Thread Locking. What to do when you disagree with Moderation - Lesson 2

Lesson 1 taught us, as well as JJ, that Mods have no duty to honor an OP's request to lock a thread and that the interests of all those participating in the thread need to be considered.

It also taught us that QUESTIONING the process can lead to Mods reversing decisions.

So what else gets locked around here?...

Well one of the ladies stepped up and claimed to have been kept silent too long and I thought I would read up on her.....

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=774826

Huh? Locked Reviews?

And Mokoa's Comment upon locking after just 9 posts is

"Both parties have had their say.

The members will make up their own minds.

I will hear no more of this.

We are done here. "


What's up Mokoa? How can a Provider have her say in a Review Thread?. It is the OP's Review. And the right of the Male Community to discuss it. Since when does the Board close reviews after a woman comments?

I can't say I have seen this before so help me understand?

Especially the "I will hear no more of this"

I can see where the recurring comments of you acting like God are originating if this is the flavor of how you Moderate.... That's a rather pompous statement to make.

Did the OP lie about something? Were there errors in his reporting that were somehow proven by the Provider?

What possible guidelines did you consider in locking a review.?

In My opinion the terminology you used in locking the thread validates the Provider's version and discredits the OP.

But most importantly here in locking a thread like this? Where is the communities right to post to or contribute to his review thread?

I plugged in your name and that phrase and guess what? 4 more locked threads.

"We are done here." yield's 14 pages with locked threads interspersed.....

14 Pages with 6 to 12 locked threads per page?

Damn Man! You are a busy locksmith.... I have a lot of material to dig through..... Back in a bit....

Before I go though..... I recall that one of you very first actions as a Mod was in locking a thread.... I PMd you and you acknowledged you were wrong and unlocked it.... Do I remember that right? If so, am I the only one to ever questions you?.

I personally wonder if Mokoa (SA God Moderator) has gotten the word on not locking threADs or Threads because the OP has requested it, I know that JJ posted the following: After discussing with upper staff it now that no thread will be locked in the future just because the OP request, it will be allowed to continue or die on its own.

I hope that JJ was talking about Upper Staff meaning Administration / Owners of the board.

I personally wonder if Mokoa (SA God Moderator) has gotten the word on not locking threADs or Threads because the OP has requested it, I know that JJ posted the following: After discussing with upper staff it now that no thread will be locked in the future just because the OP request, it will be allowed to continue or die on its own. Originally Posted by Woody of TX

Yes Woody, I am quite aware of that discussion and with that in mind I offer an experiment. Now, I will get to that in a minute.

First, to address the threads Whispers has referenced...

When reviews are disputed, the provider is allowed to tell her side by starting a thread in Coed. Once that is done, both parties have been heard from. At that point I closed both threads for two reasons. First, the members can glean what they want from both threads and can make up their own minds about who to believe and whether the provider is someone they want to visit. Second, it prevents either thread from becoming places for pointless bickering between the hobbyist, the provider and any white knights. Such bickering, although entertaining to some, is helpful to no one. When threads deteriorate to that point nothing new and relevant is posted. So, with the threads closed, the information to make an informed decision on visiting the provider in question is there, but the drama is not.

Now, if you all would rather I leave such threads open and let them go where they may even if it means deteriorating to pointless useless drama. Well hell, if the majority of you wish, I am willing to experiment with that method. However, I will close the threads if they become hopelessly derailed or accumulate too many rules violations.

So, what say you all?

Keep locking them. If it makes the whiny pansies upset, as it clearly does, keep doing it.

Yes Woody, I am quite aware of that discussion and with that in mind I offer an experiment. Now, I will get to that in a minute.

First, to address the threads Whispers has referenced... I hope you are ready for the list I am preparing! You've been busy!

When reviews are disputed, the provider is allowed to tell her side by starting a thread in Coed. Once that is done, both parties have been heard from. At that point I closed both threads for two reasons. First, the members can glean what they want from both threads and can make up their own minds about who to believe and whether the provider is someone they want to visit. Second, it prevents either thread from becoming places for pointless bickering between the hobbyist, the provider and any white knights. Such bickering, although entertaining to some, is helpful to no one. When threads deteriorate to that point nothing new and relevant is posted. So, with the threads closed, the information to make an informed decision on visiting the provider in question is there, but the drama is not. But you also prevent any additional information coming to the table as the result of the thread remaining open.... How many times over the years in a review a guy rights something negative the Wks jump to her defence..... and then... just when it looks pretty bad for the OP... some guy pipes in... Ya know... that happened to me as well..... and then a 3rd.... When a thread is left open it allows others to come forward when they can.

Now, if you all would rather I leave such threads open and let them go where they may even if it means deteriorating to pointless useless drama. Once again... Where is there guidelines defining drama so narrwly.... Ths review please... Where is the drama IN the review?... Well hell, if the majority of you wish, I am willing to experiment with that method. However, I will close the threads if they become hopelessly derailed or accumulate too many rules violations.

So, what say you all? Originally Posted by Mokoa

I would suggest you ask Admin and the owners Mokoa. I think both you and JJ need to be refreshed on what the guidelines mean. I think an administrative review of threads you have locked would result in quite an adjustment to the narrow vision you seem to display.

If you have a Review thread with 40 responses that is nothing but bickering for days then perhaps it gets locked. But this thread had 8 posts between the first and your locking.... And it is HIS review and NOTHING in the review was inaccurate.... I read both sides and NOTHING seemed too hot and ugly.....

You are locking the threads way too soon.

Then again....

letting a thread go means YOU need to be a Moderator.....

You need to watch the thread

You need to post to the thread yourself when things go south,

You might need to issue some points or warnings.....

the LAST thing You should do is lock the thread.......

Naturally none of us can see your work in regards to issuing warnings or points..... we can see a heck of a lot of locked threads and many have ONE post from you in the, and THAT is the comments you make when you lock the thread.

Locking certainly requires little effort on your part.

Locking is cutting it off often BEFORE there is a problem.

If you do not WANT to Moderate the Boards... See if they will let stay on as Chief Sorter so you can move things around.... Seems to be a favorite past time....

If a thread gets locked it sure as hell should have generated a few warnings, a few points, have a mod statement in there trying to get control and be locked after nothing else works....

Of course there are safety related threads that do need to be locked immediately. This is in reference threads that have other issues....

Based on YOUR Logic Mokoa..... EVERY thread I start you should lock. You KNOW that almost every thread I start is going to involve drama whether it is meant to or not.... Locking them as I open them would surely reduce the drama.

That seems to be the logic you are claiming to use.

I'm sure you would love to do exactly that.

Keep locking them. If it makes the whiny pansies upset, as it clearly does, keep doing it. Originally Posted by CrimsonValkyrie

It will guarantee the "whiny pansies" remain involved and grow in numbers..... maybe you should rethink what you want?

Mokoa,

There are no rules against drama.

There are no rules against bickering.

Both exist in the everyday world within any community.

You are treating this community like children and as we are showing.... THEY do not even KNOW it.

Who trained JJ?

As I recall you were a Mod a day or two when you locked a thread and we had a discussion about it via PM. Seems you simply love to take away peopl'e right to converse when YOU decide it's too much.

YOU have been the subject of as many snide remarks as I am sure I have over the last couple of years. Why? You are like me.... You piss people off. Problem with you is they are afraid of you so most suffer in silence.... Me.. they don't know what to do so they break down and call me names... like the children you create.....

There are no shortage of people here that use that whole "God" theme in regards to describing your moderation of this community....

Holly Shit you must be kidding me!?

Keep locking them. If it makes the whiny pansies upset, as it clearly does, keep doing it. Originally Posted by CrimsonValkyrie

You're so clueless, if you think a locking of thead is going to make us mad, your in for one hell of a surprise, but I have a feeling your not at that level yet, hang on, hang on, both hands now sonni.

BTW, I asked Tracy to hook up with you, have you contacted her yet, do you need me to fund you session?

Your acting like a guy with blue balls, or some one that spilled Turpentine on them balls of yours, Ouch I bet that burns, no wonder your so grumpy.

Really I would like to see you provide more of a debate on your grumpiest, right now you are only sounding like a ole fart with a limp dick, prove me wrong speak up and make an argument why you want to be governed and censored. Once again, as repeated numerous times over THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. It's ok, just push up on the lid upward, ah see the light?

Originally Posted by Woody of TX
I personally wonder if Mokoa (SA God Moderator) has gotten the word on not locking threADs or Threads because the OP has requested it, I know that JJ posted the following: After discussing with upper staff it now that no thread will be locked in the future just because the OP request, it will be allowed to continue or die on its own.

Yes Woody, I am quite aware of that discussion and with that in mind I offer an experiment. Now, I will get to that in a minute.

Thank you for taking time out of your day to reply back to the community here in SA, I personally appreciate and welcome your explanations on your methods of Moderation of the SA Forum which seems to be moderated totally exclusive of all the other city forums.

First, to address the threads Whispers has referenced...

When reviews are disputed, the provider is allowed to tell her side by starting a thread in Coed. Once that is done, both parties have been heard from. At that point I closed both threads for two reasons. First, the members can glean what they want from both threads and can make up their own minds about who to believe and whether the provider is someone they want to visit. Second, it prevents either thread from becoming places for pointless bickering between the hobbyist, the provider and any white knights. Such bickering, although entertaining to some, is helpful to no one. When threads deteriorate to that point nothing new and relevant is posted. So, with the threads closed, the information to make an informed decision on visiting the provider in question is there, but the drama is not.

NO DRAMA, you right on that, because you have shut down all communication of future data coming in from others that might be doing other task besides posting or monitoring ECCIE board. As Whisper mentioned CLOSED in eight postings, so just how do others that might be busy with real life task, capable of posting on the subject? (“oh hell I had something to say, shit it’s already closed”)

If there is no DANGER to either party then the thread should be NOT lock at any time, regardless if the in-coming information is useful or not. I have a little more respect (thou many here might not believe so) for our membership here than what seems you have for them , as I mentioned in another thread that I expect the people here are not only general great wonderful people, but also probably are quite smart and capable of weeding out the none important data and capable of capturing the important data that will enable them to make an informative decision on the provider or whatever the topic is. I don’t see where you or any moderator has the right to make the decisions of the membership.

Now, if you all would rather I leave such threads open (YES) and let them go where they may even if it means deteriorating to pointless useless drama.

You’re opinion only, but leaving open seems to work in other city forums, are you saying that those forums are worthless and useless? Pretty sure that other forums especially Austin, Dallas and Houston will be differ with you.

Well hell, if the majority of you wish, I am willing to experiment with that method.

Agree that you should talk one on one with the owners and the upper admins of the site, after all they are the designers of ECCIE, and know the guideline rules and true meaning of such. I request that you remember who’s board that this is, the owners and the general membership, not Mokoa’s.

However, I will close the threads if they become hopelessly derailed or accumulate too many rules violations.

Only DANGER EVENTS and Rule Violations but only after you have pointed some one numerous times and made public warning to the membership that is posting to the thread. Explanations (good) go along way with people, after all we are not stupid here.

So, what say you all? Originally Posted by Mokoa

Keep in mind the general membership is still scare of the consequences that you have done in the past years, prove us wrong, I challenge you to run the SA forum as the moderators do in the other mention cities of Austin, Dallas, and Houston. Think just how much easier your thankful less job will be.

I ask of you to think of others, not only on what you think is right, pretty damn sure that I and others here are very well capable of making an informative decision, especially when it involves my/their monies, as you know all of this is about Pussy and Money.

So what do YOU (MOKOA) say?
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BTW, I asked Tracy to hook up with you, have you contacted her yet, do you need me to fund you session? Originally Posted by Woody of TX

Hell, if you are funding sessions with Tracy, put me on that list!

As for closing threads I have mixed emotions. I know that Mokoa has closed threads to reduce drama. While I believe his motive is honorable, closing the threads might not be the best solution. I say that with some reservation since I know that he has done so on a couple of occasions where a friend of mine benefited from his action. Was he wrong, I guess that will depend on your perspective but I do think the best answer is a consistent policy that everyone follows.

Hell, if you are funding sessions with Tracy, put me on that list! Originally Posted by Laz

Only those with blue balls or Turpentine washed.....

Only those with blue balls or Turpentine washed..... Originally Posted by Woody of TX

Great! My balls definitely qualify.

Great! My balls definitely qualify. Originally Posted by Laz

Just for the record, several years ago I did indeed fund a guy out of Austin that now is in Dallas, can't remember the total reason why but it was fun, we laid odds on exactly what would happen and most of us were right, I think that this provider out of Dallas was coming into Austin and wasn't getting any business and was sort of lashing out at the community, one thing lead to another and somehow I ended up funding the session, to tell the truth I really don't remember the full details, but we had fun with it.

LAZ TMI on the blue balls now.......

Just for the record, several years ago I did indeed fund a guy out of Austin that now is in Dallas, can't remember the total reason why but it was fun, we laid odds on exactly what would happen and most of us were right, I think that this provider out of Dallas was coming into Austin and wasn't getting any business and was sort of lashing out at the community, one thing lead to another and somehow I ended up funding the session, to tell the truth I really don't remember the full details, but we had fun with it.

LAZ TMI on the blue balls now....... Originally Posted by Woody of TX

I knew you guys were all talk.