Government

Why are some state office closed or not working.
Why is the National Guard not doing their drills. they are state funded.
Why are some Courts closed or not working.
We are so confused.
Obama Care, and health insurance company are going to make a killing and raise their rates.
So we had Oil with Busch, Busch lives in TXs and owns land and oil wells
now we have Obama and health care. do you think he might have a crap load of stock in insurance companies, or a stake in this market.


The question I have is the State Offices of Government seem now to fall under the Federal Government, so why are we paying state taxes and fines again.
I thought the State Government is different, and their monies come from different pots of gold. this is kind of like the lottery and the monies going for better education.
this all seem screwed up and no one knows what's going on.
The post office has to be pissed right now because they have to work.
but they don't fall under the US government, then why does the government own everything in the post office, this is a riddle we will never understand. so why does the government set a price on postage. the post office is so confusing to me.

Now we just need the stock market to fall in line with all this crap, and drop about 2000 points.

I have heard several statements that the federal government partially funds some things and they are using that leverage as the force to shut down these things. That being the case, why are the public schools still open? If these "strings" are sufficient to shut down a privately owned farm or a stated owned lake then why not the schools? Certainly plenty of strings there.

Wisconsin governor Scott Walker is taking a stand. They're staying open.
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2...eps-Parks-Open

There isn't room to write the epistle that would explain all of this to you. Some of it has to do with grants and revenue sharing. Some agencies saw it coming so put money back for it. For example, the federal courts did that. Some state agencies have programs fully federally funded that keep it separate from state/local funds. Those furlough until funded again. The Postal Service is a constitutionally mandated function that is a quasi-governmental federal program, so it generates it's own funding to stay open and only receives federal assistance. The National Guard is more complicated and has state and federal concurrent funding and command/management. Suffice it to say the state funded components of federal/state partnerships run, those that anticipated this and funded ahead run for a time until the cushion runs out, and Congress went ahead and temporarily funded some programs. State programs that had federal revenue sharing and grants will adjust accordingly as funds run out. Where the state picks up the full tab they will stay. Portions of Obamacare don't need federal help and are there without funding, other parts in need of fed help will work or not work like a broken machine. Schools are state funded and will operate that way, though may drop federally funded programs or make due and will suffer the loss. Farms get federal subsidies, so if a farm operation depends upon that, then without it that farm won't operate.

Right now the stock market has priced this in and is keying more off of the Federal Reserves's Quantitative Easing programs. That will rapidly change now, especially as we approach the debt ceiling issue this month. And let me emphasize, the last thing we need is the stock market tanking 2000 points. We may not be able to pull out of that this time as we still haven't recovered from the last one completely. Some correction would be okay, but 2000 in a short time without government functioning risks becoming a self perpetuating free fall and trashing all but the very wealthy.

Why are some state office closed or not working.
Why is the National Guard not doing their drills. they are state funded. Why are some Courts closed or not working. We are so confused. Originally Posted by Helicopter206

The current regime in DC is doing everything they can to make things as painful as possible during this "shutdown."

The best part is that they've forced people who happen to have their homes on federal land out of their homes. Then again, they've attempted to close things the federal government has no connection with, like scenic outlooks for Mt Rushmore that are actually on state highways: They were forced to remove the barry-cades. And then there was Mount Vernon, home of President George Washington. The US Park Services attempted to close Mount Vernon, and did have it shut down for a few hours before threats of a law suit caused them to remove the barry-cades: Mount Vernon is a privately held monument and gets no federal funding. And then there was the WWII memorial...



Mark

I was not aware that Bush owned any oil wells. Research shows that Bush was in oil back in the early 90s but left in 1990 with embarassing results.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori.../jackson.bush/

Par for the course. He left the presidency with embarrassing results, too, including his replacement. It's remarkable how similar the story line is to his presidency.

Par for the course. He left the presidency with embarrassing results, too, including his replacement. It's remarkable how similar the story line is to his presidency. Originally Posted by bartipero

Well, somebody knows their shit.

I didn't say Bush owned all the oil in TXs.
but didn't Cheney and Bush have a lot of stock in oil, or land.
before the war started, and didn't the price of oil go sky high during this time.
why is it that the U.S. buy's more oil from overseas, but U.S. sell's most of the oil that comes out of the ground here in the U.S., back overseas. this is a known fact. The U.S. only keeps a very small share of the oil.

Which Bush are we talking about, H or HW?
It is interesting that the memorial to the OKC bombing which was a federal building is funded almost entirely by private or city funding. The feds have nothing to do with it......thank god!!!! So it was open last weekend and if you havent been there you should go but bring kleenex it is a VERY moving and sobering thing to experience. Lots of pictures videos, and things from that explosion!! My hat is off to the people of OKC.

Helicopter:"...why is it that the U.S. buy's more oil from overseas, but U.S. sell's most of the oil that comes out of the ground here in the U.S., back overseas. this is a known fact. The U.S. only keeps a very small share of the oil. ..."

I don't think that's quite right, Heli. Here is a recent Bloomberg article with some point-counterpoint: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...since-70s.html

We export refined products, like gasoline, but oil exports are greatly restricted. If oil production from new technologies continues we may get to energy independence soon, particularly when factoring in natural gas. While everyone has been operating under old assumptions 'drill baby drill" has been going on and it's outstripping shipping and marketing capacity, even in this region. (Drive into the northern border areas of Oklahoma and they're even reviving dead fields. It's easy to see.) It's a real game changer that is coming, but it isn't here yet, but it is the subject of debate. We haven't been in this place for decades.

Something like 220,000 barrels if crude were shipped out if the Balken formation fields of North Dakota last year--all by truck and primarily rail. (Buffett didn't buy BNSF by blind luck, it's the primary railroad in that region.) The old number was zero.

You want prices to modulate? The Keystone Pipeline would help. Obama is deliberately holding that up though environmental red herrings have been solved and it would unlock more supply and allow us participation in the world market and lower oil prices.

You need competition with the international markets domestically. That will happen when production ends up exceeding demand here. Some of that will occur with truck fleets converting to natural gas, but it won't fully occur without reaching the ability and then allowing the export of domestic oil and interior market access to foreign commodity pricing on the world market. It only works, though, if we do reach net excess production domestically.

Our oil prices domestically are influenced by the pricing of oil on the world market. That is based upon Brent North Sea crude priced in dollars, and the dollar as the pricing mechanism also effects the pricing depending upon whether it is strong or not in world currency markets.

Domestically the price is driven by West Texas Intermediate Crude pricing determined at Cushing, OK. This doesn't begin to cover the issue of all of that, but the fact is we still import 40% of what we need and ship out very little and then under controlled circumstances where it makes sense to do so.

You want prices to modulate? The Keystone Pipeline would help. Obama is deliberately holding that up though environmental red herrings have been solved and it would unlock more supply and allow us participation in the world market and lower oil prices.
. Originally Posted by bartipero

What exactly was solved? The opposition to the pipeline really has nothing to do with the pipeline (except where it was going but I believe they rerouted part of it) but where/how they are getting the oil. It is coming from oil sands instead of conventional oil and produces 12-17% more Greenhouse emissions during extraction. But I suppose that we shouldn't worry about Greenhouse gases because Climate change is a hoax right? Just get me cheaper gas to put in my SUV!! Ahh the American way screwing over the next generation for the benefit of this one.

Oil production is at a all time high consumption is down. Gas is under $3.00 bucks in Mo.

oil production is at a high because of all the drilling on private land like in n dakota and west texas. if not for that it would be at a all time low... almost half of all the drilling rigs in the country are operating today in Texas (where drilling permits are regularly issued within 3 days), and unless you’re trying to drill wells in Lake Falcon on the Rio Grande River or on one of the various military bases in the state, chances are very, very good this “shutdown” will have no impact on you at all.

Don't blame Obama for the shutdown.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us...ning.html?_r=0

new york times,huh? no we cant blame obama for anything..its bush's fault we all know that,