Krunkman mentioned something concerning figging, spanking and the perviness of people in the Victorian times. Thought this would be a great topic of historical significance! LOL.
What are some stories of Victorian perviness? Krunkman might wish to add his story of ginger root and spanking here but I'm always surprised to recognize that people from other ages were just as extreme and sexual as we are today.
Pictures would be great as well!
Elisabeth
- ElisabethWhispers
- 07-21-2010, 11:13 AM
- Krunkman
- 07-21-2010, 03:54 PM
Aww (blushes). Thanks Elisabeth!
I have always been fascinated by how publicly repressed Victorian society was in the public eye, yet they wrote such bawdy tales, performed such sexually arousing things and yet still somehow managed to keep both halves separated from one another!
There is an interesting link to a discourse on sexuality in general (and the linke refers to the Victorian section) here: http://www.isis.aust.com/stephan/wri...ality/vict.htm
Here's the obligatory link to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_morality
Here's an interesting article by a real MD: http://www.innominatesociety.com/Art...rian%20Era.htm
The funny thing about most articles on the Victorian age is that they all acknowledge the apparent hypocrisy of the time. I suppose ever generation has it, but for whatever reason the Victorian Age stands out so much. Right before the Victorian age we see some very interesting changes, such as Justine by the Marquis de Sade, and later during the Victorian period Sader Macher writes the classic Venus in Furs. Most of us in BDSM can trace our kinky roots back to this period.
Though, to be honest, I'm sure kinky sex had been going on prior to that (chastity belted ladies during the crusades, etc). It's just that during this period we see the whole concept raised up as more of an organized art form. Don't you love history when it involves boobages?
I have always been fascinated by how publicly repressed Victorian society was in the public eye, yet they wrote such bawdy tales, performed such sexually arousing things and yet still somehow managed to keep both halves separated from one another!
There is an interesting link to a discourse on sexuality in general (and the linke refers to the Victorian section) here: http://www.isis.aust.com/stephan/wri...ality/vict.htm
Here's the obligatory link to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_morality
Here's an interesting article by a real MD: http://www.innominatesociety.com/Art...rian%20Era.htm
The funny thing about most articles on the Victorian age is that they all acknowledge the apparent hypocrisy of the time. I suppose ever generation has it, but for whatever reason the Victorian Age stands out so much. Right before the Victorian age we see some very interesting changes, such as Justine by the Marquis de Sade, and later during the Victorian period Sader Macher writes the classic Venus in Furs. Most of us in BDSM can trace our kinky roots back to this period.
Though, to be honest, I'm sure kinky sex had been going on prior to that (chastity belted ladies during the crusades, etc). It's just that during this period we see the whole concept raised up as more of an organized art form. Don't you love history when it involves boobages?
- blowpop
- 07-21-2010, 04:13 PM
Repress something normal, and the pent-up frustration expresses itself in, shall we say, unusual ways. Victorians, Catholic priests, right-wing theocrats, they're often the kinkiest bastards out there, because they don't have the normal release that most of us have.
That's my biggest complaint with moral codes that repress healthy expressions of sexuality: They do so with willful disregard of human nature, and are thus doomed to fail.
That's my biggest complaint with moral codes that repress healthy expressions of sexuality: They do so with willful disregard of human nature, and are thus doomed to fail.
- Krunkman
- 07-21-2010, 04:36 PM
Repress something normal, and the pent-up frustration expresses itself in, shall we say, unusual ways. Victorians, Catholic priests, right-wing theocrats, they're often the kinkiest bastards out there, because they don't have the normal release that most of us have.Most social codes and laws evolve and/or are adpated to address a perceived "corruption" to society. The inherent problem is that morality is fluid, and changes between generations. Well, that statement holds true so long as the society within which the laws are generated also changes with time. We have seen many examples where when a society resists change and remains static that the staus quo is often upheld. And, at times, people who try to change the status quo are persecuted, exiled or killed (or forced to adapt if they stay).
That's my biggest complaint with moral codes that repress healthy expressions of sexuality: They do so with willful disregard of human nature, and are thus doomed to fail. Originally Posted by blowpop
We are fortunate to live in a society that continues to evolve and change. The US is still a relatively young nation, and because we are not homogenous we have many forms and types of social rules and mores from which to choose from. Even with the moral and social laws that we do have, they aren't as strict as some of our more modern bretheren. I was looking through the interwebz and discovered that in 1960 the UK MoJ (Ministry of Justice) prosecuted the publisher Penguin in England for publishing Lady Chatterly's Lover... a quite tame piece of pornography by today's standards. And as recently as 2008 they brought up a man on charges for writing a fictional porn story called Girls (Screaming) Aloud about the girl group of the same name where in the story they get kidnapped, raped, and then killed. It's interesting because a) it was a work of fiction, and b) it had no illustrations and most porn suits are based on imagery and not words.
- Guest061511-2
- 07-23-2010, 01:50 AM
I ran across this and thought some of it was interesting.
http://sexuality.spaceandmotion.com/...al-fantasy.htm
http://sexuality.spaceandmotion.com/...al-fantasy.htm