Denver Busts

Some busts last week:
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...ver-metro-area

And the FtC AMP shutdowns have lead to charges:
http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...titution-house

This discussion was shut down by the owner of P411 on another Denver board. Guess she didn't like the bad publicity.

Lets see if she has connections on this site and lets this shut down.

I am not surprised that P411 ladies were busted by cops. Most never ask for a p411 appointment request if you contact them phone to see if they are available. I have noticed 3 of my oks have become inactive in the past week, even though their last visit was as recently as yesterday. Makes on wonder why so many are now inactive???

Unfortunately, a P411 client account was compromised in Denver, and a number of providers were affected by it. The truth is that this happens from time to time, as the hobby evolves so do those who want to put an end to it.

I always post about these things when they come up on the provider side of the site. There was no indication that clients were in any way targeted, and therefore I don't necessarily post the information to the clients. The reality is that 99% of the time they focus on the ladies, but regardless please do as much research as you feel is necessary before setting up a meeting.

Stay safe out there, and don't fool yourself into thinking there is a magic wand that can be waived to guarantee absolute safety. Screen, research, and don't think this is a joke! Hysteria won't help the matter, but being mindful of the risks being taken is important.

Always,
Gina

I believe that Gina has always been 100% honest when it comes to vulnerabilities and her site.

Anybody that believes that the cops cannot access preferred 411, is a moron.

Anybody that believes that the cops cannot access preferred 411, is a moron.

Well, I wouldn't say that they can "access" P411, meaning anyone's information on P411 (we don't keep any private info btw)... but certainly it's not a huge stretch for them to get their hands on a client account.

It's happened before, and it's bound to happen again from time to time.

Always,
Gina

... but certainly it's not a huge stretch for them to get their hands on a client account.

It's happened before, and it's bound to happen again from time to time.

Always,
Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Has there never been an instance where they got their hands on a provider's account? Has a provider's P411 account never been compromised?

Has there never been an instance where they got their hands on a provider's account? Has a provider's P411 account never been compromised?

I'm not aware of any situation where a provider's P411 account has been used to cause this type of problem for clients. That's not to say that it couldn't happen, it just hasn't happened up to now.

Always,
Gina

I'm not aware of any situation where a provider's P411 account has been used to cause this type of problem for clients. That's not to say that it couldn't happen, it just hasn't happened up to now.

Always,
Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX

That's pretty amazing.
A not all that uncommon tactic that's been used over the years to cause this type of problem for clients, but probably more often for other providers, has never been successfully utilized in relationship to P411.
I congratulate you on such an impressive achievement.

Yet, what I would consider the rare tactic of acquiring and actually using a real client's profile to cause this type of problem for providers has been successfully utilized in relationship to P411 on multiple occasions.
Do you have any advice for clients on how they might best avoid becoming victimized by that tactic? Is there a way to close that door?



Deuce

using a real client's profile to cause this type of problem for providers has been successfully utilized in relationship to P411 on multiple occasions.
Do you have any advice for clients on how they might best avoid becoming victimized by that tactic? Is there a way to close that door?

Sure. Don't give up all your verification info if you are put under that pressure, when pulled over leaving an incall, or whatever. Or at least let me know if you get scared and do give it up. Believe it or not, I have been notified more times than we've had incidents.

Unfortunately, the reality is that the majority of people, in particular clients, will give up all of their information to be used without hesitation. The only thing that really saves us is that in the vast majority of operations, they have neither the time or budget to go to any great lengths... dailing off of Backpage (or posting a fake ad on BP) will suffice, although every now and then they do put more effort into it. Oh and 99% of the time the target the providers, not the clients.

There is little anyone can do in those instances where a real account is compromised.... a little bit of good luck comes into play at times.
Always,
Gina

Sure. Don't give up all your verification info if you are put under that pressure, when pulled over leaving an incall, or whatever. Or at least let me know if you get scared and do give it up. Believe it or not, I have been notified more times than we've had incidents. Originally Posted by GinaXXX

I have no problem at all in believing you've been notified more times than you've had actual incidents like those you describe.

Unfortunately, the reality is that the majority of people, in particular clients, will give up all of their information to be used without hesitation. The only thing that really saves us is that in the vast majority of operations, they have neither the time or budget to go to any great lengths... dailing off of Backpage (or posting a fake ad on BP) will suffice, although every now and then they do put more effort into it. Oh and 99% of the time the target the providers, not the clients. Originally Posted by GinaXXX

I agree. Hence my astonishment that you've never had a provider do that.

The "Remain Silent" advice is the definitive, and essentially only truly effective defense against the pressure tactics employed against you in such situations. On one level, it's simple to remember and, technically, there's nothing easier to do. "Just Keep Your Mouth Shut."
However, on another level, it does take a strong person to, under the pressure of the moment, reject the offer of having their own ass protected in exchange for pointing the accusers toward the ass of someone else.
Self-interest and self-preservation, too often, cause some people to do some pretty slimy things to others.
We can only hope that those with such "ethical flexibility" will eventually reap what they sow.
From what I've observed in life, what goes around actually does come back around eventually, more often than not.



Deuce

Oh and 99% of the time the target the providers, not the clients.

I agree. Hence my astonishment that you've never had a provider do that.

Well, my thought is that since the clients are rarely targeted, the need to even try to get into a provider account doesn't often exist. I could be wrong of course, but I suspect that's what's happening.

Always,
Gina

Well, my thought is that since the clients are rarely targeted, the need to even try to get into a provider account doesn't often exist. I could be wrong of course, but I suspect that's what's happening.

Always,
Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Why was getting into a client's account needed to target providers?
Presumably, the primary reason would be to increase their ability to successfully circumvent the targeted provider's security and verification procedures.

That can be accomplished just as easily, if not more easily, with access to a provider's account.
In fact, when such tactics are utilized, history has shown that pursuing access to provider accounts has been the preferred method rather than pursuing access to client accounts. A vouch, reference, or ok falsely manufactured for an undercover officer in client's clothing can be accomplished much easier via access to a provider account than a client account.

Access to accounts and passwords also provides them access to additional information located in private or restricted areas.
Such additional information located in private or restricted client areas can be instantly accessed for a few bucks and the time it takes to register a new account. The additional information located in private or restricted provider areas, which would be much more valuable to them in the effort to target providers, could only be available to them via access to an existing provider account or password.

Providers are targeted much more often than clients. A compromised account used to target providers can just as easily come from a compromised provider account as it can from a compromised client account.


Deuce