I know it is dilemma, because providers are afraid the guy will rip them off, and guy is afraid, the provider will rip him off. I am also going to give pointers from my experiences on how to spot and save yourself headache, near the end of the post. Here is my take:
Experience with provider who ask for money before hand:
Now with these kind of experiences, 20-30% of times, I got ripped off. Especially when I was new to the hobby. The provider would say, "I will be right back!", or something like "That was for this and this only, not for FS, you gotta pay extra for that, blah blah" and so on.
I minimized the chances of being ripped off by seeing providers who had good reviews, but you know, it only take on bad apple, to kill all the fun. Happened to me a while back with Brazil. So, I went to her incall, paid $800, then she started claiming that she was feeling sick, blah blah. Long story shot, I got out in 10 minutes, and that was a low blow. I mean it is very hard for a man to tell sick lady to provide, and of course she won't return the money, claiming that she would do another appointment. Of course, you can imagine, she never scheduled. But I digress, my point being that it happened with other well reviewed ladies also (not in Texas though, it was when I was visiting other cities).
Now the 40% to 50% of the time, I had no problem, we had fun. So I blame these ladies for being ripped off (cause they were honest!), I mean because of them, I lowered my defenses, allowing others to rip me off
. Just joking, do not take it seriously. These ladies were awesome.Now the 10-20% who would do the session of some kind, without up selling, their performance is not worth mentioning. These are the hardest to spot, cause they will not just take your money and do nothing. They will have session, but their performance just sucked, or was so and so. They would ask to hurry things along, or their boyfriend is waiting outside, blah blah. You can imagine, that was a mood killer.
Providers who asks for money AFTER the session:
Now this is little controversial. Let me tell you my side of the story, then we shall see from providers point of view.
I only had 2 bad sessions where providers ask for money after the session. Both times, they try to waste time talking, or taking breaks, or whatever excuse they could came up with to delay the BCD. No matter how much I try to get the activities going, they will delay it and keep talking or make excuses like give me another 5 minutes. Once they decided they are ready, , they claimed they can't do bbbj for example and only do cbj. Even though, I made it clear to them that it what I wanted. Now surprisingly, they did not remember! Maybe both times it was April fools day and I was the fool! When I point out that I do not want a session anymore, then they all wanted FULL money, cause I am paying for their time, NOT their promises. So that sucked.
But my best memorial experiences, and best times were with the ones who asked for gift after the session. It is like they knew, that the guy would return back (of course I did) for more fun. Hell. I even took some to concerts back in colorado!
Now the problem is, there are many guys who had ripped the providers off. They would not pay after the session, or ran out on them, or keep talking and waste their time and then make excuses not to pay. I wish I could find them and post their pics, lol. Just joking, but seriously, I don't think this is cool at all.
When providers scams a guy, here is the problem:
1) He is out of money
2) He is still horny
3) Really depressed or frustrated (you know what I mean guys)
When guys scam the providers, the girls are:
1) Tired and frustrated
2) Money loss cause of missed appointments
3) At least not horny! lol (did not mean to make light of your problem)
Now the positive thing is, if providers do not ask for money before session, it is harder for LE to bust her. Not impossible, but MUCH MUCH harder.
After my last ripped off incident (brazil), I decided never to pay upfront for session. You can explain to the provider, that you can pay half of it after 30 minutes or even 15 minutes, but you cannot give money before anything happens. In other words, negotiate. Best thing to do, is explain to her before the session, when making the appointment. This way you do not waste her time or yours.
Now the pointers on how to find scammers. Lot of this is common sense, but you may find something useful. REMEMBER, previous sessions, do not guarantee that she will not rob you this time:
1) Avoid CL or Backpages, it reduces your chance of being scammed a lot.
2) Get 2 phones. They are cheap, but you gotta have hobby phone. If she is from Backpages, or CL (cause you could not find time to setup appointment with well reviewed ones, one of those emergencies). Call and set up an appointment, say at 1pm for one hour, for example. Use the other phone after a while and try to setup another appointment for say 1:30pm. If she is legit, she will NOT set an appointment with you, cause she already has set one up. If she is scammer, trying to get as many guys as possible, she will have no problem. Then just STAY AWAY from her.
3) Her attitude, is she being bitchy and controlling? (you can imagine the rest of the appointment with her). Is she making lot of stories and excuses for anything that is out of normal. Like why she used fake pics, or old pics, etc. If she is already lying to you before you even start anything, you bet it is not going to stop.
4) Is she trying VERY hard to make you pay upfront(swearing on her child, grandma, or her pimp daddy!), etc. Really trying TOO hard to convince you that she is legit, if only you will give her the money, everything would be just fine. Some girls are very smart, they will start with SOB story to get you emotionally connected, before robbing you
5) Promising that she will be right back! (100% rip off, lol, I know, but I was newbie when that happened)
6) Another good one, she says that you can give money to her friend or driver, and not to her. She will stay right with you, so you know you can trust her. It is very hard to say no, if her 'other friend' is VERY hot spinner....Do I have to explain this one?
7) Even if she don't run off on you, she is taking other calls, or wanna chill out for like 20 minutes. Or use any excuse to keep delaying BCD. If she dodges you twice, then you might as well cancel the session. Cause she will use every excuse and blame this as your fault. That you were too pushy (you are sitting there like a fool for 45 minutes and keep asking to start BCD, but remained patiently quiet with her cause she keep asking for another cigarette or 5 minutes, is not pushy. But since you keep asking every 5 minutes for last 45 minutes to start BCD, makes you pushy in her book). Happened to me only 3-4 times in last 10 years. Now I know, some providers do want to chit chat, but come on, spending 20-30 minutes to feel the guy in one hour session, is a rip off. Unless you prefer it that way, then it is not a problem
8) She keeps texting, going to bathroom to make calls so you cannot hear her, is another way for her to kill the session. Even if something happen, I promise you, you will NOT want to see her again anyways
9) If you love to do CL and Backpages a lot (not recommended), get a hobby buddy. Do not do it alone. Period. He is the guy who will watch out for you, in case she calls her big bad boyfriend, pimp. Sometimes, they will get you in the door, and would not let you out! Lock you in. Happened to me in early days of hobby twice. You can imagine, I was having heart attack. If I had a buddy, he would knock or checkup if I do not text or let him know everything is ok. There was one, where she says she will ride with me to ATM, to make sure I do not ran off on her! She was asking me to hand her driver license or my credit card before she would let me out, as a assurance that I will be coming back. So be careful. I had to to pay her $100 just to get out of her hotel room! All cases, they were from the observer (when aspd wasn't that much known)
0) Best of all, this one guarantees that she going to rob you 100%. She changes her attitude. For example, previously you had several sessions with her. She never ask you for money upfront. Now, suddenly she is asking you that you HAVE to pay upfront. When you try to explain, that don't we know each other by now? Why change of heart this time? She will explain that she had previous guys who were her client for years and they turn on her, so now she wants to make sure nothing happens. My advice, let her go. I have not met 1 provider, who did not ran off, once she start using these excuses. You know she is up to no good. I even had reviews about it in good old aspd
11) Feel the girl when you talk to her on the phone, is she friendly? Is she bitchy? Do you hear other phone ringing in the background? Pay attention to your environment, when you meet her. It helps a lot
12) You seen her bunch of times, she is like the fiend you always wanted to have, you know, the one-hot, not string attached, and gives world class blowjob! Then she calls you, with SOB story, that she needs quick money for rent, electricity, car payment. My advice, ask for collateral (more expensive then your paying for so you can sell it and get your money back), or ask for special sessions. Period. I know, some guys got paid back, but many will be suckered. If you have to give her quick loan, do it with gift in mind. Assume 80% of chance that she will not pay back. Otherwise, do not loan her.
13) Let say, you make a deal with provider. An awesome deal. For example, she charges $$$$$ for an hour, but for you she will do 4 hours for really good price, like $500. I am using numbers out of the aie, it could be anything. When you meet her, everything seems ok, But something like this comes out of her mouth "You know, I am giving you very good deal. You should be great-full. I had guys paying me $700 an hour!" Or "I came all the way here, had to do this or that, I could have been making $$$ if I wasn't with you!" Remember, she made the deal with you! She did not have to accept it, once she did, she is NOT doing you any favor. No more than you are doing her any favor. If something like this happens, do not get frustrated or angry....just BAIL OUT. Period. Trust me, only 10% are salvageable situations. Chances are, that things are only going to go downhill.
14) For god, buddah, or whatever you believe in sake. DO NOT invite providers to your home, thinking that since your wife is away, you can now do that 18 year old spinner over that pool table like you always wanted. I read one review somewhere, on how this guy used CL and invited 2 18yr olds to his home. They actually robbed him (just cash money). He couldn't call the police or kick them out of his home cause they could make scene in his neighborhood, and that would get back to his wife.
15) Do not do 3-some with providers you haven't seen before (especially one from CL or backpages). They will gang up on you, and there is nothing much you could do about it. Didn't happen to me, but to a known reviewer in another hobby board
Now sometimes, you know you were fooled. No matter how many precautions you took, you realize that she has your money (little head thinking), and just wasting your time. Do not try to save the session, if thing start going downhill, just split. Money is not worth your life. Shit happens, and that is all you can do. All my advice, reduce your chances of getting ripped off, but there would still be a time, when she got you
Only tip I know for providers to know if guy is going to rip her off, is when he says "Stay right here, I will be right back from my car." Had some providers telling how they got ripped off in good old aspd. There are other methods. My advice, screen the guy. If he has seen at least one good known provider, chances of him ripping you off goes down a lot.
I hope to get some reviews in soon, if you have any more pointers, please provide. I hope this post becomes a sticky!
. We can always hope! heheNow, this is all advice, most applicable to Backpages and CL girls. None of it could apply to you. You could be a lucky one who never got ripped off. In that case, gimme your number! Lol! You setup the appointment and I will show up, ride on your luck! Just joking. Just trying to say, I hope no one get offended by this, it was never my attention
