eccie IGNORE list and Poof they are gone just like that. These idiots can't stand being ignored and will fade upon realizing no one is reading their threads and posts. In other words a game is no fun when you play it alone.

I can see that he posted but cannot see what he posted so am not remotely affected by it. I can however see that all of you are. I am communicating with you about him but am not responding to him.

Ebony do your research before jumping to this guy's defense. This is serious shit. He has a well known and proven history of methodically collecting private info and outing both his clients (Blatantly posting their real names, physical descriptions and numbers online) as well as outing the girls working for him who get on his shit list. He actually called the family of one girl and outed her ruining her life and causing her to quit providing. THIS is who you're defending. Really?

He is a serious danger to the hobby community and even Neko of "Cute as a Button" his long time past GF has and wants NOTHING to do with him because of his games and antics. Simply PM her if you want confirmation.
THIS is the kind of scum you're standing up for simply because you like the intellect behind his and his cronies posts.

If this type of history doesn't matter to you than so be it. Like I said putting Marco and anyone who supports his scheming on the ignore list will solve the mess around here. Those who don't ignore him clearly desire the drama and are just using him as an excuse to perpetuate it.

So here is my question. Why is it expected for Agency owners to provide and incall on top of advertising dollars and the endless work? What is the ladies overhead? I suppose paying the booker but that is a given. I ask b/c it seems like having an incall for several women seems very indiscreet. Many agencies get busted that way. I provided for an agency once (literally) when I first started. It wasn't my cup of tea and as nice as the incall was I had a bad feeling every time I went there. I preferred to have my own place but that was a no go so I quit.

I ask because I used to do bookings for an agency owner back before I ever provided in the day and she had her ladies get their own place. They didn't have to worry about double bookings, too much traffic (if I were a client I would be hesitant to go to a high traffic incall), or being locked down to one location if something went awry. Originally Posted by Ebony Jasmine Love Austin

You are correct "having an incall for several women seems very indiscreet" which is why despite a few benefits with agencies I prefer and encourage everyone to be independent and keep 100%. As for "why should the agency always provide the incall" one good reason is the high fees, if the provider has her own location then agencies should STOP being greedy and charge a modest booking fee $20-30 bucks

Also, agencies should not expect anyone to be exclusive. If providers want to do both and be independent too, they should be afforded that luxury.

He has a well known and proven history of methodically collecting private info and outing both his clients (Blatantly posting their real names, physical descriptions and numbers online) as well as outing the girls working for him who get on his shit list. He actually called the family of one girl and outed her ruining her life and causing her to quit providing. THIS is who you're defending. Really?. Originally Posted by Codybeast

Codybeast, if this is really true then I challenge you, POST THE FACTS!, who has he outed? That is the intention of this thread to unmask the ugly side of pimps and agencies. But of course the troublemakers found someone to blame and distract everyone from the REAL MESSAGE here. Codybeast take your own advice. I am posting for the girls on the board so unless you have something relevant to say, STFU. And further, for the record I did go back and do my research on Marco and found the so called "outings of members"

He introduced a searchable database of member "handles" allowing other members to read feedback and make educated decisions in their dealings with other members, nothing more The so called "outing of personal information" is complete BS!!!

It was very similar to the recent "NCNS list" you guys were compiling just a few days ago nothing more. So the guys can have their list but the girls CAN'T? Explain this Codybeast.

Only thing Marco has to do with this thread is, if a danger to the community, as a few of you keep saying, and if there are true accounts of real world information being compromised then, POST THE FACTS! unless of course its complete BS.

If anyone has 1st hand knowledge of about this guy (Marco) POST THE FACTS! Don't just claim there is some history or make vague statements that can't be verified or backed up...
POST THE FACTS! I certainly would like to know myself.

And EJL thank you for having the balls to stand up for what you believe in even though I have seen you take shit for a few times but, you are still here posting away for the benefit of all to read and learn. Again, thank you in advance.

Representation comes in many forms,some of which is honest,and fair to the ladies represented. Then on the other side,are the ones who represent ladies then employ tactics of taking more than their fair share of the rate,if ladies decide they can do better and attempts to leave,the representation outs them. Just like that failed agency mint,and that colossal failure RBB,am I right Marco?