Attitude!!

For all the hobbyist out there. Please give me an advice on the right way to contact a provider, and the way I should talk with her. Today I had a very bad experience, I got verified by a provider, and then when I asked for a discount (because it was too high, and I didn't look at the full menu and know that there are lower prices for different services) she got mad and blocked me. So I'm not sure whether this was the problem or because I mentioned the service that I want in the email. Moreover, I only have 1 reference, the only one that I saw, and I don't want to bother her again as I think I may have embarrassed her after what I did. So if you all can tell me the right approach, and also give me a list of good providers I would really appreciate that, as I have 5 weeks left here at Austin and I want to make the most out of it.
Thanks

All the following require light or alternative screening !

AngelIsAFreak6969
Aphrodite
bbw juicy booty
BellaBee87
Bridgette Ann
Busty Betzi
Catricia
Darling Lisa
Gold Coast Beauty
Jennatx
Just Alisha
lindsaypage
MsKristine
privatecollections /Piper Leone
Shayla84
Spinner Ally Ray
sue_nami
Sweet Lisa
sxyveronica
Toya Titties
Victoria Lyn ( if you have seen someone else )

(listed in alphabetical order)

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Right approach, that's a tricky one. This one often serves me well (was posted by 19trees some time ago, hope you have PM access:

Thank you really appreciate it, is it possible also if you can provide me eith additional two who are good and screening won't matter because I will have at least 2 references from your list

you'll need to do some research and identify the ones with the looks and offer that you seek.
Or you could post in "Requests and ISOs - Austin" and see who pops in or sends PM.
Be specific and if you have an upper limit might want to mention time and budget.

I think most boys start here:
http://eccie.net/forumdisplay.php?f=15

And cross-reference that information for what they find here:
http://eccie.net/forumdisplay.php?f=18

Order isn't terribly important.

Thanks guys

One final question guys, about the provider who blocked me because I asked for a discount, and I guess as I said my attitude wasn't right.
If I contacted her again and I apologized, (which I did, but I think my email wasn't received because of the block) do you think this will be a good idea or not contacting her again will be better. Though I think she's one of the best providers here at Austin, and I would love to see her before I leave

Best to let it go. Build a reputation, write some reviews and then you can think about it IF you are still interested.

I got verified by a provider, and then when I asked for a discount (because it was too high Originally Posted by Jonathan08

What I am hearing you say is you asked for a discount because the providers rate was too high. Unfortunately, it isn't your place to determine what a provider should be charging. Only a provider can determine what escorting is worth it to her. It is not a clients place to tell a provider her rate is too high, asking for a discount is a "you aren't worth it" slap in the face. Escorts can put whatever price tag they want on anything and everything.

In the same way, you can select to pay her rate, or move on. If she is getting her rate, she'll be okay without you. If she isn't getting her rate, eventually it will decrease.

she got mad and blocked me. Originally Posted by Jonathan08

I have never had a client ask for a discount, but if I did, I would think… You cheap bastard, don't ever fucking contact me again. If you want to spend less, go somewhere else. However, if I were asked if my rates were negotiable, then I would be more likely to open up to the person and try seeing what they had in mind and I would at least take into consideration their offer.

I'm not sure whether this was the problem or because I mentioned the service that I want in the email. Originally Posted by Jonathan08

Asking for specific services will get on fuck you DNS lists pretty darn quick; and any provider who does communicate with you on what she will or won't do... that should scare the shit out of you. Do some research and figure it out on your own. If you can't find anything, wait until something surfaces.

So if you all can tell me the right approach Originally Posted by Jonathan08

It is obvious the provider was offended by your request. If down the road you ever come across another provider with whom you want to ask for a discount, I would consider the approach of asking if her rates are negotiable.

If the provider says yes her rates are negotiable, that's your open door to ask. Try to not be cheap. Decreasing her rate and expecting her to spend the same amount of time with you all because this or that isn't provided will make you look cheap. At least offer to stay a shorter period of time if you want to pay less.

If the provider says no her rates are not negotiable, that's a closed door and you should refrain from asking altogether, no matter how bad you want to ask. No means no, and haggling the provider is only going to make her resent you even more, and depending on how far you take it, she may tell other providers that you are a pest constantly trying to jimmy down rates.

I like your post because it shows that you care enough to ask about something which you're unsure of. You did something, got an undesired result, and you're doing something about it. Your post will make you that much smarter the next go around. I hope you don't take offense to what I have stated here, as my intent is/was not to shit on you for what you already did, but to provide insight to what can be done better down the road.

PleasantSurprise, wow, THX, I am sure I came pretty close a couple of times... now I am so much smarter and will adjust and fine tune as well.... THX to you !!!

What I am hearing you say is you asked for a discount because the providers rate was too high. Unfortunately, it isn't your place to determine what a provider should be charging. Only a provider can determine what escorting is worth it to her. It is not a clients place to tell a provider her rate is too high, asking for a discount is a "you aren't worth it" slap in the face. Escorts can put whatever price tag they want on anything and everything. Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

I totally agree with this! That would feel like a slap in the face to me as well. especially since I particularly already have self worth/self confidence issues. having someone indicate even unintentionally that I'm not worth the rate I'm asking. that's a blow to the ego

In the same way, you can select to pay her rate, or move on. If she is getting her rate, she'll be okay without you. If she isn't getting her rate, eventually it will decrease.


I have never had a client ask for a discount, but if I did, I would think… You cheap bastard, don't ever fucking contact me again. If you want to spend less, go somewhere else. However, if I were asked if my rates were negotiable, then I would be more likely to open up to the person and try seeing what they had in mind and I would at least take into consideration their offer. Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

Agreed negotiating is a very old employed buyer seller business strategy that's generally acceptable. Heck if I could negotiate some of the clothes I buy at walmart I'd be a happy camper! $20 for a pair of jeans my ass. doesn't even include tax

Asking for specific services will get on fuck you DNS lists pretty darn quick; and any provider who does communicate with you on what she will or won't do... that should scare the shit out of you. Do some research and figure it out on your own. If you can't find anything, wait until something surfaces. Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

Actually I get PMs asking if I do greek and I will let someone know that's not currently on my "menu" I don't see anything wrong with that. I got a PM the other day someone mentioned they didn't see DATY or DATO in my reviews of Listed on P411 activities and they were wondering if it was part of my menu or if it just got over looked and left off. and actually one of my dates DATY was an activity we did together if its not on the review he posted he probably forgot to add it. plus for me DATY is a case by case thing and I don't actively list it anywhere. so really my reviews don't cover. Everything like another date came to see me at lunch so us some sandwiches (go ahead I know someone's thinking of that Woman make me a sandwich joke) so a sandwhich AND awesome sex (now That's my kinda woman! ) and not everyone takes the time to write reviews so you probably won't know all my offered activities from reading the 3 review I do have. like showers together,cuddling, food I'm telling you sometimes food can make the difference, DATY, toys, pics (ノ^_^)ノ

anyways getting off track Some girls list their "menu" or services if you can feel secure enough to list them idc if it's P411 or your own personal site or on/in your showcase what exactly is the difference in listing services over communicating what you will or won't do? o.O and letting them know before they make a date with you what is available and what isn't. ¯(°_o)/¯

maybe its just me (and cause i'm a lil weird) but If someone takes an interest in me and decides they might what to spend some time with me but they have questions like is greek on the menu? and say they really love greek what am I suppose to say "I don't discuss services" and take the chance of them coming to see me and them leaving disappointed cause they didn't get to do something they really like and I wouldn't tell them before they took the time to come all the way out to see me??? o.O IDk I just like for someone, when they take the time to visit me to know what it is they will get with me, so they don't get disappointed that they didn't know my "limits" beforehand. Is that so wrong??? (/ﾟДﾟ)/

I'm not adverse to polite inquires and I will give u and honest straightforward answer so there is no confusion or doubts.
now if someone text me and ask are you gonna suck my **** and lick my balls? I'm not answering that.

I also don't answer menu questions through email or phone but I will in PMs

I'm just not sure saying I don't do Greek I don't do DATO I don't sit on ppls face I don't want my face sat upon should send ppl running for the hills.... >_> unless u like sitting on ppls faces then go ahead and run from me (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ (」ﾟヘﾟ)」

now if she says for 20 extra bucks I'll let you CIM then I could see that as a red flag...

the wait a see advice if EVERYONE employed that with me I wouldn't have a job >_> I mean I have to give ppl an incentive just to get them to take the 10mins out of their day to write a review of me so other ppl may feel more confident seeing me. the long time hobbyist don't wanna chance new girl the new time hobbyist are advised to see "already reviewed girls" can you say catch 22 much? ¯(°_o)/¯so if us little to no history and/or "new girls" come along and everyone did the wait and see game and the new girls would go outta business real quick. or More likely will resort to seeking out "management" and/or BP just from lack of any other acceptable options

Girls, you are missing the benefit of CLIENT membership on these boards; if we call and say, "Hi, I saw you on eccie. I'm a member and my handle is 3daygetaway, may I ask you some specific menu-related questions?" You should feel safe in discussing them on the phone, especially if it is someone who has written reviews and has previously PM'd you.

Guess what--we want to know specific things about your services, and we want to hear in your voice if you are into it, especially if it is a fetish or a typical varying mileage request. If I ask for something and you say "Uhm, huh, maybe...I guess...okay, yeah, I'll do it." That is a lot different than "Yes, I like doing that very much." AND from a written review, the reader cannot usually determine your level of interest in those things.

How many times have you been burned or heard of a provider being burned by an active and referenced board member? Probably never.

I know you guys worry about LE, and I know there are restrictions on what you can mention in your posts, but please be more forthcoming when we reach out to you.

The rest of the commentary on the OP's question(s) is appreciated and duly noted.

Thanks

I usually discuss specifics after references or screening has been properly completed... But with fetishes and other fun stuff I find certainty on what the gent expects and wants to experience helps make the experience complete, and lessens the chances of unhappy customers.

I do have to say I would block you as well if you told me what you told her.....if I was told my rate was to high I would tell you to go to bp(snarky voice implied) because you are the one contacting me(supposedly after reading all my info & reviews)..... I am not contacting you, soliciting you.

[QUOTE=3daygetaway;1053226024]Girls, you are missing the benefit of CLIENT membership on these boards; if we call and say, "Hi, I saw you on eccie. I'm a member and my handle is 3daygetaway, may I ask you some specific menu-related questions?" You should feel safe in discussing them on the phone, especially if it is someone who has written reviews and has previously PM'd you.[QUOTE]

The problem with that is that anyone could call and say the same thing unless you have pm'd her with your number already and have talked to her. The reason I mention this is because of this thread. http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=760596 There was also another where a provider had her phone number on her ad and got a call from (supposedly) a well known hobbiest, accepted the appointment and got robbed. She should have been more thorough, but he was a well known hobbiest that posts a lot and has a ton of reviews. You just never know for sure who you're talking to unless you get a pm from that person.

The OP said that he had just been verified and then tried to negotiate the rate and ask specific questions. I think most providers would do the same thing the original lady did. I think that PleasantSurprise summed it up and explained his mistakes and gave him real good advice.

Darter,
You're referencing a few limited situations where someone put a lot of extra work into their deception. I'm sorry that happened, but I'm talking about the everyday call.

No doubt there is a best practices guide for providers that states "do not discuss services and donations on the phone." But realistically, it is still a more reliable and faster way to connect.

It's always going to be a risk, but couldn't a provider be more forthcoming on the phone, and based on that conversation choose to ask more questions or require more screening steps, as opposed to doing multiple screening before a phone call, which may or may not result in a date being booked? Both ways allow for screening, but the way it is now is not the most efficient for either party.

Personally, if I have a request and call to inquire and am told "I don't discuss..." or the provider hangs up, I'm no longer interested in seeing that provider. She loses the opportunity to gain a relationship over her perceived risk avoidance. Again the question is how often is the call from LE or the thief-impersonating-a-known-member? So few times you could average it out to NEVER.